And then there’s this twist on the SB matchup

[spotxc]

I guess it's a relevant thing to say, but timing is where the clawback occurs. Where everything in this world is now about color, it just adds to a topic that already been hammered, twisted, manipulated, and shoved down people throats. However, I do believe the more you bring up color in a situation, the more you add to racism. Ex: I am jewish and if with everything that I or another jew accomplished or did, you stated it as a jewish topic instead of it being about the persons accomplishments, it would definitely bring on more anti-jewish thoughts/talk/annoyance. From time to time I don't see any issues with bringing it up to show the progress or dimishment but to bring it to every situation is just doing the black race a disservice. Here it shows some progress so I think it's fine but timing is crucial

[wickerkat1212]

It's historic and that's important. But IDK if they think of themselves as Black QBS or just elite QBs? I don't think of them as Black, first. I just think of them as being pretty amazing, especially Mahomes. IDK.

[mild]

"In which the DLF board attempts to solve modern-day Racial/identity politics."

Yeeesh.

I'm going back to the Gabe Davis thread.

[Cameron Giles]

I guess it's a relevant thing to say, but timing is where the clawback occurs. Where everything in this world is now about color, it just adds to a topic that already been hammered, twisted, manipulated, and shoved down people throats. However, I do believe the more you bring up color in a situation, the more you add to racism. Ex: I am jewish and if with everything that I or another jew accomplished or did, you stated it as a jewish topic instead of it being about the persons accomplishments, it would definitely bring on more anti-jewish thoughts/talk/annoyance. From time to time I don't see any issues with bringing it up to show the progress or dimishment but to bring it to every situation is just doing the black race a disservice. Here it shows some progress so I think it's fine but timing is crucial

I said this in a different thread, but: We have to stop appeasing ignorant, detrimental, and racist opinions. We shouldn't have to bite our tounge on conversations or small print accomplishments because people are fearful of a certain crowd becoming vociferous. Those people are getting the result they want by minimizing those discussions.

Racism doesn't increase because marginalized communities, cultures, and races celebrate accomplishments—that racism and ignorance is already there regardless.

We should celebrate achievements of everyone. Simultaneously, it's absolutely notable and justified to acknowledge those of marginalized races, who have not had the opportunities for obvious reasons to reach the highs that others are used to. So that's why we celebrate things like "first black....", "first Asian....", "first Hispanic..." etc.

[dondickenson]

I guess it's a relevant thing to say, but timing is where the clawback occurs. Where everything in this world is now about color, it just adds to a topic that already been hammered, twisted, manipulated, and shoved down people throats. However, I do believe the more you bring up color in a situation, the more you add to racism. Ex: I am jewish and if with everything that I or another jew accomplished or did, you stated it as a jewish topic instead of it being about the persons accomplishments, it would definitely bring on more anti-jewish thoughts/talk/annoyance. From time to time I don't see any issues with bringing it up to show the progress or dimishment but to bring it to every situation is just doing the black race a disservice. Here it shows some progress so I think it's fine but timing is crucial

I said this in a different thread, but: We have to stop appeasing ignorant, detrimental, and racist opinions. We shouldn't have to bite our tounge on conversations or small print accomplishments because people are fearful of a certain crowd becoming vociferous. Those people are getting the result they want by minimizing those discussions.

Racism doesn't increase because marginalized communities, cultures, and races celebrate accomplishments—that racism and ignorance is already there regardless.

We should celebrate achievements of everyone. Simultaneously, it's absolutely notable and justified to acknowledge those of marginalized races, who have not had the opportunities for obvious reasons to reach the highs that others are used to. So that's why we celebrate things like "first black....", "first Asian....", "first Hispanic..." etc.

Your aggressive focus on race is not a good example of someone being not racist. Let’s call it racialism because I think racism is a more charged term and connotes more intent than what I am hoping you are doing. Regardless it is offensive to me and crosses a line past the type of stuff I think is appropriate for a football message board. No matter how comfortable you have gotten spreaking about and practicing racialism in front of others, I’d appreciate it if you refrained from grouping, judging, or even celebrating people based on the color of their skin here. Thanks in advance.

