Thankyou, that's very kind and definitely means a lot.
It's the fans that really keep me coming back around here.
Thankyou, that's very kind and definitely means a lot.
I mean, the way you were able to from his comment that Hurts wasn't as good as last year, and making more mistakes, to bumping the Mahomes thread, so seamlessly, was quite a feat.
And yet, the part that is interesting here is that I'm not hearing you disagreeing?FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 7:26 pm I mean, the way you were able to from his comment that Hurts wasn't as good as last year, and making more mistakes, to bumping the Mahomes thread, so seamlessly, was quite a feat.
He wasn't really taking him to task, IMO. He was just pointing out, he wasn't as good as last year. It's true. No chance I'd take him at QB1. I think he's got a few top end years left, but I don't see his style lasting into his 30's at a high level. I'd rather take Mahomes, no doubt, long term. This season seems like his floor. Depends on the league, too, 6pts pass TD or 4, or my league where rushing is really minimized. If it were 4 pts per Passing TD, and normal rushing, yeah, I could see QB1, or Lamar, if you're looking at a 3 year window. I only play SF, so I prefer a QB like Mahomes to Hurts/Lamar at my QB1 spot, in that format, though, as I'm looking for longevity.mild wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 7:33 pmAnd yet, the part that is interesting here is that I'm not hearing you disagreeing?FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 7:26 pm I mean, the way you were able to from his comment that Hurts wasn't as good as last year, and making more mistakes, to bumping the Mahomes thread, so seamlessly, was quite a feat.
Hurts owners aren't any more worried than Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, or T-Law owners. There are far more troubling situations in the league, fantasy wise, than the situation of the current QB2 in fantasy. I just think it's kinda funny, taking him (of all players) to task.
Man, imagine if he cut down on these mistakes! He could even be the QB1!?
FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 12:56 am ... Hurts wasn't anything close to an elite QB this year. Personally, I think he's a massive sell at top 3-5 QB prices in Dynasty (in Superflex, your ride the ceiling in the 1 QB leagues). Hurts has never been an elite passer, in any regard, whether it be arm talent or reading the field. His mobility helps him, but his injuries are piling up, and I think his career trajectory could be a poor man's Cam.
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I think Hurts has peaked. I'd be shocked if he hasn't, TBH.
He's done more than most, including myself, ever expected, out of college. He is still, however, hampered by a lot of the things that made him a 2nd round pick, and he's now in the top tier of cap hits for QB's.
Bronco Billy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:39 am Are those last 2 posts spot on. Johnson got everything he could out of Hurts’ limitations. The league just caught up to them and after that it was a free fall.
"I think Hurts has peaked. Wasn't anything close to an elite QB this year. A poor man's Cam."Anteaters wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:55 pm Sounds like you're saying Hurts talent and ability isn't enough to be great in an ordinary system. But in a perfectly designed and well-run scheme, he can do a lot better. That sounds a lot like a QB who should be described as a game manager. No shame in that, but I want to make sure we're all on the same page.
We can definitely agree there. I'm excited to see what Kellen Moore will be able to do for this offense, I think there were clear issues with the design this year and they sorely missed Steichan. Clearly Howie and Lurie agreed; they cleaned house pretty promptly.
I see where you are coming from. I also see him losing 10 rushing TD's when the tush push gets banned and I think he disenchanted himself with his teammates this year. I have some concerns about his future.mild wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:57 pmWe can definitely agree there. I'm excited to see what Kellen Moore will be able to do for this offense, I think there were clear issues with the design this year and they sorely missed Steichan. Clearly Howie and Lurie agreed; they cleaned house pretty promptly.
Laying it all on Hurts definitely isn't fair imo.
Where I'm struggling here is with labelling him a "game manager" and "not an elite QB" when he literally gave you another top 2 finish in fantasy. That seems like over-reactionairy nonsense by the DLF big brains - but what do I know, I just work here...
The most recent reports I’ve read are that they aren’t considering banning it for now anyway.
