Chase for 1.02 and Luke Musgrave

[murphysxm]

why wouldn't someone prefer Chase with Burrow over JJ with a bad QB? Is that odd? I don't think most experts would agree.

Penix and Nix are rated higher with Matt Waldman's scouting report, which is dependent on landing spots. But they are older, more experienced, more ready and have better existing metrics, and a lot of them to go by. QB's are a crap shoot anyway and if I am taking one I am fine to take a top position player who is more likely to hit and one late. I openly admit this goes against popular opinion, but don't care about that.

How about this. And I think this is all interesting as to early draft picks.

I was just offered 4 and 5 for 2 and 7. So Nabers and Bowers or Odenze and Maye/Daniels

I am as high on Chase as anybody and JJ has been a better pro. It doesn't matter who is throwing him the football. Most experts have JJ higher.

No offense, but blindly following one person's valuations is not a strategy I would recommend. Penix has a tremendous injury history and Bo Nix has been around so long he followed Jarrett Stidham as the starting QB at Auburn. Both have tools and limitations. QB's aren't a crap shoot, QB's like Nix and Penix that are drafted as the 4th or 5th QB off the board are a crapshoot.

[Mtt33]

why wouldn't someone prefer Chase with Burrow over JJ with a bad QB? Is that odd? I don't think most experts would agree.

Penix and Nix are rated higher with Matt Waldman's scouting report, which is dependent on landing spots. But they are older, more experienced, more ready and have better existing metrics, and a lot of them to go by. QB's are a crap shoot anyway and if I am taking one I am fine to take a top position player who is more likely to hit and one late. I openly admit this goes against popular opinion, but don't care about that.

How about this. And I think this is all interesting as to early draft picks.

I was just offered 4 and 5 for 2 and 7. So Nabers and Bowers or Odenze and Maye/Daniels

I am as high on Chase as anybody and JJ has been a better pro. It doesn't matter who is throwing him the football. Most experts have JJ higher.

No offense, but blindly following one person's valuations is not a strategy I would recommend. Penix has a tremendous injury history and Bo Nix has been around so long he followed Jarrett Stidham as the starting QB at Auburn. Both have tools and limitations. QB's aren't a crap shoot, QB's like Nix and Penix that are drafted as the 4th or 5th QB off the board are a crapshoot.

To add to this, while I like Waldman for skill positions, I’d absolutely take his qb evals with a grain of salt. Last year even post draft he ranked (where he’d draft them in dynasty) multiple 5th-7th rounders over Levis, which is simply insane just on opportunity and market value alone, even if you think levis sucks.
Use his evaluations but definitely don’t apply his rankings without factoring in adp. He has some good evals but clearly also goes for flare sometimes so he can advertise when things hit.

As stated above I’d recommend finding at least one more source you like (preferably 2 more) and mesh their rankings a bit and of course use adp to make sure you’re not reaching where you don’t have to for the guys you End up liking a lot.

[SoftwoodGrampian]

Highly inadvisable to make this trade to sell Chase

[wickerkat1212]

Chase

[HippieJuice]

why wouldn't someone prefer Chase with Burrow over JJ with a bad QB? Is that odd? I don't think most experts would agree.

Penix and Nix are rated higher with Matt Waldman's scouting report, which is dependent on landing spots. But they are older, more experienced, more ready and have better existing metrics, and a lot of them to go by. QB's are a crap shoot anyway and if I am taking one I am fine to take a top position player who is more likely to hit and one late. I openly admit this goes against popular opinion, but don't care about that.

How about this. And I think this is all interesting as to early draft picks.

I was just offered 4 and 5 for 2 and 7. So Nabers and Bowers or Odenze and Maye/Daniels

I am as high on Chase as anybody and JJ has been a better pro. It doesn't matter who is throwing him the football. Most experts have JJ higher.

No offense, but blindly following one person's valuations is not a strategy I would recommend. Penix has a tremendous injury history and Bo Nix has been around so long he followed Jarrett Stidham as the starting QB at Auburn. Both have tools and limitations. QB's aren't a crap shoot, QB's like Nix and Penix that are drafted as the 4th or 5th QB off the board are a crapshoot.

To add to this, while I like Waldman for skill positions, I’d absolutely take his qb evals with a grain of salt. Last year even post draft he ranked (where he’d draft them in dynasty) multiple 5th-7th rounders over Levis, which is simply insane just on opportunity and market value alone, even if you think levis sucks.
Use his evaluations but definitely don’t apply his rankings without factoring in adp. He has some good evals but clearly also goes for flare sometimes so he can advertise when things hit.

As stated above I’d recommend finding at least one more source you like (preferably 2 more) and mesh their rankings a bit and of course use adp to make sure you’re not reaching where you don’t have to for the guys you End up liking a lot.

