Offer for Puka

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Re: Offer for Puka

Postby MacDaddy123 » Mon Apr 29, 2024 4:33 pm

tstafford wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 1:36 am Post this one in the Bad Trade Offers thread.
Yeah, this offer doesn't require it's own thread. lol

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Re: Offer for Puka

Postby Straycatz2 » Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:44 pm

wickerkat1212 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:08 pm
He's obviously very good. What I'm slightly worried about is if Stafford is indeed a king-maker here, and how long Stafford will play. He put up elite stats, he's got what it takes for sure. Stafford is 36. He says he has no plans to retire, so barring injury, does he make it to 40? Rodgers is 40. Four more years of elite Puka? And then hopefully he's still good with whoever is next.
I wonder why people don't hold GWilson in the same regard? We already know what his stats look like with no Rodgers and that may come soon as well.

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Re: Offer for Puka

Postby wickerkat1212 » Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:07 pm

Straycatz2 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:44 pm
wickerkat1212 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:08 pm
He's obviously very good. What I'm slightly worried about is if Stafford is indeed a king-maker here, and how long Stafford will play. He put up elite stats, he's got what it takes for sure. Stafford is 36. He says he has no plans to retire, so barring injury, does he make it to 40? Rodgers is 40. Four more years of elite Puka? And then hopefully he's still good with whoever is next.
I wonder why people don't hold GWilson in the same regard? We already know what his stats look like with no Rodgers and that may come soon as well.
Stafford is the only guy in recent memory I've seen who has been called a king-maker. It's crazy.

https://twitter.com/adamlevitan/status/ ... 4831067549

Matthew Stafford remains the WR kingmaker. Been behind:

1. Best WR season ever (Cooper Kupp, 2021)
2. Second-best WR season ever (Calvin Johnson, 2012)
3. Kenny Golladay top-10 WR (2018, 2019)
4. Golden Tate 1300-yard season (2014)
5. Marvin Jones three 9-TD seasons (2017, 2019, 2020)
6. Tutu Atwell (5'9/165) winning at NFL level (2023)
7. Puka Nacua best fantasy WR in NFL (2023)
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, BENSON (R), Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, POLK (R), CORLEY (R), COWING (R), Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, TJOHNSON (R), Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, RATTLER (R) RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Mostert, BRob, ESTIME (R) WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Lockett, Myers, COWING (R), MWASHINGTON (R) TE—Kmet, Kraft, SANDERS (R), Conklin, Hurst PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: MAYE (R), Goff, Cousins, PENIX (R), Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: HARRISON (R), DJM, Higgins, JSN, BTHOMAS (R), Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, DPJ, Devante TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Offer for Puka

Postby Anteaters » Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:26 am

wickerkat1212 wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:04 pmGuy keeps trying for Puka.

Latest offer...this is still bad, right?

He gives—2025 1st (he came in 11th this year) + BCooks WR + RWilson
I give—Puka and ZWhite
An offer like that tells me the other guy is NOT trying for Puka. He's just gaming you.
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WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
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Re: Offer for Puka

Postby wickerkat1212 » Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:51 am

Anteaters wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:26 am
wickerkat1212 wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:04 pmGuy keeps trying for Puka.

Latest offer...this is still bad, right?

He gives—2025 1st (he came in 11th this year) + BCooks WR + RWilson
I give—Puka and ZWhite
An offer like that tells me the other guy is NOT trying for Puka. He's just gaming you.
His evaluations are WAY OFF compared to mine. He does this all the time. And then will say, "Ah, I don't use those stupid calculators, I just use my gut." And then I'll get a great offer and snap accept. Who knows. He's of the mindset that I only paid a 4th rounder for Puka so I shouldn't get a 1st in return LOL.
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, BENSON (R), Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, POLK (R), CORLEY (R), COWING (R), Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, TJOHNSON (R), Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, RATTLER (R) RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Mostert, BRob, ESTIME (R) WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Lockett, Myers, COWING (R), MWASHINGTON (R) TE—Kmet, Kraft, SANDERS (R), Conklin, Hurst PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: MAYE (R), Goff, Cousins, PENIX (R), Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: HARRISON (R), DJM, Higgins, JSN, BTHOMAS (R), Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, DPJ, Devante TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Offer for Puka

Postby Tvols » Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:25 am

wickerkat1212 wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:51 am
Anteaters wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:26 am
wickerkat1212 wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:04 pmGuy keeps trying for Puka.