They just need to go back to enforcing the assisting the runner rule. QB sneaks are fine. Putting hands on the QB and pushing or grabbing/holding and pulling is illegal.
NFL wise:mild wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:57 pmWe can definitely agree there. I'm excited to see what Kellen Moore will be able to do for this offense, I think there were clear issues with the design this year and they sorely missed Steichan. Clearly Howie and Lurie agreed; they cleaned house pretty promptly.
Laying it all on Hurts definitely isn't fair imo.
Where I'm struggling here is with labelling him a "game manager" and "not an elite QB" when he literally gave you another top 2 finish in fantasy. That seems like over-reactionairy nonsense by the DLF big brains - but what do I know, I just work here...
Can we agree that:Ice wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:53 pm NFL wise:
I wouldn't get too excited with Moore as the OC. He is a pretty good coordinator but he runs a timing based offense which may stifle Hurts creativity. The system fit seems a bit strange to me. 3rd OC in three years. Has an early career Baker Mayfield vibe going on a bit.
Dak improved post Moore
Herbert stepped back a bit with Moore
Hurts time will tell.
Ummmm it's pretty easy, both of these guys most assuredly play QB...mild wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 7:31 pmCan we agree that:Ice wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:53 pm NFL wise:
I wouldn't get too excited with Moore as the OC. He is a pretty good coordinator but he runs a timing based offense which may stifle Hurts creativity. The system fit seems a bit strange to me. 3rd OC in three years. Has an early career Baker Mayfield vibe going on a bit.
Dak improved post Moore
Herbert stepped back a bit with Moore
Hurts time will tell.
- Dak with Kellen Moore was still pretty damn good (17.8 ppg vs. 20.8 ppg this year)
- The Hurts / Brian Johnson combo was decidedly "not good" and resulted in a firing
- ... but Hurts was still the #2 fantasy QB overall / ppg (21.9)
- Herbert / Moore was looking like an OK pairing before injuries piled up (especially Ekeler's multi-week hammy wk1, and Mike Williams ACL in wk3)
- Big Herb averaged a very respectable 21.5 PPG over his first 10 games before it all went in the tank with injuries everywhere (including himself - great bounceback 2024 candidate imo)
I don't really get the Baker Mayfield comp from any angle outside "they both changed OC's a lot" tbh. And that happens to plenty of QB's.
Can't recall Baker making a Superbowl ever. Can't recall him being a top 3 fantasy QB for consecutive years.
Can't recall Hurts disappointing a lot of fantasy drafters with high expectations of him either. Weird "early career" comp to land on, but hey.
It is amazing how you see things or even think I was comping his QB play to Baker.mild wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 7:31 pmCan we agree that:Ice wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:53 pm NFL wise:
I wouldn't get too excited with Moore as the OC. He is a pretty good coordinator but he runs a timing based offense which may stifle Hurts creativity. The system fit seems a bit strange to me. 3rd OC in three years. Has an early career Baker Mayfield vibe going on a bit.
Dak improved post Moore
Herbert stepped back a bit with Moore
Hurts time will tell.
- Dak with Kellen Moore was still pretty damn good (17.8 ppg vs. 20.8 ppg this year)
- The Hurts / Brian Johnson combo was decidedly "not good" and resulted in a firing
- ... but Hurts was still the #2 fantasy QB overall / ppg (21.9)
- Herbert / Moore was looking like an OK pairing before injuries piled up (especially Ekeler's multi-week hammy wk1, and Mike Williams ACL in wk3)
- Big Herb averaged a very respectable 21.5 PPG over his first 10 games before it all went in the tank with injuries everywhere (including himself - great bounceback 2024 candidate imo)
I don't really get the Baker Mayfield comp from any angle outside "they both changed OC's a lot" tbh. And that happens to plenty of QB's.
Can't recall Baker making a Superbowl ever. Can't recall him being a top 3 fantasy QB for consecutive years.
Can't recall Hurts disappointing a lot of fantasy drafters with high expectations of him either. Weird "early career" comp to land on, but hey.
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