I agree. Guy did need a RB, but I would have instead traded that pick for a known RB. Cook at 1.04 was way too early.BabyChark23 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:38 amJcedwards wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:11 amYep those were the top 3. 1.04 was James Cook.MacDaddy123 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:47 pm
Congrats!
So I suspect that Hall, Walker, and London went ahead of Wilson, Williams, and Burks.
Who was the reach?
Jameson Williams or Garrett Wilson
Re: Jameson Williams or Garrett Wilson
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR
2019 and 2020 Champion
QB- Mahomes / Purdy
RB- Barkley / Pollard / Kamara / Brian Robinson / Dillon / Charbonnet / Dowdle
WR- ARSB / Amari Cooper / Ridley / Diontae Johnson / Michael Thomas / Doubs / Wicks
TE- Goedert / Waller
D/ST- Bills / Dolphins / Chiefs
K- Butker
Taxi- Levis / Roschon Johnson / Jameson Williams / Michael Wilson / Okonkwo
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QB- Mahomes / Purdy
RB- Barkley / Pollard / Kamara / Brian Robinson / Dillon / Charbonnet / Dowdle
WR- ARSB / Amari Cooper / Ridley / Diontae Johnson / Michael Thomas / Doubs / Wicks
TE- Goedert / Waller
D/ST- Bills / Dolphins / Chiefs
K- Butker
Taxi- Levis / Roschon Johnson / Jameson Williams / Michael Wilson / Okonkwo
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Re: Jameson Williams or Garrett Wilson
williams is also my #1 wr from this class im not worried about a slow start. nice pick.
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
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Re: Jameson Williams or Garrett Wilson
I am SO not a scout - but still, watching Williams’ film I just don’t see it. Where is this sky high ceiling, other than admittedly insane speed?
I’m not saying his backers are wrong, I defer to others when it comes to college film, but I’m curious what I’m missing.
I’m not saying his backers are wrong, I defer to others when it comes to college film, but I’m curious what I’m missing.
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
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JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
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Re: Jameson Williams or Garrett Wilson
He’s a great all around athlete, though the speed and burst are definitely the elite portions of that profile. He’s also coming from Alabama which has a pretty solid record of getting guys ready for the NFL. Template for his sort of profile would be Ruggs and maybe Waddle. What are you seeing as potential hurdles to him being successful in the NFL outside of the injury?lukkynumber13 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:41 am I am SO not a scout - but still, watching Williams’ film I just don’t see it. Where is this sky high ceiling, other than admittedly insane speed?
I’m not saying his backers are wrong, I defer to others when it comes to college film, but I’m curious what I’m missing.
Compare him to say Jaylen Waddle or Henry Ruggs. Similar speed and route running skills, but he’s longer.
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QB - Stafford, Stroud, Tune
RB - Swift, Hall, Penny, Bigsby, Ford
WR - Pittman, Olave, Di. Johnson, G. Wilson, J. Williams, Metchie, Robinson, M. Wilson
TE - Okonkwo, Schoonmaker
LB - Brooks, R. Smith, Phillips
DL - Crosby, Allen, Simmons
DB - D. James, Baker, Delpit
K - Just a stupid kicker
QB - Stafford, Stroud, Tune
RB - Swift, Hall, Penny, Bigsby, Ford
WR - Pittman, Olave, Di. Johnson, G. Wilson, J. Williams, Metchie, Robinson, M. Wilson
TE - Okonkwo, Schoonmaker
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DB - D. James, Baker, Delpit
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Re: Jameson Williams or Garrett Wilson
I am currently in a 12 team SF TEP PPR IDP startup draft, and I am stoked that I just traded up from 8.01 to 7.08 to grab Jameson Williams!!
Surprisingly, in this draft, the rookie WR's went in this order (so far):
Garrett Wilson
Chris Olave
Drake London
Treylon Burks
Jameson Williams.
Surprisingly, in this draft, the rookie WR's went in this order (so far):
Garrett Wilson
Chris Olave
Drake London
Treylon Burks
Jameson Williams.
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Re: Jameson Williams or Garrett Wilson
I just see a guy who is blazing fast, but - to my naive eyes - I don’t see a crazy good route runner, a jitterbug agility-wise, or a dominant point of catch receiver. I see, a really fast guy.ericanadian wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:25 pmHe’s a great all around athlete, though the speed and burst are definitely the elite portions of that profile. He’s also coming from Alabama which has a pretty solid record of getting guys ready for the NFL. Template for his sort of profile would be Ruggs and maybe Waddle. What are you seeing as potential hurdles to him being successful in the NFL outside of the injury?lukkynumber13 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:41 am I am SO not a scout - but still, watching Williams’ film I just don’t see it. Where is this sky high ceiling, other than admittedly insane speed?
I’m not saying his backers are wrong, I defer to others when it comes to college film, but I’m curious what I’m missing.
Compare him to say Jaylen Waddle or Henry Ruggs. Similar speed and route running skills, but he’s longer.
Again, I can’t emphasize enough how little weight I’m putting into my own college film evaluations, but I was more impressed with Ruggs’ tape (I actually saw a guy who seemed to do a LOT of work in the middle of the field and could be a all-around WR) than Jameson’s.
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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TEAM G - 12T, SF & TEP (Joined in 23)
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
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MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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KELCE, Schultz
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Re: Jameson Williams or Garrett Wilson
Ruggs danced way too much at the line and just had a weird delay relative to the other receivers. He was consistently the last guy to move off the line after the snap. I suspect he was lined up in the slot a lot in order to avoid having to deal with press coverage. Gruden seemed to get him past it after his rookie year, but I don’t think Ruggs lined up inside in college because he was a good route runner.lukkynumber13 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:36 pmI just see a guy who is blazing fast, but - to my naive eyes - I don’t see a crazy good route runner, a jitterbug agility-wise, or a dominant point of catch receiver. I see, a really fast guy.ericanadian wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:25 pmHe’s a great all around athlete, though the speed and burst are definitely the elite portions of that profile. He’s also coming from Alabama which has a pretty solid record of getting guys ready for the NFL. Template for his sort of profile would be Ruggs and maybe Waddle. What are you seeing as potential hurdles to him being successful in the NFL outside of the injury?lukkynumber13 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:41 am I am SO not a scout - but still, watching Williams’ film I just don’t see it. Where is this sky high ceiling, other than admittedly insane speed?
I’m not saying his backers are wrong, I defer to others when it comes to college film, but I’m curious what I’m missing.
Compare him to say Jaylen Waddle or Henry Ruggs. Similar speed and route running skills, but he’s longer.
Again, I can’t emphasize enough how little weight I’m putting into my own college film evaluations, but I was more impressed with Ruggs’ tape (I actually saw a guy who seemed to do a LOT of work in the middle of the field and could be a all-around WR) than Jameson’s.
I don’t think Williams is elite from an agility or physicality perspective and he’ll need a lot of work on route running like a lot of receivers do. I do think he has very good agility and strength though. I do have concerns about the fact that his one elite trait is going to muted by having Goff as his QB, but I don’t see Goff staying long and year one is mostly a write off anyways with his injury.
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WR - Pittman, Olave, Di. Johnson, G. Wilson, J. Williams, Metchie, Robinson, M. Wilson
TE - Okonkwo, Schoonmaker
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DL - Crosby, Allen, Simmons
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