[Pac_Eddy]

Man the fantasy offseason is not good for this forum.

[ericanadian]

The AP can’t help itself and almost immediately jumps into the arena of identity politics with the SB matchup.

Black quarterbacks have come a long way in the NFL since Fritz Pollard became the first to play in the league in 1923 and Doug Williams was the first to start and win a Super Bowl following the 1987 season.

Now, Patrick Mahomes and Jalen Hurts will be the first Black QBs to face off in a Super Bowl.

I saw this and it made me wonder - does anyone see these guys as black QBs instead of just QBs?

If this isn’t appropriate for this MB please remove it with my apologies. I guess I don’t look at any players through a racial spectrum and was curious if anyone else does or knows someone who does?

By pointing out this story and dropping a counterpoint, you’re doing the exact same thing. While there may be ulterior motives within the press for making this point, it would be equally fair to question whether you have ulterior motives in your counterpoint.

If you don’t care about race, why do you care about an article about race? Why is that clickbait to you?

[meineymoe]

Seems relevant to point that out given the history the nfl along with all levels of football of all ages that had a hand in suppressing black people from playing the quarterback position.

Well said. It's 100% relevant.

Even though we as adults don't view NFL players and athletes as heroes and role models, there will absolutely be black children and teens who do idolize these players and will draw motivation from seeing Mahomes and Hurts as black men and leaders competing for a Super Bowl and draw motivation from it in some way. Hell, there will be plenty of adults who are just happy to see two black men succeeding at a high level.

It's irrelevant if someone of another race sees them as QBs first or black QBs first. They either will not be inspired, or have a complete understanding of the things it took to get to this level that black people have to deal with regularly.

When JFK was president, it was a big deal for us Catholic kids. Collecting baseball cards, I was drawn to the players who wore glasses, or were left handed. Representation for kids is a real thing.
Now, as an "enlightened" adult, I don't get into discussions of Joe Biden's Catholicism, or the faith of any leaders, since that's not what matters. I look at different attributes in potential role models beyond physical features.
Race is always a storyline in our society, whether we like it or not. These issues aren't brought up to determine who is more or less racist than anyone else, or who has the ultimate definitions of it. It just is.

-oo-

[meineymoe]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
100% a clickbait article title. Can't believe I fell for it.

-oo-

[Cameron Giles]

I guess it's a relevant thing to say, but timing is where the clawback occurs. Where everything in this world is now about color, it just adds to a topic that already been hammered, twisted, manipulated, and shoved down people throats. However, I do believe the more you bring up color in a situation, the more you add to racism. Ex: I am jewish and if with everything that I or another jew accomplished or did, you stated it as a jewish topic instead of it being about the persons accomplishments, it would definitely bring on more anti-jewish thoughts/talk/annoyance. From time to time I don't see any issues with bringing it up to show the progress or dimishment but to bring it to every situation is just doing the black race a disservice. Here it shows some progress so I think it's fine but timing is crucial

I said this in a different thread, but: We have to stop appeasing ignorant, detrimental, and racist opinions. We shouldn't have to bite our tounge on conversations or small print accomplishments because people are fearful of a certain crowd becoming vociferous. Those people are getting the result they want by minimizing those discussions.

Racism doesn't increase because marginalized communities, cultures, and races celebrate accomplishments—that racism and ignorance is already there regardless.

We should celebrate achievements of everyone. Simultaneously, it's absolutely notable and justified to acknowledge those of marginalized races, who have not had the opportunities for obvious reasons to reach the highs that others are used to. So that's why we celebrate things like "first black....", "first Asian....", "first Hispanic..." etc.

