Mac vs Sam vs Ridder
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Mac vs Sam vs Ridder
What are people's opinions on these three "maybe" young starters? I'm rostering Mac as a backup right now, I but haven't been blown away so far (obviously). Should I make a play for either of the other two?
Team 1: 16-team dynasty, non-PPR, 20-man roster, $450 salary cap (w/o contracts) with salaries that increase 10% every year.
Starters: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, K, DST
QB: Lamar Jackson ($23), Mac Jones ($15), Jake Browning ($10), Jameis Winston ($10)
RB: Bijan Robinson ($36), Breece Hall ($29), Zack Moss ($19), Justice Hill ($11)
WR: Ja'Marr Chase ($29), CeeDee Lamb ($32), Chris Olave ($21), Jahan Dotson ($21), Rashod Bateman ($20), Kendrick Bourne ($10)
TE: Dalton Schultz ($12), David Njoku ($30), Juwan Johnson ($11), Jonnu Smith ($10)
Taxi: QB Jake Haener, RB Chris Brooks, WR Dontayvion Wicks, WR Derius Davis, TE Brenton Strange
2022 Runner-up, 2023 Champion
2024 picks: Rd 1, Rd 2, Rd 3, Rd 5
2025 picks: Rd 1, Rd 3, Rd 5 (x2)
2026 picks: Rd 1, Rd 2, Rd 3, Rd 4, Rd 5
Starters: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, K, DST
QB: Lamar Jackson ($23), Mac Jones ($15), Jake Browning ($10), Jameis Winston ($10)
RB: Bijan Robinson ($36), Breece Hall ($29), Zack Moss ($19), Justice Hill ($11)
WR: Ja'Marr Chase ($29), CeeDee Lamb ($32), Chris Olave ($21), Jahan Dotson ($21), Rashod Bateman ($20), Kendrick Bourne ($10)
TE: Dalton Schultz ($12), David Njoku ($30), Juwan Johnson ($11), Jonnu Smith ($10)
Taxi: QB Jake Haener, RB Chris Brooks, WR Dontayvion Wicks, WR Derius Davis, TE Brenton Strange
2022 Runner-up, 2023 Champion
2024 picks: Rd 1, Rd 2, Rd 3, Rd 5
2025 picks: Rd 1, Rd 3, Rd 5 (x2)
2026 picks: Rd 1, Rd 2, Rd 3, Rd 4, Rd 5
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Re: Mac vs Sam vs Ridder
All are a gamble. Ridder may have the most upside overall but Jones is the safest, albeit with a low floor.
Re: Mac vs Sam vs Ridder
Mac is alright, but I would rather gamble on the other 2. Ridder is my guy. I think he has better weapons and a better team around him.
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Re: Mac vs Sam vs Ridder
Mac is third on my list. I'm really warming up to Howell, and I would definitely buy him over Ridder if there is a real price gap. I think his rushing ability could buffer his fantasy stats.
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball
QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble
2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
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RB: Mitchell ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), E Moore ('25), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
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WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble
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2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th
12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball
QB: Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Mitchell ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), E Moore ('25), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $102
IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): --
Re: Mac vs Sam vs Ridder
I think Howell is set up to succeed and has a long leash.
Ridder is a decent one, but what happens if the Falcons suck? Not as confident in his staying power.
I would not be surprised if Mac Jones is replaced by Zappe at some point this season.
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Ridder is a decent one, but what happens if the Falcons suck? Not as confident in his staying power.
I would not be surprised if Mac Jones is replaced by Zappe at some point this season.
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Both teams 16 tm 1/3 ppr idp
QB, RB, 2WR, TE, 2Flex, K, 2DL, 2LB, 2DB, 2 Flex
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WR - Adams, Tyreek Hill, Deebo Samuel, Zay Jones, M. Thomas, Downs
TE - Goedert, Bellinger
PK - Sanders
DL - Garrett, Paye, Madubuike, Judon
LB - Franklin, Mosley, Edmunds, J. Davis, Bernard, Jack, Mapu, Vander Esch
DB - Metellus, Branch
2024 Picks: 1.14, 2.05 , 2.14, 3.05, 3.14, 6.14
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RB - Stevenson, RWhite, Ford, Herbert, Hunt, CEH, McIntosh, Brooks
WR - Adams, Collins, Rice, GDavis, NBrown, Dortch, Tillman
TE - Higbee, Allen, Graham
PK - Fairbairn
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WR - Adams, Collins, Rice, GDavis, NBrown, Dortch, Tillman
TE - Higbee, Allen, Graham
PK - Fairbairn
DL - Madubuike, Paye, Ebukam, Will Anderson
LB - Kendricks, Pratt, DWhite, Holcombe, Baker, Alexander, TAndersen, Jack
DB - Blackmon, Brisker, Stingley
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Re: Mac vs Sam vs Ridder
I see a lot of people say, what if ATL sucks? What about WAS though? I feel like they are a worse team in a much tougher division. Howell could just as easily be replaced.
Neither Howell, Ridder, or even Mac at this point have a very long leash.
Neither Howell, Ridder, or even Mac at this point have a very long leash.
Re: Mac vs Sam vs Ridder
I think they all have long leashes in the sense that if their team loses but the QB plays well, the QB's job is safe. None of them will get a long leash if they play like Zach Wilson.
