Drake London vs. Christian Watson

[mild]

And open score isn’t subjective…. It’s the exact opposite

I know what you mean by that - but then if it's so objective, then why isn't Tyreek Hill the top receiver by far? Why is he ranked below Elijah Moore? By every eyeball test, we know he's the most dangerous receiver in the game at "getting open" and beating his man. But "ESPN Open Score" would have you trading him for Elijah Moore right now...

And the reason is: because they shade coverage to him, and he's routinely beating bracket coverage with extra defenders all around him, on every snap.

Open Score doesn't tell the full story, just one part of it.

[FantasyFreak]

And open score isn’t subjective…. It’s the exact opposite

I know what you mean by that - but then if it's so objective, then why isn't Tyreek Hill the top receiver by far? Why is he ranked below Elijah Moore? By every eyeball test, we know he's the most dangerous receiver in the game at "getting open" and beating his man. But "ESPN Open Score" would have you trading him for Elijah Moore right now...

And the reason is: because they shade coverage to him, and he's routinely beating bracket coverage with extra defenders all around him, on every snap.

Open Score doesn't tell the full story, just one part of it.

Yeah. All these metrics people spew out these days, but honestly, they have their flaws. Sometimes, it's really as simple as watching guys play football. Metrics have their place, but it's obvious that Watson is a player with some warts. He's big and fast, but he doesn't use his size, all that well. I think he's a better athlete than football player, but he's still a viable option in an NFL offense, I just wouldn't want him in Fantasy.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

And open score isn’t subjective…. It’s the exact opposite

Open Score doesn't tell the full story, just one part of it.

And nobody is saying otherwise. You’re refuting an argument that literally zero people have made. Hard to understand why you’re wasting your time like this.

[mild]

And open score isn’t subjective…. It’s the exact opposite

Open Score doesn't tell the full story, just one part of it.

And nobody is saying otherwise. You’re refuting an argument that literally zero people have made. Hard to understand why you’re wasting your time like this.

You literally said Christian Watson had promising Open Scores like it was supposed to mean something...?

Hmm, Watson had a great open score as a rookie (73 if I remember correctly) and his open score this year is also very good (67) (23rd best in the league). Whatever you want to call it, route running or whatever, he’s getting open. Better than London, both years.

"Better than London, both years."

AND YET.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Open Score doesn't tell the full story, just one part of it.

And nobody is saying otherwise. You’re refuting an argument that literally zero people have made. Hard to understand why you’re wasting your time like this.

You literally said Christian Watson had promising Open Scores like it was supposed to mean something...?

Hmm, Watson had a great open score as a rookie (73 if I remember correctly) and his open score this year is also very good (67) (23rd best in the league). Whatever you want to call it, route running or whatever, he’s getting open. Better than London, both years.

"Better than London, both years."

AND YET.

… yeah he had better open scores. Why does everyone on this board have to take things to the extreme.

What I actually said “hey his open score indicates that maybe he’s a better route runner than you claim and/or is able to get open better than you said.”

What it’s translated to in DLF forum bozo language
“Hey his open score is higher therefore he’s an elite route runner and clearly a bette receiver than London”

Like please, when did everyone lose their goddamn mind and not use common sense

[Two Cents]

And nobody is saying otherwise. You’re refuting an argument that literally zero people have made. Hard to understand why you’re wasting your time like this.

You literally said Christian Watson had promising Open Scores like it was supposed to mean something...?

Hmm, Watson had a great open score as a rookie (73 if I remember correctly) and his open score this year is also very good (67) (23rd best in the league). Whatever you want to call it, route running or whatever, he’s getting open. Better than London, both years.

"Better than London, both years."

AND YET.

… yeah he had better open scores. Why does everyone on this board have to take things to the extreme.

What I actually said “hey his open score indicates that maybe he’s a better route runner than you claim and/or is able to get open better than you said.”

What it’s translated to in DLF forum bozo language
“Hey his open score is higher therefore he’s an elite route runner and clearly a bette receiver than London”

Like please, when did everyone lose their goddamn mind and not use common sense

Not sure if you noticed, but some people (no names in particular ) like to shape conversations so they can score a point….. maddening, I know.

