Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

[81-]

For once I agree with you.

And I'm shocked that you didn't somehow blame this mock on Ryan Day.

Let's see...... Gotta be something there. I'm not sure what, but I'm sure it involves choking

LOL. The only dream better would be Green Bay falling into well.....Green Bay!

That wouldn't be the worst thing. Green Bay is a dump.

[Bronco Billy]

Let's see...... Gotta be something there. I'm not sure what, but I'm sure it involves choking

LOL. The only dream better would be Green Bay falling into well.....Green Bay!

That wouldn't be the worst thing. Green Bay is a dump.

Green Bay is great. Plenty of bars, people are downright friendly, nearby Door County is beautiful. Plenty of nearby lakefront during the summer and great snowmobiling during the winter. Way better than living in the 3rd world ****holes that some of our biggest cities have become.

[81-]

LOL. The only dream better would be Green Bay falling into well.....Green Bay!

That wouldn't be the worst thing. Green Bay is a dump.

Green Bay is great. Plenty of bars, people are downright friendly, nearby Door County is beautiful. Plenty of nearby lakefront during the summer and great snowmobiling during the winter. Way better than living in the 3rd world ****holes that some of our biggest cities have become.

I'll agree to disagree on Green Bay.

[wickerkat1212]

Any thoughts on Guerendo? He blew up at the combine. I'm seeing him going undrafted in ADP/mocks.

The speed is real. Saw plenty of him at Wisconsin but he never got enough work buried behind Taylor and then Allen. When he came in there wasn’t much of a dropoff in the O. 6’-0” and 220 lbs, he’s a power back and unfortunately he doesn’t create much for himself, because if he had some shake to go with that size and speed he’d be one of the top, if not the top, RBs in this draft. Solid footwork, solid balance, runs with good pad height and lean. If he gets down hill no one will track him down from behind.

Like Allen, before last year he did not run decisively often enough and I think he got tagged as not having burst because of it. Like Allen, he ran with much better commitment and decisiveness last season and looked much better doing it. He’s a good (not great) receiver out of the backfield and he’s a good pass protector, so he has a 3 down skill set. He’s going to be 24 at the start of his rookie season, but with his diminished college workload he has plenty of tread on the tires.

He could be this year’s Pacheco - he’ll be more of a hammer early on, but with his size and athleticism if he learns a bit more in refining his game he could be a real surprise as his career moves forward.

Thanks!

[Bronco Billy]

Any thoughts on Guerendo? He blew up at the combine. I'm seeing him going undrafted in ADP/mocks.

The speed is real. Saw plenty of him at Wisconsin but he never got enough work buried behind Taylor and then Allen. When he came in there wasn’t much of a dropoff in the O. 6’-0” and 220 lbs, he’s a power back and unfortunately he doesn’t create much for himself, because if he had some shake to go with that size and speed he’d be one of the top, if not the top, RBs in this draft. Solid footwork, solid balance, runs with good pad height and lean. If he gets down hill no one will track him down from behind.

Like Allen, before last year he did not run decisively often enough and I think he got tagged as not having burst because of it. Like Allen, he ran with much better commitment and decisiveness last season and looked much better doing it. He’s a good (not great) receiver out of the backfield and he’s a good pass protector, so he has a 3 down skill set. He’s going to be 24 at the start of his rookie season, but with his diminished college workload he has plenty of tread on the tires.

He could be this year’s Pacheco - he’ll be more of a hammer early on, but with his size and athleticism if he learns a bit more in refining his game he could be a real surprise as his career moves forward.

Thanks!

To be clear, this guy is no threat to be a FF RB1. He’s a great pick late in drafts to see if he can start off as a short yardage/goal line/pass protecting RB who you hope can work his way into 6-8 touches a game and the see how his career ages from there.

[wickerkat1212]

The speed is real. Saw plenty of him at Wisconsin but he never got enough work buried behind Taylor and then Allen. When he came in there wasn’t much of a dropoff in the O. 6’-0” and 220 lbs, he’s a power back and unfortunately he doesn’t create much for himself, because if he had some shake to go with that size and speed he’d be one of the top, if not the top, RBs in this draft. Solid footwork, solid balance, runs with good pad height and lean. If he gets down hill no one will track him down from behind.

