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Next level rookie QB

Postby Big Al » Sun Apr 07, 2024 6:15 am

Who has the most potential after the top 6 rookie QB's. Players like Purdy and O'Connell, etc. if there are any?

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Re: Next level rookie QB

Postby Bronco Billy » Sun Apr 07, 2024 6:25 am

Rattler may be the best long shot in this draft, but that’s what it is - a very very long shot. There likely won’t be another player like Purdy for another 20 years or more, and O’Connell’s position for the foreseeable future may be clipboard holder.

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Re: Next level rookie QB

Postby yinzername » Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:08 am

Everybody has the chance to be an AOC, lol
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Re: Next level rookie QB

Postby tstafford » Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:34 am

Rattler would be my pick as well. But like BB said, it's a really long shot. It's a long shot with Penix and Nix IMO.

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Re: Next level rookie QB

Postby Anteaters » Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:28 am

Big Al wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 6:15 amWho has the most potential after the top 6 rookie QB's. Players like Purdy and O'Connell, etc. if there are any?
The player matters, but it's the situation much more than the player when it comes to QB surprises.

If any of these guys end up in KC/JAX/HOU or any team with a locked-in QB situation, they have no chance at being fantasy worthy. However, if one of these guys end up in NYJ/SEA/TB then I'm going to dig deeper to see if the player himself is good enough to take advantage of what could become an advantageous situation.

Any guess today is garbage in garbage out.
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12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
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QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
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Re: Next level rookie QB

Postby Cameron Giles » Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:53 am

One thing I've noticed with non-1st round QB hits recently is that it's almost all situation-dependent:

Hurts - Philadelphia (great OL, great coaching, good WRs, good GM)
Prescott - Dallas (great OL, decent coaching, good WRs)
Purdy - San Francisco (good OL, WRs, Kyle Shanahan, good GM)
Cousins - Washington (good WRs, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay)
Russ - Seattle (good coach, good GM, elite defense)
Carr - Oakland/Vegas (???)

Also, outside of Carr, all QBs who were 3-4 year starters at a P5.

So, to answer the question...I don't know? We wait and see what happens in a few weeks. The overwhelming majority of these non-R1 QBs will be clipboard holders and out of the league in a few years. It's why I hate using draft capital on non-R1 QBs even in Superflex. You just end up drafting a bunch of Matt Corral and Malik Willis clones.

I would look more closely at situation after draft day. Think about what teams a backup QB could step into and produce somewhat decently with a chance and would get additional years to keep the job.

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Re: Next level rookie QB

Postby mild » Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:24 pm

Anteaters wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:28 am The player matters, but it's the situation much more than the player when it comes to QB surprises.

If any of these guys end up in KC/JAX/HOU or any team with a locked-in QB situation, they have no chance at being fantasy worthy. However, if one of these guys end up in NYJ/SEA/TB then I'm going to dig deeper to see if the player himself is good enough to take advantage of what could become an advantageous situation.

Any guess today is garbage in garbage out.
We would have called Purdy's situation a "locked-in QB situation"... Jimmy G as the immediate starter, and the future secured with the monster trade up to 1.03 for Trey Lance.

Carson Wentz was pretty "locked in" to Philly until they ate millions to be "un-locked in" and roll with Jalen...

Carry on.

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Re: Next level rookie QB

Postby 81- » Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:31 pm

I wouldn't touch Rattler with a 10ft pole. But feel free to waste a late pick on him if you are so inclined.

Actually, I wouldn't touch any past the top six.

I also feel like once you go past six at any position you are throwing a dart.

I'd rather throw that dart at a wr or RB before a qb
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Re: Next level rookie QB

Postby jordanzs » Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:26 pm

Last summer, people thought Stetson Bennett was the one

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Re: Next level rookie QB

Postby Bronco Billy » Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:37 pm

81- wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:31 pm I wouldn't touch Rattler with a 10ft pole. But feel free to waste a late pick on him if you are so inclined.

Actually, I wouldn't touch any past the top six.

I also feel like once you go past six at any position you are throwing a dart.

I'd rather throw that dart at a wr or RB before a qb
Pretty sure the bolded isn’t true, but maybe some of us are better at darts than others, I guess.

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Re: Next level rookie QB

Postby moishetreats » Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:38 pm

Purdy and AOC, IMO, are different situations.

