Is he really? I can't see owners parting with Pitts for a 2nd. I think I would easily pay that as wellCGW wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 6:05 amLondon for sure. He's still in the late 1st range. Pitts is down into the 2nd territory. (SF)tstafford wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:57 amIs this the going price? I honestly have no idea what I'd pay for Pitts (who I don't have on any team). Seems like a tough piece to move. I wonder if Pitts or London carries more value right now.RheinlandChief wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:58 am Not sure about my share. People are not paying a lot for Pitts right now.
Maybe I can get two late 2nd-Rounders for him but I feel, that i would regret that... I still have hopes for my broken toy
Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.
Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.
Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.
I got him about a week or two ago in a larger deal instead of an early to mid 2nd. And this is from a guy who drafted him and refused to trade him to me for the past several years regardless of price.
Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.
I would pay a mid 2nd for him on any team. moving into late 1st/early 2nd is getting tougher to decide - so for me the value is in most situations a late 1st, still.
His rookie season still carries a lot of weight.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.
I'd take Pitts all day over London. Pitts has a top 5 season at his position. He has the ability, to be a true difference maker at the position. There are so many good WR's, I don't believe London does.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.
I'm not sure who carries more value, but personally I value London 2x Pitts.tstafford wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:57 amIs this the going price? I honestly have no idea what I'd pay for Pitts (who I don't have on any team). Seems like a tough piece to move. I wonder if Pitts or London carries more value right now.RheinlandChief wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:58 am Not sure about my share. People are not paying a lot for Pitts right now.
Maybe I can get two late 2nd-Rounders for him but I feel, that i would regret that... I still have hopes for my broken toy
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
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TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.
I value it the other way. In TEP, even moreso. London has not been a difference maker through almost 2 years at his position, and I don't think he ever will be. Pitts was as a rookie, and I think he will again.Anteaters wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:12 amI'm not sure who carries more value, but personally I value London 2x Pitts.tstafford wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:57 amIs this the going price? I honestly have no idea what I'd pay for Pitts (who I don't have on any team). Seems like a tough piece to move. I wonder if Pitts or London carries more value right now.RheinlandChief wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:58 am Not sure about my share. People are not paying a lot for Pitts right now.
Maybe I can get two late 2nd-Rounders for him but I feel, that i would regret that... I still have hopes for my broken toy
London is a low end WR 4 right now. Pitts is still a high end TE2. There's a lot less Pitts has to do, to be a difference maker, due to position, at this point. To each their own, though.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.
Sadly so, yes. And even the second 2nd-Round-Pick was not the initally offer. Just one of the picks. this is just sad.tstafford wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:57 amIs this the going price? I honestly have no idea what I'd pay for Pitts (who I don't have on any team). Seems like a tough piece to move. I wonder if Pitts or London carries more value right now.RheinlandChief wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:58 am Not sure about my share. People are not paying a lot for Pitts right now.
Maybe I can get two late 2nd-Rounders for him but I feel, that i would regret that... I still have hopes for my broken toy
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RB: Achane, Warren, Spears, McLaughlin, Brown,
WR: DJM, Jeudy, London, Pickens, Downs, Meyers, W. Robinson, Samuel, Tucker
TE: LaPorta, Pitts, Okonkwo, Otton
K: McLaughlin
DEF: Patriots, Bengals
DL: Garrett, Crosby, Hutchinson, Chase Young, J. Bosa, Tuipulotu
LB: Parsons, Bolton, Lloyd, Campbell, Byron Young
DB: Winfield, Pitre, Hufanga, Bland
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QB: Mahomes
RB: Achane, Warren, Spears, McLaughlin, Brown,
WR: DJM, Jeudy, London, Pickens, Downs, Meyers, W. Robinson, Samuel, Tucker
TE: LaPorta, Pitts, Okonkwo, Otton
K: McLaughlin
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.
Not if you're willing to hold. Trade value only matters if you want to trade a guy. Like it was said, Pitts could have a Hock like career arc. In fact, I think it's likely. Just hold, and wait it out. I think this is a valley, not a peak. I'm trying to get Pitts everywhere, with the growing skepticism.RheinlandChief wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:01 amSadly so, yes. And even the second 2nd-Round-Pick was not the initally offer. Just one of the picks. this is just sad.tstafford wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:57 amIs this the going price? I honestly have no idea what I'd pay for Pitts (who I don't have on any team). Seems like a tough piece to move. I wonder if Pitts or London carries more value right now.RheinlandChief wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:58 am Not sure about my share. People are not paying a lot for Pitts right now.
Maybe I can get two late 2nd-Rounders for him but I feel, that i would regret that... I still have hopes for my broken toy
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.
Great buy low. Previous high draft pick, obvious talent, decent production early, stuck in a bad situation. Situation will change at some point. Either he gets a new QB, or a new coach, or he eventually gets moved. Seems like a pretty low risk investment to me at current prices.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:07 amNot if you're willing to hold. Trade value only matters if you want to trade a guy. Like it was said, Pitts could have a Hock like career arc. In fact, I think it's likely. Just hold, and wait it out. I think this is a valley, not a peak. I'm trying to get Pitts everywhere, with the growing skepticism.RheinlandChief wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:01 amSadly so, yes. And even the second 2nd-Round-Pick was not the initally offer. Just one of the picks. this is just sad.
Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.
I don't think the question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy low player. There are a lot of players worth buying low. An argument could be made that almost every player has a good "buy low" price. I think that term is almost overused.
