Valuation on Will Levis in SF
Valuation on Will Levis in SF
In a 12 team SF format, where do you think Levis should be valued at the moment?
Re: Valuation on Will Levis in SF
I think 1.09-1.12 is the right range. I’m definitely taking Williams, Daniels, Maye, and McCarthy over him.
Nix/Penix…I could probably be swayed either way. Wasn’t really a fan of them coming in, but their draft capital is hard for me to ignore.
For me personally, it mostly comes down to the security those 6 should have for a few years. If Levis falters this year, he may be replaced as soon as next year.
Though if someone really believes in Levis, I don’t blame them valuing closer to the 1.09.
Nix/Penix…I could probably be swayed either way. Wasn’t really a fan of them coming in, but their draft capital is hard for me to ignore.
For me personally, it mostly comes down to the security those 6 should have for a few years. If Levis falters this year, he may be replaced as soon as next year.
Though if someone really believes in Levis, I don’t blame them valuing closer to the 1.09.
Re: Valuation on Will Levis in SF
Late first. I'm buying all day long if I can do so for the 2.01 or later.
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Re: Valuation on Will Levis in SF
2nd at best. idk if people just havent looked at a draft board yet or what but nobody should be paying a first imo with the talents and depth in this class
taking all 6 qb over him, taking bowers, taking the big 3 wr, taking mcconkey, worthy, and prob BTJ over him but thats about the line so 2.01-2.3 is where i voted
taking all 6 qb over him, taking bowers, taking the big 3 wr, taking mcconkey, worthy, and prob BTJ over him but thats about the line so 2.01-2.3 is where i voted
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team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
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Re: Valuation on Will Levis in SF
Much higher than anything here. Levis didn't ball out his rookie year. And he flashed with limited weapons. I can't predict that he'll be a stud (we had more confidence in guys like Herbert and Stroud after their rookie years). At the same time, I have no reason to suspect he'll be a dud (we have less confidence in guys like O'Connell and Young, IMO).
Put another way: he hasn't done anything yet to make me really nervous. And they've build the team around him really well. I'd certainly take Caleb Williams ahead of him, and fantasy favors running QBs, making Daniels an upside play. But I don't have a definite reason to put any other rookie QB before him.
By value, Maye will go before Levis. I'm not sure I'd do that. And I have no reason to absolutely put McCarthy, Penix, or Nix ahead of him.
TL;DR -- I value Levis around Maye. Even if that's too high, he's above the McCarthy, Penix, Nix tier for me and, at worst, in it. Which means a late 1st in a 12-team league is waaaaaaay too late for him.
Put another way: he hasn't done anything yet to make me really nervous. And they've build the team around him really well. I'd certainly take Caleb Williams ahead of him, and fantasy favors running QBs, making Daniels an upside play. But I don't have a definite reason to put any other rookie QB before him.
By value, Maye will go before Levis. I'm not sure I'd do that. And I have no reason to absolutely put McCarthy, Penix, or Nix ahead of him.
TL;DR -- I value Levis around Maye. Even if that's too high, he's above the McCarthy, Penix, Nix tier for me and, at worst, in it. Which means a late 1st in a 12-team league is waaaaaaay too late for him.
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball
QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble
2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th
12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball
QB: Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Brooks ('27), Wright ('27), Guerendo ('26), Mitchell ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), Nabers ('28), Worthy ('28), Polk ('28), Franklin ('28), E Moore ('25), M Thomas ('25), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $201
IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): Sinnott ('28), All ('28), Schrader ('26), A Reed ('28)
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball
QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble
2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th
12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball
QB: Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Brooks ('27), Wright ('27), Guerendo ('26), Mitchell ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), Nabers ('28), Worthy ('28), Polk ('28), Franklin ('28), E Moore ('25), M Thomas ('25), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $201
IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): Sinnott ('28), All ('28), Schrader ('26), A Reed ('28)
Re: Valuation on Will Levis in SF
If I could get a young starting QB for an early second I do that all day. I think his value is a later 1st.
Main Home League
12 Team 1 QB PPR
-Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE and 2 Flex
QB: Anthony Richardson, Sam Darnold, Drake Maye, Bo Nix and Penix.