In 2022, Purdy was the #3 QB. He only got playing time because both the QBs ahead of him on the depth chart at the start of the season got injured. And there wasn't anything that we had really heard about him before he got in the lineup that would suggest any real potential.

AOC, on the other hand, flashed during the preseason and only had an unimpressive and oft-injured QB ahead of him on the depth chart. So I think it was far more reasonable to roster him on the realistic chance he'd get some play time.

Of course, there is one common denominator between the two: they each replaced Jimmy G in the lineup :).

Bottom line: for next level QBs, I'd look for players who both flash in the preseason and have a realistic chance of getting play time their rookie season.
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Re: Next level rookie QB

Postby Anteaters » Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:55 pm

mild wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:24 pm
Anteaters wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:28 am The player matters, but it's the situation much more than the player when it comes to QB surprises.

If any of these guys end up in KC/JAX/HOU or any team with a locked-in QB situation, they have no chance at being fantasy worthy. However, if one of these guys end up in NYJ/SEA/TB then I'm going to dig deeper to see if the player himself is good enough to take advantage of what could become an advantageous situation.

Any guess today is garbage in garbage out.
We would have called Purdy's situation a "locked-in QB situation"... Jimmy G as the immediate starter, and the future secured with the monster trade up to 1.03 for Trey Lance.

Carson Wentz was pretty "locked in" to Philly until they ate millions to be "un-locked in" and roll with Jalen...

Carry on.
What Moishe said, and ...

I would not have called the situation in SF a locked-in QB situation. Jimmy G hasn't been healthy since I could run a mile, and anyone who had good sense knew Trey was only more playing time away from playing himself out of being a starting QB.

I agree I might not have chose Purdy, MR irreverent, as my darkhorse rookie QB choice of that draft, but it wouldn't have been because the QB situation in SF looked rosy and set in stone.

Wentz was already on shaky ground after another QB led "his" team to a SB. Philly didn't choose Hurts that high because they were confident they had the right QB in Wentz. I wouldn't have spent a lot to get Hurts (because I doubted his ability to be an NFL QB), but Wentz was already looking like an iffy long-term Philly QB at that point.

But I have no issue with anyone who chooses to blow their rookie QB wildcard choice on KC's backup rookie QB. As some sportscaster once said, "Miracles do happen!!!" We're all making our best guesses when it comes to this topic.
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TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
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Re: Next level rookie QB

Postby Anteaters » Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:00 pm

jordanzs wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:26 pm Last summer, people thought Stetson Bennett was the one
Bennett wasn't my dart throw rookie QB choice, but I understand the reasoning behind choosing him. There was a chance, in that "so you're saying there's a chance" sort of way. And that's the most we can ask for in this type of choice.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser

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Re: Next level rookie QB

Postby TheTroll » Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:12 pm

Anteaters wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:00 pm
jordanzs wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:26 pm Last summer, people thought Stetson Bennett was the one
Bennett wasn't my dart throw rookie QB choice, but I understand the reasoning behind choosing him. There was a chance, in that "so you're saying there's a chance" sort of way. And that's the most we can ask for in this type of choice.
I think dart throws on QBs basically are dependent of the ability to stash obvious QBs who could ride the pine the whole year. Other positions have a deeper pool of “maybes” because their chance to step in is more probable. I have stashed Willis, Hooker, and DTR but only for as long as I can hold the roster spot.
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RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
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2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert

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Re: Next level rookie QB

Postby jordanzs » Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:41 pm

TheTroll wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:12 pm
Anteaters wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:00 pm
jordanzs wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:26 pm Last summer, people thought Stetson Bennett was the one
Bennett wasn't my dart throw rookie QB choice, but I understand the reasoning behind choosing him. There was a chance, in that "so you're saying there's a chance" sort of way. And that's the most we can ask for in this type of choice.
I think dart throws on QBs basically are dependent of the ability to stash obvious QBs who could ride the pine the whole year. Other positions have a deeper pool of “maybes” because their chance to step in is more probable. I have stashed Willis, Hooker, and DTR but only for as long as I can hold the roster spot.
I also see the logic on Bennett being a function of Stafford’s ability to hold up for a season in question. Remember last summer, we weren’t sure if he could play. DTR as well, he was a short-sell on Deshaun. Turns out we were right on the opportunity but didn’t know that all world Flacco would come and save the day.

In Superflex, I won’t mind taking a QB that ends up in Miami. Tua held up nicely last year but who knows what this year will bring


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