The Mike Williams Thread: Finally turned the corner?

[pvillebiker]

Admittedly, the real NFL draft hasn't happened yet. But this data suggests that Mike Williams stock has fallen quite a bit in the dynasty community relative to Corey Davis. Check out the twitter poll I'm running (over 540 votes so far), which admittedly was partially about gauging Brandon Cooks' value, but also a comparison of Corey Davis vs Mike Williams.

Are you buying that Williams' stock has really fallen this far or think it's just noise until the NFL draft, and why?

As an aside, it's fascinating to me that Corey Davis is neck & neck with Brandon Cooks!



The poll

https://twitter.com/JohneeD/status/838233186274508800

[Jason3123]

This is a questionable poll IMO because a lot of people prefer Davis, and then a lot of people would probably take Cooks over both, or certainly over Williams, so it's not a very fair poll to Williams in my opinion.

What's funny is that Davis essentially gets a pass for not participating but imagine if he'd ran the 40 at around 4.6. Almost better at this point to not even participate in combine anymore because of how scrutinized it is.

[onetwothree]

Treadwell has people a bit gunshy about a "slow" WR. He'll likely have a much better pro day and his stock should recover a bit. Not the worse thing to be WR2 in a draft.

[Crwdstunna]

I think it's fair to consider McCaffery or Mixon at 1.04 over Williams or Davis if they get drafted in a favorable destination, no?

[Madadamus]

I think Williams is a better prospect than Treadwell. If Williams runs anything under 4.6 I think he'll be fine and locked in at no worse than 1.04.

Now, if he does run a Treadwell type 4.66 than he could certainly slide. His game isn't speed though, and I still think he'll be the first WR off the board in April.

[lukkynumber13]

I understand why we are reminded of Treadwell in terms of worrying that Williams will also run over 4.6, but I can guarantee you: Treadwell's horrific rookie season would not have been any better if he was a 4.4 WR. His problem was not a lack of athletisicm.

[flyersfan1981]

I think it's fair to consider McCaffery or Mixon at 1.04 over Williams or Davis if they get drafted in a favorable destination, no?

Anyone taking either of these RBs over Davis or Williams at this point in time would be a fool. Mixon, I can understand if he is taken to a team with any easy climb to the top of the depth chart and is taken in the first 2 rounds. But anyone taking a 3rd down/return specialist RB over WR1 potential would be an idiot.

I mean, what is considered a "favorable" situation for a guy like McCaffrey? Honest question...

[bruiser]

Anyone taking either of these RBs over Davis or Williams at this point in time would be a fool. Mixon, I can understand if he is taken to a team with any easy climb to the top of the depth chart and is taken in the first 2 rounds. But anyone taking a 3rd down/return specialist RB over WR1 potential would be an idiot.

I mean, what is considered a "favorable" situation for a guy like McCaffrey? Honest question...

Well you must be stuck in 12-team land or parallel universe. There are plenty of formats that support RB > WR value. I would agree that CMac is a 3rd down/return specialist, but those are very valuable in certain leagues. Mixon could blow the doors off all of these RBs, we dont know. MCCAFFREY to the Saints? I'd buy that scenario all day.

You should go outside once in awhile... it's a really big world out there to explore.

[flyersfan1981]

Anyone taking either of these RBs over Davis or Williams at this point in time would be a fool. Mixon, I can understand if he is taken to a team with any easy climb to the top of the depth chart and is taken in the first 2 rounds. But anyone taking a 3rd down/return specialist RB over WR1 potential would be an idiot.

I mean, what is considered a "favorable" situation for a guy like McCaffrey? Honest question...

Well you must be stuck in 12-team land or parallel universe. There are plenty of formats that support RB > WR value. I would agree that CMac is a 3rd down/return specialist, but those are very valuable in certain leagues. Mixon could blow the doors off all of these RBs, we dont know. MCCAFFREY to the Saints? I'd buy that scenario all day.

You should go outside once in awhile... it's a really big world out there to explore.

I did notice you added the bolded part after your initial response. At least you actually went back and answered the question I asked, it is like you were more interested in trying to be funny.

But go back and read what I said again, specifically the part I underlined for you. Obviously things can change...I said as much in my initial statement! Overlook that part? Were you distracted exploring the big world out there?

