I agree Allen, if only Spiller was as talented as Charles, Rice, and McCoy. I don't know, maybe I'm missing something some of you Spiller supporters see?Misfit74 wrote:He shouldn't carry it (i.e. rush) 25 times, but he should get 20-25 touches. Big difference. Very few backs can consistently handle 25 carries and Spiller is deadly in the passing game. His workload should be similar to Charles, R.Rice, and McCoy, IMO.Steelersfan wrote:Bills coach Chan Gailey reiterated Tuesday that he would prefer to not let C.J. Spiller amass 25-plus carries a game.
"He’s not a 215-, 220-pound back like Fred (Jackson)," said Gailey. "You can’t expect him to be one, and if all his runs are edge runs, he might can be 25 times. But if he’s going to run it up inside, which we need him to do, he’s going to take some pretty good licks and I’m not sure I want that at this point in his career. Maybe in the future, yeah, but not now." The good news is that Spiller can compensate for modest carry totals with receiving production. He's playing well enough to be a quality RB2/flex in fantasy title week. Rotoworld
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Agree, while he has looked good for a few games there are plenty of others where he disappeared. Spiller is one of those that the seller won't get the value he wants and the buyer will be shocked at the price.Steelersfan wrote:Spiller had a nice game, the 2nd one this season...as for those people that were "throwing dirt" and to the others that are saying I told you so I still think it's too early to be on either of those sides. I'm cautiously optimistic at this point...
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Re: for all those who were throwing Dirt on Spiller this sea
Well, it took significant time before Charles emerged after being drafted. McCoy didn't impress me all that much his rookie season. Ray Rice's rookie season was nothing to write home about. I think backs of this type - the versatile types like the three I mentioned take time to acclimate their bodies and train in order to gain that extra toughness and strength/conditioning; learn the nuances of NFL passing-games; and most certainly prove they can protect their QBs in pass-protection. Few backs come in right away able to play a lot because they have to be able to protect their QBs (in this pass-oriented modern-day NFL) and the thinner, speed-back, pass-catching types can take a bit longer learn all the plays; be able to execute all the plays of such a role; and to be physically ready for that role on a regular basis.
Obviously, all players take time to get acclimated to the NFL and players that garner huge workloads or every-down back roles have to be prepared and that can take some time. Spiller is blossoming more and more and I love his dynamic ability. He is every bit the home-run hitter I expected him to be and is learning his craft and gaining valuable experience due to Fred Jackson going down.
Spiller, as I continue to state over and over again, is an elite talent. Now, he's gaining the skill to go with it.
Obviously, all players take time to get acclimated to the NFL and players that garner huge workloads or every-down back roles have to be prepared and that can take some time. Spiller is blossoming more and more and I love his dynamic ability. He is every bit the home-run hitter I expected him to be and is learning his craft and gaining valuable experience due to Fred Jackson going down.
Spiller, as I continue to state over and over again, is an elite talent. Now, he's gaining the skill to go with it.
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he through dirt on me in one league... the one that i care about the most too... ugh... i got crushed by a combo of CJ Spiller, Brent Celek and the Seahawks defense... if you had told me in september that my team with Mike Vick, CJ2K, Megatron and Antonio Gates would face an opponent in the first round of the playoffs who's highest scorers were Spiller, Celek and The Seahawks D? I'd have fallen over laughing and already punched my ticket to the championship game.
i think i hate spiller now even more than before... this time? it was personal.
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Re: for all those who were throwing Dirt on Spiller this sea
Think Jahvid Best with more talent and lower injury risk.Steelersfan wrote:I agree Allen, if only Spiller was as talented as Charles, Rice, and McCoy. I don't know, maybe I'm missing something some of you Spiller supporters see?Misfit74 wrote:He shouldn't carry it (i.e. rush) 25 times, but he should get 20-25 touches. Big difference. Very few backs can consistently handle 25 carries and Spiller is deadly in the passing game. His workload should be similar to Charles, R.Rice, and McCoy, IMO.Steelersfan wrote:Bills coach Chan Gailey reiterated Tuesday that he would prefer to not let C.J. Spiller amass 25-plus carries a game.
"He’s not a 215-, 220-pound back like Fred (Jackson)," said Gailey. "You can’t expect him to be one, and if all his runs are edge runs, he might can be 25 times. But if he’s going to run it up inside, which we need him to do, he’s going to take some pretty good licks and I’m not sure I want that at this point in his career. Maybe in the future, yeah, but not now." The good news is that Spiller can compensate for modest carry totals with receiving production. He's playing well enough to be a quality RB2/flex in fantasy title week. Rotoworld
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i am very disappointed that choice goes in for spiller every time they get inside the 10. getting few red zone looks greatly limits spiller's upside.