[Jigga94]

You literally said Christian Watson had promising Open Scores like it was supposed to mean something...?



"Better than London, both years."

AND YET.

… yeah he had better open scores. Why does everyone on this board have to take things to the extreme.

What I actually said “hey his open score indicates that maybe he’s a better route runner than you claim and/or is able to get open better than you said.”

What it’s translated to in DLF forum bozo language
“Hey his open score is higher therefore he’s an elite route runner and clearly a bette receiver than London”

Like please, when did everyone lose their goddamn mind and not use common sense

Not sure if you noticed, but some people (no names in particular ) like to shape conversations so they can score a point….. maddening, I know.

Yup. I wonder who's tracking all the internet points. I wonder if ESPN has a metric for that too

[YouMightDieTryin]

[mild]

… yeah he had better open scores. Why does everyone on this board have to take things to the extreme.

What I actually said “hey his open score indicates that maybe he’s a better route runner than you claim and/or is able to get open better than you said.”

What it’s translated to in DLF forum bozo language
“Hey his open score is higher therefore he’s an elite route runner and clearly a bette receiver than London”

Like please, when did everyone lose their goddamn mind and not use common sense

Hey hey, no need to get religious.

All I've maintained all along is that Drake London is the better receiver.

You pointed to the Open Score being higher for Watson than London.

I told you why that score is kind of shitty. You agreed!

Still keen to hear from the people that thought Drake London was just a fancy TE though. Always enjoyed that take.

[Anteaters]

All I've maintained all along is that Drake London is the better receiver.

You pointed to the Open Score being higher for Watson than London.

I think we can all agree both Watson and London have been major disappointments to fantasy managers. At this point, we're arguing which high school dropout is smarter than the other.

No one is betting on either of these guys to be WR1s any more. At best, we're hoping they can be consistent low-end WR2s, and I'm beginning to doubt either can become even that.

Personally, I give the edge to London, but it's a dull edge.

[mild]

I think we can all agree both Watson and London have been major disappointments to fantasy managers. At this point, we're arguing which high school dropout is smarter than the other.

No one is betting on either of these guys to be WR1s any more. At best, we're hoping they can be consistent low-end WR2s, and I'm beginning to doubt either can become even that.

Personally, I give the edge to London, but it's a dull edge.

I'd disagree, and say that there can be levels to the disappointment.

One guy has at least shown he can be the #1 receiver on a bad offense, has stayed healthy, and has looked like a go-to guy in leverage situations. I don't think any Drake owners are panicking yet, and all of them would be interested in seeing what might happen if the Falcons ever manage that elusive "QB upgrade".

Certainly for those that were convinced he'd bust, Drake has proven otherwise.

KTC grain of salt - but according to them, Drake is still worth a Late 1st, and Watson is worth a Mid 2nd.

Which one of those would you sooner pay? It's an interesting exercise...

[Ice]

The Myth that QB's don't matter is just that. They do, even more so than horrid O line play.

Both of these WR's like several others are heavily impacted by lousy QB Play. People can argue who is better or worse all day and either position is skewed by the limitations of the current situations they find themselves in.

The Steelers and Jets WR's have entered the room.

[ThirdWW]

The Myth that QB's don't matter is just that. They do, even more so than horrid O line play.

Both of these WR's like several others are heavily impacted by lousy QB Play. People can argue who is better or worse all day and either position is skewed by the limitations of the current situations they find themselves in.

The Steelers and Jets WR's have entered the room.

100%… but none of them have to play under Arther Smith

[TheTroll]

The Myth that QB's don't matter is just that. They do, even more so than horrid O line play.

Both of these WR's like several others are heavily impacted by lousy QB Play. People can argue who is better or worse all day and either position is skewed by the limitations of the current situations they find themselves in.

The Steelers and Jets WR's have entered the room.

completely and unequivocally agree. True talent gets wasted based on the team and scheme they are on (includes QB).

[Lumps]

The Myth that QB's don't matter is just that. They do, even more so than horrid O line play.

Both of these WR's like several others are heavily impacted by lousy QB Play. People can argue who is better or worse all day and either position is skewed by the limitations of the current situations they find themselves in.

The Steelers and Jets WR's have entered the room.

100%… but none of them have to play under Arther Smith

Arthur Sith*