TEAM 1:
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QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
Re: Mac vs Sam vs Ridder
I wouldn't be surprised if Mac is replaced by Cunningham at some point this season
I am just a guy sharing some thoughts
Re: Mac vs Sam vs Ridder
haha yeah anyone playing like Wilson deserves a spot on the bench. I am sure both WAS and ATL hope they have franchise QBs in Howell/Ridder. But both are longshots and both have decent backups who are capable of winning games behind them. If the QB play is poor, I wouldn't be surprised to see either benched.
It's just odd to me that I see a lot more momentum for Howell these days when both are longshots still. I prefer Ridder's offensive weapons and strength of division. I think ATL has a record just above .500 while WAS struggles to get to .500.
Re: Mac vs Sam vs Ridder
I still think Mac Jones is the better of the 3. The pedigree and college career show it. He's been in 3 different systems in 3 years going back to Alabama and had Matt Stinking Patricia coaching the offense last season. I'm expecting a breakout year with O'Brien back at OC.
The other 2 are JAGS and probably won't make it to a second contract.
The other 2 are JAGS and probably won't make it to a second contract.
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Re: Mac vs Sam vs Ridder
M Jones
Tremendous sized gap
Howell
Sizeable gap
Ridder
Tremendous sized gap
Howell
Sizeable gap
Ridder
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Re: Mac vs Sam vs Ridder
I decided to keep Mac and not make any offers for Howell.
I am beginning to think I may have made a mistake.
I am beginning to think I may have made a mistake.
Team 1: 16-team dynasty, non-PPR, 20-man roster, $450 salary cap (w/o contracts) with salaries that increase 10% every year.
Starters: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, K, DST
QB: Lamar Jackson ($23), Mac Jones ($15), Jake Browning ($10), Jameis Winston ($10)
RB: Bijan Robinson ($36), Breece Hall ($29), Zack Moss ($19), Justice Hill ($11)
WR: Ja'Marr Chase ($29), CeeDee Lamb ($32), Chris Olave ($21), Jahan Dotson ($21), Rashod Bateman ($20), Kendrick Bourne ($10)
TE: Dalton Schultz ($12), David Njoku ($30), Juwan Johnson ($11), Jonnu Smith ($10)
Taxi: QB Jake Haener, RB Chris Brooks, WR Dontayvion Wicks, WR Derius Davis, TE Brenton Strange
2022 Runner-up, 2023 Champion
2024 picks: Rd 1, Rd 2, Rd 3, Rd 5
2025 picks: Rd 1, Rd 3, Rd 5 (x2)
2026 picks: Rd 1, Rd 2, Rd 3, Rd 4, Rd 5
Starters: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, K, DST
QB: Lamar Jackson ($23), Mac Jones ($15), Jake Browning ($10), Jameis Winston ($10)
RB: Bijan Robinson ($36), Breece Hall ($29), Zack Moss ($19), Justice Hill ($11)
WR: Ja'Marr Chase ($29), CeeDee Lamb ($32), Chris Olave ($21), Jahan Dotson ($21), Rashod Bateman ($20), Kendrick Bourne ($10)
TE: Dalton Schultz ($12), David Njoku ($30), Juwan Johnson ($11), Jonnu Smith ($10)
Taxi: QB Jake Haener, RB Chris Brooks, WR Dontayvion Wicks, WR Derius Davis, TE Brenton Strange
2022 Runner-up, 2023 Champion
2024 picks: Rd 1, Rd 2, Rd 3, Rd 5
2025 picks: Rd 1, Rd 3, Rd 5 (x2)
2026 picks: Rd 1, Rd 2, Rd 3, Rd 4, Rd 5
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Re: Mac vs Sam vs Ridder
It looks bad, but I don’t think it’s all Mac. It starts with the OC but they don’t have a lot around Mac. Look around the league, he’s at least in the middle tier of QB right now. Howell is a flame out.epsilonindi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:19 pm I decided to keep Mac and not make any offers for Howell.
I am beginning to think I may have made a mistake.
Re: Mac vs Sam vs Ridder
I am not ready to call Mac middle tier. He has some obstacles in his way, but he is making some really poor decisions and not showing any of the upside I once saw. I would rather own Howell if I had the choice. None are anybody I want to own thoughSoftwoodGrampian wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:37 pmIt looks bad, but I don’t think it’s all Mac. It starts with the OC but they don’t have a lot around Mac. Look around the league, he’s at least in the middle tier of QB right now. Howell is a flame out.epsilonindi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:19 pm I decided to keep Mac and not make any offers for Howell.
I am beginning to think I may have made a mistake.
I am just a guy sharing some thoughts
Re: Mac vs Sam vs Ridder
I agree I'd definitely rather hold Howell than Mac. I'd also rather hold Ridder than Mac, but only just barely.murphysxm wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:34 amI am not ready to call Mac middle tier. He has some obstacles in his way, but he is making some really poor decisions and not showing any of the upside I once saw. I would rather own Howell if I had the choice. None are anybody I want to own thoughSoftwoodGrampian wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:37 pmIt looks bad, but I don’t think it’s all Mac. It starts with the OC but they don’t have a lot around Mac. Look around the league, he’s at least in the middle tier of QB right now. Howell is a flame out.epsilonindi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:19 pm I decided to keep Mac and not make any offers for Howell.
I am beginning to think I may have made a mistake.
Mac is beginning to look like a career backup. Not bad enough to cut, not good enough to start.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
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