The question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy relatively high player. Another good question is 1:1 scenarios. Like..
What side is better in no TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in .5TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in 1.0 TEP? London:Pitts
Or, in 12tm SF .5TEP would you rather have...
Pitts:1.06
Pitts: 1.10+Warren
Pitts: 2.01+Chig
The question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy relatively high player. Another good question is 1:1 scenarios. Like..
What side is better in no TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in .5TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in 1.0 TEP? London:Pitts
Or, in 12tm SF .5TEP would you rather have...
Pitts:1.06
Pitts: 1.10+Warren
Pitts: 2.01+Chig
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.
Basically, I'm not giving up a premium pick for him, but you start getting into the late 1st early 2nd and thats where he becomes worth a look. That's the definition of buying low. A guy who was worth significantly more and the value has dropped to the point where it is now an acceptable gamble that he will increase in value.Anteaters wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:03 am I don't think the question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy low player. There are a lot of players worth buying low. An argument could be made that almost every player has a good "buy low" price. I think that term is almost overused.
The question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy relatively high player. Another good question is 1:1 scenarios. Like..
What side is better in no TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in .5TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in 1.0 TEP? London:Pitts
Or, in 12tm SF .5TEP would you rather have...
Pitts:1.06 - 1.06 easily
Pitts: 1.10+Warren - wash
Pitts: 2.01+Chig - Pitts
Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.
x2CGW wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:34 amBasically, I'm not giving up a premium pick for him, but you start getting into the late 1st early 2nd and thats where he becomes worth a look. That's the definition of buying low. A guy who was worth significantly more and the value has dropped to the point where it is now an acceptable gamble that he will increase in value.Anteaters wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:03 am I don't think the question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy low player. There are a lot of players worth buying low. An argument could be made that almost every player has a good "buy low" price. I think that term is almost overused.
The question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy relatively high player. Another good question is 1:1 scenarios. Like..
What side is better in no TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in .5TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in 1.0 TEP? London:Pitts
Or, in 12tm SF .5TEP would you rather have...
Pitts:1.06 - 1.06 easily
Pitts: 1.10+Warren - wash
Pitts: 2.01+Chig - Pitts
Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.
That's all fair and your opinion, which I was glad to hear.CGW wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:34 amBasically, I'm not giving up a premium pick for him, but you start getting into the late 1st early 2nd and thats where he becomes worth a look. That's the definition of buying low. A guy who was worth significantly more and the value has dropped to the point where it is now an acceptable gamble that he will increase in value.Anteaters wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:03 am I don't think the question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy low player. There are a lot of players worth buying low. An argument could be made that almost every player has a good "buy low" price. I think that term is almost overused.
The question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy relatively high player. Another good question is 1:1 scenarios. Like..
What side is better in no TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in .5TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in 1.0 TEP? London:Pitts
Or, in 12tm SF .5TEP would you rather have...
Pitts:1.06 - 1.06 easily
Pitts: 1.10+Warren - wash
Pitts: 2.01+Chig - Pitts
Hearing real values helps me put a better idea on what someone is saying than reading/hearing "good buy low" or "good sell high".
I'm not looking to agree or disagree. Just like to get a better idea of what values people are actually putting on players.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.
I just paid an early to mid 2nd for him, so that's where I peg his value at. Clearly I'm betting it goes up at some point in the future and I feel like that's a good bet, but I've been wrong before once or twice.Anteaters wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:40 amThat's all fair and your opinion, which I was glad to hear.CGW wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:34 amBasically, I'm not giving up a premium pick for him, but you start getting into the late 1st early 2nd and thats where he becomes worth a look. That's the definition of buying low. A guy who was worth significantly more and the value has dropped to the point where it is now an acceptable gamble that he will increase in value.Anteaters wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:03 am I don't think the question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy low player. There are a lot of players worth buying low. An argument could be made that almost every player has a good "buy low" price. I think that term is almost overused.
The question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy relatively high player. Another good question is 1:1 scenarios. Like..
What side is better in no TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in .5TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in 1.0 TEP? London:Pitts
Or, in 12tm SF .5TEP would you rather have...
Pitts:1.06 - 1.06 easily
Pitts: 1.10+Warren - wash
Pitts: 2.01+Chig - Pitts
Hearing real values helps me put a better idea on what someone is saying than reading/hearing "good buy low" or "good sell high".
I'm not looking to agree or disagree. Just like to get a better idea of what values people are actually putting on players.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.
I'd take 2.01+Chig over Pitts. I think Chig and Pitts are probably pretty close (they are far apart on KTC but i don't think they should be), and the 2.01 in SF TEP is no joke.CGW wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:34 amBasically, I'm not giving up a premium pick for him, but you start getting into the late 1st early 2nd and thats where he becomes worth a look. That's the definition of buying low. A guy who was worth significantly more and the value has dropped to the point where it is now an acceptable gamble that he will increase in value.Anteaters wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:03 am I don't think the question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy low player. There are a lot of players worth buying low. An argument could be made that almost every player has a good "buy low" price. I think that term is almost overused.
The question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy relatively high player. Another good question is 1:1 scenarios. Like..
What side is better in no TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in .5TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in 1.0 TEP? London:Pitts
Or, in 12tm SF .5TEP would you rather have...
Pitts:1.06 - 1.06 easily
Pitts: 1.10+Warren - wash
Pitts: 2.01+Chig - Pitts
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