Latest offer...this is still bad, right?

He gives—2025 1st (he came in 11th this year) + BCooks WR + RWilson
I give—Puka and ZWhite
An offer like that tells me the other guy is NOT trying for Puka. He's just gaming you.
His evaluations are WAY OFF compared to mine. He does this all the time. And then will say, "Ah, I don't use those stupid calculators, I just use my gut." And then I'll get a great offer and snap accept. Who knows. He's of the mindset that I only paid a 4th rounder for Puka so I shouldn't get a 1st in return LOL.
well just tell him to pound sand then LOL.
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QB T Law, R Wilson
rb- Mixon,pollard, J Hill, conner,
WR-Chase,Lamb,T Hill, R Bateman, C sutton, boyd
Te Kelce, Waller, Fant,Evertt,
1qb,2-3rb,3-5wr,1-2 TE
Full IDP

Team 2 recent rod 16 team SF/TEP(2pt PPR) 1-2 QB, 2-3 RB, 3-5 wrs and 1-2 TE full IDP.
QB A rod, M willis and H Hooker
rb not squat T Bigsby, Chris R, Z evans. J kelly, C patterson, and J mcluaghlin.
WRs chase, J Addison, T McLaurin, C ridgley , A Losivas, M hollins
TE Kelce, D Belligner, T Conklin

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Re: Offer for Puka

Postby wickerkat1212 » Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:38 am

Tvols wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:25 am
wickerkat1212 wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:51 am
Anteaters wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:26 am
An offer like that tells me the other guy is NOT trying for Puka. He's just gaming you.
His evaluations are WAY OFF compared to mine. He does this all the time. And then will say, "Ah, I don't use those stupid calculators, I just use my gut." And then I'll get a great offer and snap accept. Who knows. He's of the mindset that I only paid a 4th rounder for Puka so I shouldn't get a 1st in return LOL.
well just tell him to pound sand then LOL.
LOL. Some of the owners aren't active, and some never trade unless they win big, so he's a good trading partner, he's just way off on his evaluations sometimes. It's not malicious, he's just...off. LOL
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, BENSON (R), Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, POLK (R), CORLEY (R), COWING (R), Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, TJOHNSON (R), Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, RATTLER (R) RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Mostert, BRob, ESTIME (R) WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Lockett, Myers, COWING (R), MWASHINGTON (R) TE—Kmet, Kraft, SANDERS (R), Conklin, Hurst PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: MAYE (R), Goff, Cousins, PENIX (R), Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: HARRISON (R), DJM, Higgins, JSN, BTHOMAS (R), Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, DPJ, Devante TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Offer for Puka

Postby Tvols » Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:15 am

wickerkat1212 wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:38 am
Tvols wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:25 am
wickerkat1212 wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:51 am

His evaluations are WAY OFF compared to mine. He does this all the time. And then will say, "Ah, I don't use those stupid calculators, I just use my gut." And then I'll get a great offer and snap accept. Who knows. He's of the mindset that I only paid a 4th rounder for Puka so I shouldn't get a 1st in return LOL.
well just tell him to pound sand then LOL.
LOL. Some of the owners aren't active, and some never trade unless they win big, so he's a good trading partner, he's just way off on his evaluations sometimes. It's not malicious, he's just...off. LOL
pounding sand can be fun too hahahaha.
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QB T Law, R Wilson
rb- Mixon,pollard, J Hill, conner,
WR-Chase,Lamb,T Hill, R Bateman, C sutton, boyd
Te Kelce, Waller, Fant,Evertt,
1qb,2-3rb,3-5wr,1-2 TE
Full IDP

Team 2 recent rod 16 team SF/TEP(2pt PPR) 1-2 QB, 2-3 RB, 3-5 wrs and 1-2 TE full IDP.
QB A rod, M willis and H Hooker
rb not squat T Bigsby, Chris R, Z evans. J kelly, C patterson, and J mcluaghlin.
WRs chase, J Addison, T McLaurin, C ridgley , A Losivas, M hollins
TE Kelce, D Belligner, T Conklin

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Re: Offer for Puka

Postby wickerkat1212 » Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:52 am

LOL
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, BENSON (R), Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, POLK (R), CORLEY (R), COWING (R), Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, TJOHNSON (R), Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, RATTLER (R) RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Mostert, BRob, ESTIME (R) WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Lockett, Myers, COWING (R), MWASHINGTON (R) TE—Kmet, Kraft, SANDERS (R), Conklin, Hurst PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: MAYE (R), Goff, Cousins, PENIX (R), Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: HARRISON (R), DJM, Higgins, JSN, BTHOMAS (R), Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, DPJ, Devante TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Offer for Puka

Postby Straycatz2 » Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:16 pm

wickerkat1212 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:07 pm
Stafford is the only guy in recent memory I've seen who has been called a king-maker.
I get that Stafford is called a king maker.