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But his 111 rushing 27 receiving and a td performance makes me feel good about his upside. I never really thought he was a goal line back, but i imagine he'll be used in passing downs in the red zone quite a bit.
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Re: for all those who were throwing Dirt on Spiller this sea
The cream will rise to the top. Choice was ineffective in Dallas and has shown nothing in Buffalo either. Now that Spiller is getting the opportunities, he is capitalizing as should be expected. The coaching staff will ultimately come around completely and give him every down opportunities goal line to goal line.Guppy CEO wrote:i am very disappointed that choice goes in for spiller every time they get inside the 10. getting few red zone looks greatly limits spiller's upside.
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This is gonna make for an intersting backfield next year. The bills are now sure that they have two very productive RB's. Perhaps Jackson's last year in Buffalo will be 2012, and after that they'll let him walk.
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Re: for all those who were throwing Dirt on Spiller this sea
With Jackson coming off a broken leg at the age of 31, I doubt he will be the effective runner we saw early this season. Spiller should be expected to be the primary ball carrier. The question will be there as to who will get the goal line duties but otherwise the torch has likely passed.seahawks506 wrote:This is gonna make for an intersting backfield next year. The bills are now sure that they have two very productive RB's. Perhaps Jackson's last year in Buffalo will be 2012, and after that they'll let him walk.
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I'm not sold on Spiller but always thought the hate was stupid. He played a couple of games at the start of last year when the offense was a distaster. Then Jackson played great and Spiller couldn't get on the field. I never understood how people could write him off after that.skip wrote:With Jackson coming off a broken leg at the age of 31, I doubt he will be the effective runner we saw early this season. Spiller should be expected to be the primary ball carrier. The question will be there as to who will get the goal line duties but otherwise the torch has likely passed.seahawks506 wrote:This is gonna make for an intersting backfield next year. The bills are now sure that they have two very productive RB's. Perhaps Jackson's last year in Buffalo will be 2012, and after that they'll let him walk.
I'm a little more concerned about Fred Jackson splitting carries next year but time will tell.
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Not gonna lie, I was a huge fan of Spiller coming out but after watching him in Buffalo he didn't impress me at all and I got off the boat and completely forgot about him. Stayed away in start ups or trades. Now I want to go after him because while you can't get him for free it won't cost you any viable fantasy starter next year I don't think and he's a pretty good gamble for a breakout season next year. He was a stud at Clemson, I just hope Buffalo drafts a QB because Fitz drags the offense down at the end of the year consistently.
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The time to get him on the cheap was prior to Fred Jackson's injury and even then most of the Spiller owners were believers and he didn't come at a low price. After he has shown what he can do, you are going to have to pay the price of a top 10-15 RB to get him.Chris_R wrote: Now I want to go after him because while you can't get him for free it won't cost you any viable fantasy starter next year I don't think and he's a pretty good gamble for a breakout season next year.
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skip wrote:The time to get him on the cheap was prior to Fred Jackson's injury and even then most of the Spiller owners were believers and he didn't come at a low price. After he has shown what he can do, you are going to have to pay the price of a top 10-15 RB to get him.Chris_R wrote: Now I want to go after him because while you can't get him for free it won't cost you any viable fantasy starter next year I don't think and he's a pretty good gamble for a breakout season next year.
I don't think he's played long enough that not everyone won't think it wasn't a fluke, or wonder how the carries will be spread with Fred Jackson returning. I'm not saying that he isn't ready to take off, just that I don't think it's been long enough to make everyone think of him as a sure thing next year.
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Re: for all those who were throwing Dirt on Spiller this sea
I will admit I have been on the opposite of the coin with this. Comparing him tot Best, and Charles are accurate....but look where both of those RB's are right now...Spiller is not as big as McCoy or Rice. Meaning he most likely is not capable of handling as much of a workload as they are - i.e. Best and Charles. Though I was on the other side of the coin, I always thought CJ Spiller was talented, and would be productive but he is not someone I'd rely on as anything more than a low end RB2-3. He put up solid numbers but like stated before in other games he has completely disappeared. Im not confident that they will ever build the offensive mentality around him....Im more sure that they will always look for another RB to compliment his skill set. Thats where my skepticism comes in, not in his abilities.
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