Yes, I use other sources and I don’t use Waldman as gospel. But he probably does the most in depth player evals and he states repeatedly he hates rankings and they are team/draft dependent for a fit.

Dane Bruglet basically bleep all over Waldmans take on Maye.

Part of it for me is where I am can get them. Maye at 2 or Penix at 13. What if Penix goes to the Raiders? I’ll take my chances. Say what they want but Maye isn’t a sure thing.

[murphysxm]

Part of it for me is where I am can get them. Maye at 2 or Penix at 13. What if Penix goes to the Raiders? I’ll take my chances. Say what they want but Maye isn’t a sure thing.

nobody in this draft or any draft is a sure thing. Penix may be a better value, but to rank him higher than Maye is a completely different conversation and is crazy talk to me.

[HippieJuice]

Have you looked at Waldman’s in depth player charting of Maye and his major problem with inaccuracy? Will a team that drafts him spend a couple years developing him or will they throw him to the wolves because the owner wants to see immediate benefit for his money?

Or maybe that will work. Maybe he is the type of player that can learn under the gun. So how do you judge and predict that outcome?


I assume we are all aware of the QB fail rate.

Do you want Bryce Young or Will Levis considering the draft area? But outside of that Penix is more accurate and a better arm. He is a better pocket passer. I watched him smoke the combine. We will see what the NFL sees next week.

[Menace2010]

Have you looked at Waldman’s in depth player charting of Maye and his major problem with inaccuracy? Will a team that drafts him spend a couple years developing him or will they throw him to the wolves because the owner wants to see immediate benefit for his money?

Or maybe that will work. Maybe he is the type of player that can learn under the gun. So how do you judge and predict that outcome?


I assume we are all aware of the QB fail rate.

Do you want Bryce Young or Will Levis considering the draft area? But outside of that Penix is more accurate and a better arm. He is a better pocket passer. I watched him smoke the combine. We will see what the NFL sees next week.

If only he'd stayed in college 2 more years... it is usually a good sign that a player is truly elite when puts it all together in year 5 as a fifth year senior.

I love the process, we got to stay far, far away from all those early declares!

[murphysxm]

If only he'd stayed in college 2 more years... it is usually a good sign that a player is truly elite when puts it all together in year 5 as a fifth year senior.

I love the process, we got to stay far, far away from all those early declares!

With two WR's that will likely be among the first 15 picks.... I find it hard to not see the inherit bust risk in Daniels based on his long path to success. Maye is raw, but he is so much younger and has shown the ability much earlier.

[Black Adam]

Chase.

[NathanielWegman]

why wouldn't someone prefer Chase with Burrow over JJ with a bad QB? Is that odd? I don't think most experts would agree.

Penix and Nix are rated higher with Matt Waldman's scouting report, which is dependent on landing spots. But they are older, more experienced, more ready and have better existing metrics, and a lot of them to go by. QB's are a crap shoot anyway and if I am taking one I am fine to take a top position player who is more likely to hit and one late. I openly admit this goes against popular opinion, but don't care about that.

How about this. And I think this is all interesting as to early draft picks.

I was just offered 4 and 5 for 2 and 7. So Nabers and Bowers or Odenze and Maye/Daniels

I would take MHJ at 2 and Bowers or QB4 at 7. Or if you’re higher on Nabers take him at 2. I actually think Odunze is a drop off from the top 2 WRs and don’t see a significant gap in QB2-4

[HippieJuice]

why wouldn't someone prefer Chase with Burrow over JJ with a bad QB? Is that odd? I don't think most experts would agree.

Penix and Nix are rated higher with Matt Waldman's scouting report, which is dependent on landing spots. But they are older, more experienced, more ready and have better existing metrics, and a lot of them to go by. QB's are a crap shoot anyway and if I am taking one I am fine to take a top position player who is more likely to hit and one late. I openly admit this goes against popular opinion, but don't care about that.

How about this. And I think this is all interesting as to early draft picks.

I was just offered 4 and 5 for 2 and 7. So Nabers and Bowers or Odenze and Maye/Daniels

I would take MHJ at 2 and Bowers or QB4 at 7. Or if you’re higher on Nabers take him at 2. I actually think Odunze is a drop off from the top 2 WRs and don’t see a significant gap in QB2-4

I have all 3 WR's in the same tier so it will probably be landing spot for me. It's tough because I really do need to get a QB but I am not in love with an of them, outside of Caleb obviously. I don't want to miss so I am happy to take two of the top position players. They are so much more likely to hit. I had an offer to trade the 2 and 7 for the 4 and 5 which would have given me Odunze and a top QB but I passed.

I keep exploring trade options. The villain offered Chase and backed out, for now anyway.