Your aggressive focus on race is not a good example of someone being not racist. Let’s call it racialism because I think racism is a more charged term and connotes more intent than what I am hoping you are doing. Regardless it is offensive to me and crosses a line past the type of stuff I think is appropriate for a football message board. No matter how comfortable you have gotten spreaking about and practicing racialism in front of others, I’d appreciate it if you refrained from grouping, judging, or even celebrating people based on the color of their skin here. Thanks in advance.

How is it racist for black people to celebrate the accomplishments of black people? What kind of bleep is that?

Jalen Hurts is black. Patrick Mahomes is black. If anyone wants to acknowledge that and celebrate the achievements of black athletes and what it means to black people, then it's fair game. You don't have to read the article, click on the thread, or watch the story. If that bothers you, then it says a lot about you.

[dondickenson]

I said this in a different thread, but: We have to stop appeasing ignorant, detrimental, and racist opinions. We shouldn't have to bite our tounge on conversations or small print accomplishments because people are fearful of a certain crowd becoming vociferous. Those people are getting the result they want by minimizing those discussions.

Racism doesn't increase because marginalized communities, cultures, and races celebrate accomplishments—that racism and ignorance is already there regardless.

We should celebrate achievements of everyone. Simultaneously, it's absolutely notable and justified to acknowledge those of marginalized races, who have not had the opportunities for obvious reasons to reach the highs that others are used to. So that's why we celebrate things like "first black....", "first Asian....", "first Hispanic..." etc.

Your aggressive focus on race is not a good example of someone being not racist. Let’s call it racialism because I think racism is a more charged term and connotes more intent than what I am hoping you are doing. Regardless it is offensive to me and crosses a line past the type of stuff I think is appropriate for a football message board. No matter how comfortable you have gotten spreaking about and practicing racialism in front of others, I’d appreciate it if you refrained from grouping, judging, or even celebrating people based on the color of their skin here. Thanks in advance.

How is it racist for black people to celebrate the accomplishments of black people? What kind of bleep is that?

Jalen Hurts is black. Patrick Mahomes is black. If anyone wants to acknowledge that and celebrate the achievements of black athletes and what it means to black people, then it's fair game. You don't have to read the article, click on the thread, or watch the story. If that bothers you, then it says a lot about you.

Blocked for unapologetic racism.

[Ice]

I said this in a different thread, but: We have to stop appeasing ignorant, detrimental, and racist opinions. We shouldn't have to bite our tounge on conversations or small print accomplishments because people are fearful of a certain crowd becoming vociferous. Those people are getting the result they want by minimizing those discussions.

Racism doesn't increase because marginalized communities, cultures, and races celebrate accomplishments—that racism and ignorance is already there regardless.

We should celebrate achievements of everyone. Simultaneously, it's absolutely notable and justified to acknowledge those of marginalized races, who have not had the opportunities for obvious reasons to reach the highs that others are used to. So that's why we celebrate things like "first black....", "first Asian....", "first Hispanic..." etc.

Your aggressive focus on race is not a good example of someone being not racist. Let’s call it racialism because I think racism is a more charged term and connotes more intent than what I am hoping you are doing. Regardless it is offensive to me and crosses a line past the type of stuff I think is appropriate for a football message board. No matter how comfortable you have gotten spreaking about and practicing racialism in front of others, I’d appreciate it if you refrained from grouping, judging, or even celebrating people based on the color of their skin here. Thanks in advance.

How is it racist for black people to celebrate the accomplishments of black people? What kind of bleep is that?

Pretty sure you missed the point:

The Collective "We must stop them argument" is an interesting concept with close to 332 million people in already one of the most free and tolerant countries on planet earth.

We need to understand that a faction of this Collective WE group may just want to burn it all down if we do not bend to the will of a few violent groups.

This Country has made Great Strides since 1861. We have made major leaps forward in society and while racism against a multitude of races exist, regardless how you identify, it is worth looking at the glass from a 1/2 full perspective and continue to work towards positive change rather than negatively going after anyone who views change like its an instant fix.