Like Allen, before last year he did not run decisively often enough and I think he got tagged as not having burst because of it. Like Allen, he ran with much better commitment and decisiveness last season and looked much better doing it. He’s a good (not great) receiver out of the backfield and he’s a good pass protector, so he has a 3 down skill set. He’s going to be 24 at the start of his rookie season, but with his diminished college workload he has plenty of tread on the tires.

He could be this year’s Pacheco - he’ll be more of a hammer early on, but with his size and athleticism if he learns a bit more in refining his game he could be a real surprise as his career moves forward.

Thanks!

To be clear, this guy is no threat to be a FF RB1. He’s a great pick late in drafts to see if he can start off as a short yardage/goal line/pass protecting RB who you hope can work his way into 6-8 touches a game and the see how his career ages from there.

Yep. Just trying to see if he's worth a fourth round flier.

[DJB]

Nabers ran a reported 4.34 at the LSU pro day

Further confirms to me that hes still my WR1

Edit he also has a
• Vertical jump: 42"
• Broad jump: 10'9"

[tstafford]

Nabers ran a reported 4.34 at the LSU pro day

Further confirms to me that hes still my WR1

Edit he also has a
• Vertical jump: 42"
• Broad jump: 10'9"

Even slightly adjusted for pro day BS, that's damn fast.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Nabers ran a reported 4.34 at the LSU pro day

Further confirms to me that hes still my WR1

Edit he also has a
• Vertical jump: 42"
• Broad jump: 10'9"

Whew. The 4.34 is probably nonsense but even 4.44 would be excellent. Must preface by saying I have no watched any MHJ film, but it would be awfully hard to put him over Nabers given that MHJ dodged everything possible. Doesn't mean MHJ isn't good, or even really good, but like I said before, there have been players with excellent tape, but the difference between a guy like Mike Williams and a guy like Julio Jones is athleticism, not talent, in my opinion.

[Cameron Giles]

Nabers ran a reported 4.34 at the LSU pro day

Further confirms to me that hes still my WR1

Edit he also has a
• Vertical jump: 42"
• Broad jump: 10'9"

Whew. The 4.34 is probably nonsense but even 4.44 would be excellent. Must preface by saying I have no watched any MHJ film, but it would be awfully hard to put him over Nabers given that MHJ dodged everything possible. Doesn't mean MHJ isn't good, or even really good, but like I said before, there have been players with excellent tape, but the difference between a guy like Mike Williams and a guy like Julio Jones is athleticism, not talent, in my opinion.

Not that Williams was a bad prospect or something, but I just don't ever remember him looking like Harrison or being talked about as a similar level of prospect. He's been marked as the favorite to be the first non QB off the board for two straight years and we've seen nothing to make us question that.

Granted, tape isn't everything, but some players are just so plainly elite that you don't even second guess it because of a lack of testing.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Nabers ran a reported 4.34 at the LSU pro day

Further confirms to me that hes still my WR1

Edit he also has a
• Vertical jump: 42"
• Broad jump: 10'9"

Whew. The 4.34 is probably nonsense but even 4.44 would be excellent. Must preface by saying I have no watched any MHJ film, but it would be awfully hard to put him over Nabers given that MHJ dodged everything possible. Doesn't mean MHJ isn't good, or even really good, but like I said before, there have been players with excellent tape, but the difference between a guy like Mike Williams and a guy like Julio Jones is athleticism, not talent, in my opinion.

Not that Williams was a bad prospect or something, but I just don't ever remember him looking like Harrison or being talked about as a similar level of prospect. He's been marked as the favorite to be the first non QB off the board for two straight years and we've seen nothing to make us question that.

Granted, tape isn't everything, but some players are just so plainly elite that you don't even second guess it because of a lack of testing.

Yeah, all fair. If he had the juice, he’d probably want to show it off though. Chase had nothing to gain either but still showed it off.

Or, maybe not. Maybe he just doesn’t give a crap. Very possible. I’m just saying, Nabers is an electric player. And now he’s backed it up. Why not go with the surer thing. Just my opinion anyway

Edit: here’s another hot take. I’d take Odunze over MHJ as well.

[Lumps]

Whew. The 4.34 is probably nonsense but even 4.44 would be excellent. Must preface by saying I have no watched any MHJ film, but it would be awfully hard to put him over Nabers given that MHJ dodged everything possible. Doesn't mean MHJ isn't good, or even really good, but like I said before, there have been players with excellent tape, but the difference between a guy like Mike Williams and a guy like Julio Jones is athleticism, not talent, in my opinion.

