Gap Between AJB & DK?
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PigeonBoys
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Gap Between AJB & DK?
After DKs blowup game I have the AJ Brown owner mulling a trade. Not a huge on giving up a first especially since he approached me but I have a feeling that’s where he’s gonna start.What does everyone think the gap is here?
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WR: J. Jefferson, A.St. Brown, DK Metcalf, M. Brown, N. Collins, C. Kirk, J. Smith-Schuster, C. Tillman
TE: D. Waller, D. Njoku, D. Goedert
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2022: 2nd
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WR: J. Jefferson, A.St. Brown, DK Metcalf, M. Brown, N. Collins, C. Kirk, J. Smith-Schuster, C. Tillman
TE: D. Waller, D. Njoku, D. Goedert
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Re: Gap Between AJB & DK?
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Re: Gap Between AJB & DK?
Whether you like it or not, the gap is a 1st as it stands today and it's entirely due to QB play IMO. AJB is tied to Jalen for the foreseeable future, whereas DK is tied to Geno for maybe 1-2 years and unknown after that. They are very similar in terms of talent IMO, both big bodied guy who rack up YAC but in order to get consistency, you'll have to give up a 1st most likely.
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Re: Gap Between AJB & DK?
1st for me too.
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QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
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WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
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Dynasty DeLorean
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Re: Gap Between AJB & DK?
If I had DK and wanted AJB, I’d give a 2nd on top. A 1st is too much imo
Re: Gap Between AJB & DK?
From a buyer's perspective, I can understand this. From a seller's perspective, I don't see the value of trading away AJB for DK+2nd, especially if the 2nd is later.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:18 amIf I had DK and wanted AJB, I’d give a 2nd on top. A 1st is too much imo
This may be a case of no-happy-medium.
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QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
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WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
Re: Gap Between AJB & DK?
AJB has been a much more productive player than DK and age is basically irrelevant. He also has a better QB situation. I feel like DK is one of those fantasy WR that perception is valued higher than production, but that may just be me.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:18 am If I had DK and wanted AJB, I’d give a 2nd on top. A 1st is too much imo
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Cameron Giles
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Re: Gap Between AJB & DK?
A 1st sounds right. Probably a mid-first or higher. AJ Brown has been a much better player as a pro.
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Re: Gap Between AJB & DK?
Right, it’s basically a no deal on both sides. Selling you want a 1, and buying you want to give a 2. Just my opinion anywayAnteaters wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:21 amFrom a buyer's perspective, I can understand this. From a seller's perspective, I don't see the value of trading away AJB for DK+2nd, especially if the 2nd is later.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:18 amIf I had DK and wanted AJB, I’d give a 2nd on top. A 1st is too much imo
This may be a case of no-happy-medium.
Re: Gap Between AJB & DK?
Even after Metcalf's blowup game and AJB's relative slump, AJB is still WR6 in PPG vs Metcalf at WR19. Last season through week 17, WR7 vs WR23. 4.5-5 ppg difference in both seasons. They're 6 months apart in age, same draft class, similar draft capital. I suppose Metcalf has potential future upside of getting a better QB but Geno was solid last year (QB8 in PPG) and Metcalf was barely a WR2.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:18 am If I had DK and wanted AJB, I’d give a 2nd on top. A 1st is too much imo
I think the gap is significantly larger than a late 1st, and if you're a contender you should be tripping over yourself to trade Metcalf + your own 1st to get AJB, but I doubt many AJB owners would take that deal.
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Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
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Re: Gap Between AJB & DK?
100%Anteaters wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:21 amFrom a buyer's perspective, I can understand this. From a seller's perspective, I don't see the value of trading away AJB for DK+2nd, especially if the 2nd is later.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:18 amIf I had DK and wanted AJB, I’d give a 2nd on top. A 1st is too much imo
This may be a case of no-happy-medium.
And I love DK, but this is just reality.
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BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
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Re: Gap Between AJB & DK?
true, realitylukkynumber13 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:10 pm100%Anteaters wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:21 amFrom a buyer's perspective, I can understand this. From a seller's perspective, I don't see the value of trading away AJB for DK+2nd, especially if the 2nd is later.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:18 amIf I had DK and wanted AJB, I’d give a 2nd on top. A 1st is too much imo
This may be a case of no-happy-medium.
And I love DK, but this is just reality.
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Re: Gap Between AJB & DK?
this is why picks aren't a great way to close gaps IMO. Their level of variance is too great to measure. I would trade AJB for DK + 2nd + and a player like Michael Wilson or Rashee Rice. I generally don't trade for players at their peak. I generally always trade down. For example if I had Metcalf I would prefer to trade for Tee Higgins + than trade Metcalf + for AJB.
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Re: Gap Between AJB & DK?
I get it, but whenever I’m loading up to get 1 asset back I always ask myself if this player gets injured (let’s say acl) is this still a good deal. Or, doesn’t have to be a good deal but is it still a fair enough deal. And in this case, since I’d argue they’re similarly talented and similar in age, it’d be a really bad deal if AJb tore his acl next week.