Should I trade for Waddle?

[Cantbuyabucket]

12 Team 1QB PPR

Team put Waddle OTB. I offered them Hollywood Brown and 1.11 and 26 1st and it was rejected. I have a decent stable of young WR’s and second guessing whether I should be even making a trade for Waddle considering he rejected what I offered. Tell me what you guys think? Here are my WRs

Aiyuk
Higgins
Metcalf
Tank Dell
Hollywood Brown
Ridley
Keenan Allen

[Prison_Mike]

That was a reasonable offer IMO. If he passed on that I would probably just hold. Hollywood was the guy that it made the most sense to add to. If you move any further up that ladder you'd move into a range where adding significant pieces would feel redundant, like you're basically adding to move within the same tier

I'd pivot and focus my efforts on going after an elite guy. You've got a nice stable but I'd explore which of those pieces you can mix & match to get yourself into the ARSB range

[Paul717]

12 Team 1QB PPR

Team put Waddle OTB. I offered them Hollywood Brown and 1.11 and 26 1st and it was rejected. I have a decent stable of young WR’s and second guessing whether I should be even making a trade for Waddle considering he rejected what I offered. Tell me what you guys think? Here are my WRs

Aiyuk
Higgins
Metcalf
Tank Dell
Hollywood Brown
Ridley
Keenan Allen

As far as first offers go...that was pretty decent. Was there a counter? Any comments?

Looking at your stable of WRs...if we had crystal balls you'd probably roll out 3-4 high scoring studs every week! Lacking such a thing, it will be tough to predict who to start.

Yeah as Prison Mike said, Waddle would be another guy in that same tier...ish. Trying for ARSB is great advice.

[Viking386]

Just echoing everybody else here. I would sit tight or try to aim for an Olave, Wilson, AJB instead.

[BigBawseRoss]

the reason it was rejected is because you are a very win now team, the picks are late, and you are offering a dude that hasnt been relevant since his hot start to 2022 and is your 5th or 6th best wr.

[Cantbuyabucket]

That was a reasonable offer IMO. If he passed on that I would probably just hold. Hollywood was the guy that it made the most sense to add to. If you move any further up that ladder you'd move into a range where adding significant pieces would feel redundant, like you're basically adding to move within the same tier

I'd pivot and focus my efforts on going after an elite guy. You've got a nice stable but I'd explore which of those pieces you can mix & match to get yourself into the ARSB range

He did and it was Higgins ++++. To your point if I’m going include some of my better WRs then I’d be better of going after a whale.

[Cantbuyabucket]

the reason it was rejected is because you are a very win now team, the picks are late, and you are offering a dude that hasnt been relevant since his hot start to 2022 and is your 5th or 6th best wr.

Wow! It seems like Hollywood Brown might have burned you in the past. Andy Reed has already said that he plans to reduce Kelces touches to make sure he is available for the post season. There are those that believe that Brown can thrive in KC, but none will know until the season starts. Brown would make the most sense in a deal for Waddle because using some of the other players wouldn’t be a huge upgrade from them. Brown is still 26 years old in a high octane offense and a dynamic QB. I figured that Brown is the same age as Waddle and 2 1st round picks was a fair offer. But that is the thing with trades, it requires communication from both sides in order to find a deal that both sides feel happy with. This particular owner isn’t communicating very much with me other than that 1 counter offer. I appreciate everyone’s feedback and agree that my efforts would be better spent on trying to go after an Elite WR. Cheers!

[SoftwoodGrampian]

Hold.

I’d have accepted the deal if I were them!

[Black Adam]

the reason it was rejected is because you are a very win now team, the picks are late, and you are offering a dude that hasnt been relevant since his hot start to 2022 and is your 5th or 6th best wr.

Agreed, not sure why other folks think two late 1sts and a 700yd/yr receiver equals Waddle.

[Cantbuyabucket]

the reason it was rejected is because you are a very win now team, the picks are late, and you are offering a dude that hasnt been relevant since his hot start to 2022 and is your 5th or 6th best wr.

Agreed, not sure why other folks think two late 1sts and a 700yd/yr receiver equals Waddle.

I’m assuming everyone here has been playing dynasty for a bit. And in this assumption I’m also assuming that some of you have made trades in that past. Most if not all trades start somewhere and finish somewhere the original offer or vastly different. Would you also agree that making a trade means negotiating? The team manager in this case isn’t communicating regarding a player he put OTB for trade. If you read my original post my question was if I should continue to pursue trading for Waddle given my current stable of WRs. I didn’t ask if you all thought if what I was good offer, because trades can be subjective and different team managers can perceive player and pick values differently. It’s OK to think that my offer wasn’t fair, but it seems you and BigBawse are just posting on how “bad” the trade offer was instead answering the original purpose of the post which was to continue to pursue or stay put. Instead you’d rather troll than provide actual insight like some of the few people that replied did. But appreciate everyones feedback either way. Cheers!

[Black Adam]

the reason it was rejected is because you are a very win now team, the picks are late, and you are offering a dude that hasnt been relevant since his hot start to 2022 and is your 5th or 6th best wr.

Agreed, not sure why other folks think two late 1sts and a 700yd/yr receiver equals Waddle.