Not that Williams was a bad prospect or something, but I just don't ever remember him looking like Harrison or being talked about as a similar level of prospect. He's been marked as the favorite to be the first non QB off the board for two straight years and we've seen nothing to make us question that.

Granted, tape isn't everything, but some players are just so plainly elite that you don't even second guess it because of a lack of testing.

Yeah, all fair. If he had the juice, he’d probably want to show it off though. Chase had nothing to gain either but still showed it off.

Or, maybe not. Maybe he just doesn’t give a crap. Very possible. I’m just saying, Nabers is an electric player. And now he’s backed it up. Why not go with the surer thing. Just my opinion anyway

I would tend to agree. The only thing that gives me pause is the report that he asked teams that could draft him if they needed to see anything and they said no. In some ways it's different than in the past with GPS tracking and all that stuff. But, there is still a chance as you say.

[Cameron Giles]

Whew. The 4.34 is probably nonsense but even 4.44 would be excellent. Must preface by saying I have no watched any MHJ film, but it would be awfully hard to put him over Nabers given that MHJ dodged everything possible. Doesn't mean MHJ isn't good, or even really good, but like I said before, there have been players with excellent tape, but the difference between a guy like Mike Williams and a guy like Julio Jones is athleticism, not talent, in my opinion.

Not that Williams was a bad prospect or something, but I just don't ever remember him looking like Harrison or being talked about as a similar level of prospect. He's been marked as the favorite to be the first non QB off the board for two straight years and we've seen nothing to make us question that.

Granted, tape isn't everything, but some players are just so plainly elite that you don't even second guess it because of a lack of testing.

Yeah, all fair. If he had the juice, he’d probably want to show it off though. Chase had nothing to gain either but still showed it off.

Or, maybe not. Maybe he just doesn’t give a crap. Very possible. I’m just saying, Nabers is an electric player. And now he’s backed it up. Why not go with the surer thing. Just my opinion anyway

Edit: here’s another hot take. I’d take Odunze over MHJ as well.

Is it purely because of testing?

Fair point on Chase, but Harrison literally has nothing to gain. He's widely expected to be the first non QB off the board at 4. Sure, he could test and blow people away, but what changes? His odds of living up to his potential are not changing.

[Shoreline Steamers]

Maybe not the place for it, but I've been thinking that analytical/statistical modeling of incoming rookies may become increasingly difficult to do in the future. For the top draft eligible players, they've already been informed by NFL scouting departments what kind of draft grade they're sitting on prior to declaring. It's why some athletes decide to return to school versus coming out early if they don't like what they're hearing.

And, if you know you're already highly thought of what do you have to gain by participating in the combine/pro days? You can prove you're worth the evaluation you've already been given, or have a bad day and sow a little doubt. If this trend of non-participation by top athletes continues, or becomes more commonplace, where does the analytic information on these players come from?

[tstafford]

Whew. The 4.34 is probably nonsense but even 4.44 would be excellent. Must preface by saying I have no watched any MHJ film, but it would be awfully hard to put him over Nabers given that MHJ dodged everything possible. Doesn't mean MHJ isn't good, or even really good, but like I said before, there have been players with excellent tape, but the difference between a guy like Mike Williams and a guy like Julio Jones is athleticism, not talent, in my opinion.

Not that Williams was a bad prospect or something, but I just don't ever remember him looking like Harrison or being talked about as a similar level of prospect. He's been marked as the favorite to be the first non QB off the board for two straight years and we've seen nothing to make us question that.

Granted, tape isn't everything, but some players are just so plainly elite that you don't even second guess it because of a lack of testing.

Yeah, all fair. If he had the juice, he’d probably want to show it off though. Chase had nothing to gain either but still showed it off.

Or, maybe not. Maybe he just doesn’t give a crap. Very possible. I’m just saying, Nabers is an electric player. And now he’s backed it up. Why not go with the surer thing. Just my opinion anyway

Edit: here’s another hot take. I’d take Odunze over MHJ as well.

I get that MHJR not testing is frustrating. But if the NFL doesn't care (as evidenced by his actual draft capital) then I'd argue we shouldn't either. If he drops, then I'm with you.