Once people have the capacity to celebrate without regard to race, society as arrived. Sadly millions see themselves as a marginalized man as opposed to a man but as the years pass that mirror tells a story. Blaming other cultures gets old and lazy.

Ironically, football today is a game that is all about team, not about a multi-racial man, black man, or a white man playing a singular position.

Best Movie Ever: Guess who is Coming to Dinner. It is worth watching as it shows in depth perspectives on Race and Man over a generation.

[Cameron Giles]

The AP can’t help itself and almost immediately jumps into the arena of identity politics with the SB matchup.

Black quarterbacks have come a long way in the NFL since Fritz Pollard became the first to play in the league in 1923 and Doug Williams was the first to start and win a Super Bowl following the 1987 season.

Now, Patrick Mahomes and Jalen Hurts will be the first Black QBs to face off in a Super Bowl.

I saw this and it made me wonder - does anyone see these guys as black QBs instead of just QBs?

If this isn’t appropriate for this MB please remove it with my apologies. I guess I don’t look at any players through a racial spectrum and was curious if anyone else does or knows someone who does?

By pointing out this story and dropping a counterpoint, you’re doing the exact same thing. While there may be ulterior motives within the press for making this point, it would be equally fair to question whether you have ulterior motives in your counterpoint.

If you don’t care about race, why do you care about an article about race? Why is that clickbait to you?

The internet is a buffet of content, but people want to spend more time complaining about food they dislike instead of enjoying food they like. There are a million different angles people can discuss the Super Bowl from, but apparently marginalized communities celebrating each other's accomplishments is the true form of racism in this country and you can't discuss it with sports.

[Bronco Billy]

The AP can’t help itself and almost immediately jumps into the arena of identity politics with the SB matchup.

Black quarterbacks have come a long way in the NFL since Fritz Pollard became the first to play in the league in 1923 and Doug Williams was the first to start and win a Super Bowl following the 1987 season.

Now, Patrick Mahomes and Jalen Hurts will be the first Black QBs to face off in a Super Bowl.

I saw this and it made me wonder - does anyone see these guys as black QBs instead of just QBs?

If this isn’t appropriate for this MB please remove it with my apologies. I guess I don’t look at any players through a racial spectrum and was curious if anyone else does or knows someone who does?

By pointing out this story and dropping a counterpoint, you’re doing the exact same thing. While there may be ulterior motives within the press for making this point, it would be equally fair to question whether you have ulterior motives in your counterpoint.

If you don’t care about race, why do you care about an article about race? Why is that clickbait to you?

I don’t notice race. I do notice when it is being used as s tool to divide this country. I care a great deal about that. That’s what identity politics do - we get put into groups and then we get pitted against each other by those using it as a tool. Why wouldn’t people care a great deal about that?

[ericanadian]

The AP can’t help itself and almost immediately jumps into the arena of identity politics with the SB matchup.



I saw this and it made me wonder - does anyone see these guys as black QBs instead of just QBs?

If this isn’t appropriate for this MB please remove it with my apologies. I guess I don’t look at any players through a racial spectrum and was curious if anyone else does or knows someone who does?

By pointing out this story and dropping a counterpoint, you’re doing the exact same thing. While there may be ulterior motives within the press for making this point, it would be equally fair to question whether you have ulterior motives in your counterpoint.

If you don’t care about race, why do you care about an article about race? Why is that clickbait to you?

I don’t notice race. I do notice when it is being used as s tool to divide this country. I care a great deal about that. That’s what identity politics do - we get put into groups and then we get pitted against each other by those using it as a tool. Why wouldn’t people care a great deal about that?

I don’t think stating that this is the first instance of two black QBs facing one another in the Superbowl is identity politics. It’s a statement of fact. Your effort here is about the equivalent of the media making a big deal that Trump was overstating his crowd sizes. It comes off as petty at best. Racist dog whistling at worst.