So let's put McCaffrey on NO smart guy. Ingram is still there. What is that offense gonna look like with a new QB in a year or two? What's his ceiling? Reggie Bush numbers? About 4 catches per game and about 70 total yards per game and about 8 TDs on a season? Pretty good numbers for PPR, but that is painting the best case scenario. The truth likely is somewhere between Reggie Bush as a Saint and Gio. Good, and valuable, sure! But at the expense of drafting a guy like Davis (a player who is a better version of Amari Cooper) or a guy like Williams (who fits the Alshon comp nicely), at this point of time is silly, which is what I said.

[stoneghost28]

Admittedly, the real NFL draft hasn't happened yet. But this data suggests that Mike Williams stock has fallen quite a bit in the dynasty community relative to Corey Davis. Check out the twitter poll I'm running (over 540 votes so far), which admittedly was partially about gauging Brandon Cooks' value, but also a comparison of Corey Davis vs Mike Williams.

Are you buying that Williams' stock has really fallen this far or think it's just noise until the NFL draft, and why?

As an aside, it's fascinating to me that Corey Davis is neck & neck with Brandon Cooks!



The poll

https://twitter.com/JohneeD/status/838233186274508800

I don't have an issue with the poll. Cooks is a proven producer who can win you games on his own (and lose a game for you and earn your eternal enmity as he proved last fall), Davis and Williams unproven, so Cooks being ranked above isn't surprising to me. Then it gets down to Williams vs Davis. In the dynasty community the love for Davis trumps the love for Williams from what I can tell, especially amongst the dynasty mediots. NFL Brass seem to like Williams better, but that's probably just based on his ceiling projections, and his big game experience and track record compared to Davis.

Results aren't surprising to me. Unless he pulls a horror show pro day, he'll be a lock to go between 1.2 and 1.4 in rookie drafts, w/some preferring him to Davis, and some not.

That's my biggest issue btw. I have the 1.3 on three teams, two of which don't house the 1.4, and I have remained undecided on which WR I prefer for the past four months. I just go back and forth, back and forth. If Williams has a great pro day, I'll probably go with him ahead of Davis, but if he doesn't make it into the 4.5's, I'll probably lean Corey's way. It's also why I've been trying to trade down to the 1.4 in those leagues, I'd rather just give the choice to someone with greater convictions in exchange for some goodies.

[stoneghost28]

I think it's fair to consider McCaffery or Mixon at 1.04 over Williams or Davis if they get drafted in a favorable destination, no?

Mixon yes, McCaffrey no. Nobody is saying McCaffrey may have the most talent of any RB in the class, but I've heard plenty of whispers about Mixon on that point. I just don't think McCaffrey can justifiably be taken ahead of Williams or Davis unless something really insanely drastic happens.

[stoneghost28]

I understand why we are reminded of Treadwell in terms of worrying that Williams will also run over 4.6, but I can guarantee you: Treadwell's horrific rookie season would not have been any better if he was a 4.4 WR. His problem was not a lack of athletisicm.

His landing spot could not have been worse if he tried. He was super young too if memory serves, I should probably say "is young."

And who has forgotten what Williams did against Alabama? A secondary that completely shut down the fastest NFL prospect of the modern era (pretty sure Darrell Green would have beaten that 4.22 but so be it). Somebody posted all of his game on youtube, worth taking a watch. I expect him to figure out how to be an excellent WR at the next level. Not sure if he ever becomes a WR1, but I'm pretty confident he'll become a top 15-25 WR if not better.

[JoshGordonsDealer]

For the first time in my history on this forum, I'm thinking about perpetuating a belief I don't share. If Williams fails to 1.06, I'll be ecstatic.

[clarion contrarion]

2 thoughts from reading this thread
stoneghost's line .... mediots hilarious dude ! permission to borrow ?
flyers fans corey davis a better version of amari cooper ? well that is hanging your toes over the edge my friend ! coopers (last) jr.year 124 for 1727 and 16tds in the SEC exceeds what davis did in the MAC with ease imho ! 97 for 1500 and 19tds . Davis size may allow him to be better in the league but that is merely a projection at this point.

I get the williams fear and comps to treadwell a little bit , that said treadwell rode his huge wave of high school pedigree hype but there were signs in his 8.4 YPC as a frosh and barely out producing cody core as a soph. , for those that dug a bit deeper . For my $ waiting and grabbing williams at 4 or 5 if there is a mixon lover in your league or perhaps even deeper if someone really likes little mac or ross is going to be like stealing .

[Dynastychamp111]

I have Corey Davis, Mike Williams and Mixon all real close. Landing spot will probably rank them. Any of them could be the 1.3 easily. I don't need MW or CD to run a 40, their tape says it. I do want to see Mixons pro day. If he does well, and is drafted on second or third day to a team where he can start I would consider him at 1.4.