I’m assuming everyone here has been playing dynasty for a bit. And in this assumption I’m also assuming that some of you have made trades in that past. Most if not all trades start somewhere and finish somewhere the original offer or vastly different. Would you also agree that making a trade means negotiating? The team manager in this case isn’t communicating regarding a player he put OTB for trade. If you read my original post my question was if I should continue to pursue trading for Waddle given my current stable of WRs. I didn’t ask if you all thought if what I was good offer, because trades can be subjective and different team managers can perceive player and pick values differently. It’s OK to think that my offer wasn’t fair, but it seems you and BigBawse are just posting on how “bad” the trade offer was instead answering the original purpose of the post which was to continue to pursue or stay put. Instead you’d rather troll than provide actual insight like some of the few people that replied did. But appreciate everyones feedback either way. Cheers!

Imposssible to assess outside of a vacuum since you didn't/were too lazy to post your entire team.

Perhaps you don't have enough WR capital to make that trade but you have RBs or picks or whatever.

Based on the limited information you did provide, no, you should not continue to pursue a Waddle trade as your team lacks depth and you can't afford it.

But do what you will with your team, of course.

-- Fred.

[Anteaters]

the reason it was rejected is because you are a very win now team, the picks are late, and you are offering a dude that hasnt been relevant since his hot start to 2022 and is your 5th or 6th best wr.

Agreed, not sure why other folks think two late 1sts and a 700yd/yr receiver equals Waddle.

I’m assuming everyone here has been playing dynasty for a bit. And in this assumption I’m also assuming that some of you have made trades in that past. Most if not all trades start somewhere and finish somewhere the original offer or vastly different. Would you also agree that making a trade means negotiating? The team manager in this case isn’t communicating regarding a player he put OTB for trade. If you read my original post my question was if I should continue to pursue trading for Waddle given my current stable of WRs. I didn’t ask if you all thought if what I was good offer, because trades can be subjective and different team managers can perceive player and pick values differently. It’s OK to think that my offer wasn’t fair, but it seems you and BigBawse are just posting on how “bad” the trade offer was instead answering the original purpose of the post which was to continue to pursue or stay put. Instead you’d rather troll than provide actual insight like some of the few people that replied did. But appreciate everyones feedback either way. Cheers!

"Should you pursue the trade?"

Yes, if you want to make a better offer. The other guy might not have responded because he feels the gap is too large and because he is not "into" dragged out negotiations.

Some people like to see a good offer off the start. Or at least an offer that is close enough to the value they're seeking, that only one tweak is made. When they receive an offer they consider weak, they reject with no comment.

Other people are really into trades that start very low, go through a 6-step back-and-forth negotiation, and end up with a trade that fundamentally changes the original assets in play. When they receive a first offer they consider weak, they get happy that "oooohhhh, the game is afoot!!!"

You gotta know your trade partners. If you're working with a non-negotiator, realize that and offer him your best offer right away. If you choose not to because you feel "it's foolish to leave points on the board when I could have scraped off some value", then you have to understand you're making the choice not to approach this trade in a manner that might help you make the trade. It's not always the other guy's fault why a trade doesn't happen.

[SoftwoodGrampian]

Aiyuk
Higgins
Metcalf
Tank Dell
Hollywood Brown
Ridley
Keenan Allen
Then Waddle… who are your weekly top 4?

[Cantbuyabucket]

Agreed, not sure why other folks think two late 1sts and a 700yd/yr receiver equals Waddle.

I’m assuming everyone here has been playing dynasty for a bit. And in this assumption I’m also assuming that some of you have made trades in that past. Most if not all trades start somewhere and finish somewhere the original offer or vastly different. Would you also agree that making a trade means negotiating? The team manager in this case isn’t communicating regarding a player he put OTB for trade. If you read my original post my question was if I should continue to pursue trading for Waddle given my current stable of WRs. I didn’t ask if you all thought if what I was good offer, because trades can be subjective and different team managers can perceive player and pick values differently. It’s OK to think that my offer wasn’t fair, but it seems you and BigBawse are just posting on how “bad” the trade offer was instead answering the original purpose of the post which was to continue to pursue or stay put. Instead you’d rather troll than provide actual insight like some of the few people that replied did. But appreciate everyones feedback either way. Cheers!

"Should you pursue the trade?"

Yes, if you want to make a better offer. The other guy might not have responded because he feels the gap is too large and because he is not "into" dragged out negotiations.

Some people like to see a good offer off the start. Or at least an offer that is close enough to the value they're seeking, that only one tweak is made. When they receive an offer they consider weak, they reject with no comment.

Other people are really into trades that start very low, go through a 6-step back-and-forth negotiation, and end up with a trade that fundamentally changes the original assets in play. When they receive a first offer they consider weak, they get happy that "oooohhhh, the game is afoot!!!"

You gotta know your trade partners. If you're working with a non-negotiator, realize that and offer him your best offer right away. If you choose not to because you feel "it's foolish to leave points on the board when I could have scraped off some value", then you have to understand you're making the choice not to approach this trade in a manner that might help you make the trade. It's not always the other guy's fault why a trade doesn't happen.

You make many valid points. This is a new team manager so I’m still trying to get a feel for them. You are 100% correct. Some managers like to go back and forth into specifics of what they want and others simply just don’t want to deal with the back and forth. Unfortunately I may not have enough to acquire Waddle from this manager and that is totally fine. I was just wondering if people thought I should just stay put or push harder on a trade given the WRs I have already in my roster. And I’m going to stay put for the time being as some of the members suggested. Appreciate the feedback.

[Cantbuyabucket]

Aiyuk
Higgins
Metcalf
Tank Dell
Hollywood Brown
Ridley
Keenan Allen
Then Waddle… who are your weekly top 4?

That’s what I was debating. It’s great to have depth but to your point I’m going to have a tough time figuring out who to start week in and week out. That’s why I reached out to the community to see if they were thinking what I was. Thanks everyone.