RB: Bucky Irving, Will Shipley, Deuce Vaughn, CPatt, Justice Hill and McBride
WR: Justin Jefferson, ARSB, Olave, Nico Collins, Malik Nabers, Tyquan Thornton, Marvin Mims, DeMario Douglas, Calvin Austin, DJ Chark,
TE: McBride, Dulcich, Woods, Hudson and Schoonmaker
Draft Picks
-3 25 1sts, 2 25 2nd, 3 25 3rds and 3 25 4ths
-2 26 1sts, 2 26 2nds, 1 26 3rd, and1 26 4th
2022 Champions in full rebuild. Looking to contend again in 2025.
12 Team 1 QB PPR
-Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE and 2 Flex
QB: Anthony Richardson, Sam Darnold, Drake Maye, Bo Nix and Penix.
RB: Bucky Irving, Will Shipley, Deuce Vaughn, CPatt, Justice Hill and McBride
WR: Justin Jefferson, ARSB, Olave, Nico Collins, Malik Nabers, Tyquan Thornton, Marvin Mims, DeMario Douglas, Calvin Austin, DJ Chark,
TE: McBride, Dulcich, Woods, Hudson and Schoonmaker
Draft Picks
-3 25 1sts, 2 25 2nd, 3 25 3rds and 3 25 4ths
-2 26 1sts, 2 26 2nds, 1 26 3rd, and1 26 4th
2022 Champions in full rebuild. Looking to contend again in 2025.
Re: Valuation on Will Levis in SF
agreed !moishetreats wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:19 am Much higher than anything here. Levis didn't ball out his rookie year. And he flashed with limited weapons. I can't predict that he'll be a stud (we had more confidence in guys like Herbert and Stroud after their rookie years). At the same time, I have no reason to suspect he'll be a dud (we have less confidence in guys like O'Connell and Young, IMO).
Put another way: he hasn't done anything yet to make me really nervous. And they've build the team around him really well. I'd certainly take Caleb Williams ahead of him, and fantasy favors running QBs, making Daniels an upside play. But I don't have a definite reason to put any other rookie QB before him.
By value, Maye will go before Levis. I'm not sure I'd do that. And I have no reason to absolutely put McCarthy, Penix, or Nix ahead of him.
TL;DR -- I value Levis around Maye. Even if that's too high, he's above the McCarthy, Penix, Nix tier for me and, at worst, in it. Which means a late 1st in a 12-team league is waaaaaaay too late for him.
16 teamer
QB T Law, R Wilson
rb- Mixon,pollard, J Hill, conner,
WR-Chase,Lamb,T Hill, R Bateman, C sutton, boyd
Te Kelce, Waller, Fant,Evertt,
1qb,2-3rb,3-5wr,1-2 TE
Full IDP
Team 2 recent rod 16 team SF/TEP(2pt PPR) 1-2 QB, 2-3 RB, 3-5 wrs and 1-2 TE full IDP.
QB A rod, M willis and H Hooker
rb not squat T Bigsby, Chris R, Z evans. J kelly, C patterson, and J mcluaghlin.
WRs chase, J Addison, T McLaurin, C ridgley , A Losivas, M hollins
TE Kelce, D Belligner, T Conklin
QB T Law, R Wilson
rb- Mixon,pollard, J Hill, conner,
WR-Chase,Lamb,T Hill, R Bateman, C sutton, boyd
Te Kelce, Waller, Fant,Evertt,
1qb,2-3rb,3-5wr,1-2 TE
Full IDP
Team 2 recent rod 16 team SF/TEP(2pt PPR) 1-2 QB, 2-3 RB, 3-5 wrs and 1-2 TE full IDP.
QB A rod, M willis and H Hooker
rb not squat T Bigsby, Chris R, Z evans. J kelly, C patterson, and J mcluaghlin.
WRs chase, J Addison, T McLaurin, C ridgley , A Losivas, M hollins
TE Kelce, D Belligner, T Conklin
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Re: Valuation on Will Levis in SF
im so far polar opposite of this take its remarkable haha. aside from his first ever game where he lofted 3 bombs to hopkins what did he show you? AOC even had a 4td game and multiple other games with 2 td passes. and the guy went 2nd round idk how you have any way to say hes above dudes that just went top 12 in a loaded class. had he shown a ton i could get that argument but he doesnt have capital or a strong rookie year to elevate him so what does?moishetreats wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:19 am Much higher than anything here. Levis didn't ball out his rookie year. And he flashed with limited weapons. I can't predict that he'll be a stud (we had more confidence in guys like Herbert and Stroud after their rookie years). At the same time, I have no reason to suspect he'll be a dud (we have less confidence in guys like O'Connell and Young, IMO).