My question is more about Wilson in a similar situation of maybe loosing his QB later. GWilson has been outside top20 for 2 years and is ranked in top 8. So basically a good QB is already factored in his ranking and if Rodgers leaves he's could be back to outside top20 numbers. But ppl don't bring that up.

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Re: Offer for Puka

Postby wickerkat1212 » Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:22 pm

Straycatz2 wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:16 pm
wickerkat1212 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:07 pm
Stafford is the only guy in recent memory I've seen who has been called a king-maker.
I get that Stafford is called a king maker.

My question is more about Wilson in a similar situation of maybe loosing his QB later. GWilson has been outside top20 for 2 years and is ranked in top 8. So basically a good QB is already factored in his ranking and if Rodgers leaves he's could be back to outside top20 numbers. But ppl don't bring that up.
I'm not a big fan of Wilson so...
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, BENSON (R), Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, POLK (R), CORLEY (R), COWING (R), Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, TJOHNSON (R), Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, RATTLER (R) RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Mostert, BRob, ESTIME (R) WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Lockett, Myers, COWING (R), MWASHINGTON (R) TE—Kmet, Kraft, SANDERS (R), Conklin, Hurst PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: MAYE (R), Goff, Cousins, PENIX (R), Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: HARRISON (R), DJM, Higgins, JSN, BTHOMAS (R), Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, DPJ, Devante TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Offer for Puka

Postby Straycatz2 » Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:36 pm

wickerkat1212 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:08 pm
Matthew Stafford remains the WR kingmaker.
I guess here's a good stat, YPRR. This shows he was good before kingmaker as well and gives some hope he can also do it without him. Yes, cherry picking, but there's hope lol.

https://twitter.com/fball_insights/stat ... RGiHA&s=19

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Re: Offer for Puka

Postby wickerkat1212 » Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:10 pm

Straycatz2 wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:36 pm
wickerkat1212 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:08 pm
Matthew Stafford remains the WR kingmaker.
I guess here's a good stat, YPRR. This shows he was good before kingmaker as well and gives some hope he can also do it without him. Yes, cherry picking, but there's hope lol.

https://twitter.com/fball_insights/stat ... RGiHA&s=19
That's true, and was a STAT I wasn't into last year and totally missed. Good points here.
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, BENSON (R), Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, POLK (R), CORLEY (R), COWING (R), Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, TJOHNSON (R), Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, RATTLER (R) RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Mostert, BRob, ESTIME (R) WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Lockett, Myers, COWING (R), MWASHINGTON (R) TE—Kmet, Kraft, SANDERS (R), Conklin, Hurst PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: MAYE (R), Goff, Cousins, PENIX (R), Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: HARRISON (R), DJM, Higgins, JSN, BTHOMAS (R), Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, DPJ, Devante TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Offer for Puka

Postby Black Adam » Thu May 02, 2024 9:27 pm

CGW wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:20 am Lots of Puka hate going on here. His offer is garbage...Puka is worth way more than a late 2025 1st and ZWhite is worth more than Wilson and Cooks.

For your counter - Williams > Puka in SF. You may have to add more onto Puka to get that one done.
Prison_Mike wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 1:36 pm
CGW wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:20 am Lots of Puka hate going on here.
Yeah did not expect to read two posts that Puka is not good
I, for one, did not say he wasn't good. I said I don't like him. I just think he's extremely overrated.

Dude had 160 targets in an offense with nothing else at WR or TE last year and folks are crowning him the second coming.

GW was in a similar situation with (some of) the worst QB play in the NFL over the last 2 seasons and still managed to be OROY and post back-to-back 1k seasons.

If GW had Puka's level of QB play, I wonder what his stats would look like. Without Stafford in LA, what would Puka's numbers have looked like? :think:

Yeah, we'll just disagree on dude. :whistle:
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