Put another way: he hasn't done anything yet to make me really nervous. And they've build the team around him really well. I'd certainly take Caleb Williams ahead of him, and fantasy favors running QBs, making Daniels an upside play. But I don't have a definite reason to put any other rookie QB before him.
By value, Maye will go before Levis. I'm not sure I'd do that. And I have no reason to absolutely put McCarthy, Penix, or Nix ahead of him.
TL;DR -- I value Levis around Maye. Even if that's too high, he's above the McCarthy, Penix, Nix tier for me and, at worst, in it. Which means a late 1st in a 12-team league is waaaaaaay too late for him.
i also own some levis so im not like a biased hater haha
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
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Re: Valuation on Will Levis in SF
There's absolute correlation between draft capitol and NFL success and, in particular, with early-round 1st-round QBs. I agree with you there. Hard stop.BigBawseRoss wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:19 amim so far polar opposite of this take its remarkable haha. aside from his first ever game where he lofted 3 bombs to hopkins what did he show you? AOC even had a 4td game and multiple other games with 2 td passes. and the guy went 2nd round idk how you have any way to say hes above dudes that just went top 12 in a loaded class. had he shown a ton i could get that argument but he doesnt have capital or a strong rookie year to elevate him so what does?moishetreats wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:19 am Much higher than anything here. Levis didn't ball out his rookie year. And he flashed with limited weapons. I can't predict that he'll be a stud (we had more confidence in guys like Herbert and Stroud after their rookie years). At the same time, I have no reason to suspect he'll be a dud (we have less confidence in guys like O'Connell and Young, IMO).
Put another way: he hasn't done anything yet to make me really nervous. And they've build the team around him really well. I'd certainly take Caleb Williams ahead of him, and fantasy favors running QBs, making Daniels an upside play. But I don't have a definite reason to put any other rookie QB before him.
By value, Maye will go before Levis. I'm not sure I'd do that. And I have no reason to absolutely put McCarthy, Penix, or Nix ahead of him.
TL;DR -- I value Levis around Maye. Even if that's too high, he's above the McCarthy, Penix, Nix tier for me and, at worst, in it. Which means a late 1st in a 12-team league is waaaaaaay too late for him.
i also own some levis so im not like a biased hater haha
I'll also note that never before have 6 QBs gone this early. It's possible all six are worthy top-12 picks. It's also possible that there were just a slew of anomalous factors that, in the aggregate, caused a huge rise in QB draft value in 2024. Put another way: if it were Levis coming out in 2024 instead of McCarthy, Penix, or Nix, I be he'd have been a top-12 pick this year. There's obviously more to unpack and a lot of speculation, and the fact remains that Levis is a 2nd-round QB and all the guys this year are top-12. I'm very open to an asterisk by what happened in 2024, though, and still not sure that Levis as a rookie prospect is much different that four of the six guys drafted so early this year.
Hypothetical: Let's say Minnesota and Tennessee swapped McCarthy for Levis. Who would you prefer? Same with Penix, same with Nix. Same with Maye. I'm really curious!
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball
QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble
2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th
12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball
QB: Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Brooks ('27), Wright ('27), Guerendo ('26), Mitchell ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), Nabers ('28), Worthy ('28), Polk ('28), Franklin ('28), E Moore ('25), M Thomas ('25), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $201
IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): Sinnott ('28), All ('28), Schrader ('26), A Reed ('28)
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball
QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble
2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th
12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball
QB: Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Brooks ('27), Wright ('27), Guerendo ('26), Mitchell ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), Nabers ('28), Worthy ('28), Polk ('28), Franklin ('28), E Moore ('25), M Thomas ('25), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $201
IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): Sinnott ('28), All ('28), Schrader ('26), A Reed ('28)
Re: Valuation on Will Levis in SF
Certainly a backend first. I really hope it works out for Levis. Not just for the player but also TStafford so he has piece of mind.
Team 1
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
Re: Valuation on Will Levis in SF
The Titans will do what they do - win enough games to ensure they don't get a premium pick and knock off some good teams in doing so. Levis will be just fine.
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