Re: Cam Akers Official Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:15 am
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Also worth noting is that Akers hasn’t really played special teams, so you have to assume they’ve brought him in to actually take offensive snaps. That could be bad news for Mattison, but this has way bigger implications for Chandler. Chandler probably survives over Gaskin, but if he’s reduced to a purely special teams role at that point, I’m not sure he survives Nwangwu coming off IR.
Draft capital gets thrown out the window when your original team trades you for peanuts. See Kadarious ToneyTwo Cents wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:51 am For as much as many here bang the drum about draft capital I have not seen that mentioned here at all.
So I pose this question....when do you believe draft capital ceases to be relevant?
If I was a betting man, I would bet that by seasons end this will be Akers' backfield. This feels like a Fournette/Bucs type of arc. With this being Cousins' final year in Minneapolis potentially, I believe the Vikings have clearly determined that 2 games was all they needed to assess whether or not Mattison was the RB that could help get them over the top. Cam Akers has been that guy already. If Mattison was the guy, they wouldn't need someone with this level of pedigree. They could have signed someone like Kareem Hunt or Trey Sermon, or traded for someone non-threatening like the Browns did with Pierre Strong. Point being this was a major acquisition and I don't think it should be taken lightly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWmQbk5h86wJigga94 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:53 amDraft capital gets thrown out the window when your original team trades you for peanuts. See Kadarious ToneyTwo Cents wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:51 am For as much as many here bang the drum about draft capital I have not seen that mentioned here at all.
So I pose this question....when do you believe draft capital ceases to be relevant?
If I was a betting man, I would bet that by seasons end this will be Akers' backfield. This feels like a Fournette/Bucs type of arc. With this being Cousins' final year in Minneapolis potentially, I believe the Vikings have clearly determined that 2 games was all they needed to assess whether or not Mattison was the RB that could help get them over the top. Cam Akers has been that guy already. If Mattison was the guy, they wouldn't need someone with this level of pedigree. They could have signed someone like Kareem Hunt or Trey Sermon, or traded for someone non-threatening like the Browns did with Pierre Strong. Point being this was a major acquisition and I don't think it should be taken lightly.
Bingo.Jigga94 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:53 amDraft capital gets thrown out the window when your original team trades you for peanuts. See Kadarious ToneyTwo Cents wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:51 am For as much as many here bang the drum about draft capital I have not seen that mentioned here at all.
So I pose this question....when do you believe draft capital ceases to be relevant?
If I was a betting man, I would bet that by seasons end this will be Akers' backfield. This feels like a Fournette/Bucs type of arc. With this being Cousins' final year in Minneapolis potentially, I believe the Vikings have clearly determined that 2 games was all they needed to assess whether or not Mattison was the RB that could help get them over the top. Cam Akers has been that guy already. If Mattison was the guy, they wouldn't need someone with this level of pedigree. They could have signed someone like Kareem Hunt or Trey Sermon, or traded for someone non-threatening like the Browns did with Pierre Strong. Point being this was a major acquisition and I don't think it should be taken lightly.
When has Akers proven he's an RB that can put a team over the top? Because he put up numbers on a team whose season was basically over? Draft capital no longer matters when we have a meaningful sample size to see how a player has translated to the league.Two Cents wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:51 am For as much as many here bang the drum about draft capital I have not seen that mentioned here at all.
So I pose this question....when do you believe draft capital ceases to be relevant?
If I was a betting man, I would bet that by seasons end this will be Akers' backfield. This feels like a Fournette/Bucs type of arc. With this being Cousins' final year in Minneapolis potentially, I believe the Vikings have clearly determined that 2 games was all they needed to assess whether or not Mattison was the RB that could help get them over the top. Cam Akers has been that guy already. If Mattison was the guy, they wouldn't need someone with this level of pedigree. They could have signed someone like Kareem Hunt or Trey Sermon, or traded for someone non-threatening like the Browns did with Pierre Strong. Point being this was a major acquisition and I don't think it should be taken lightly.
Like I said.....the same song was sung for Fournette. And at one point...Marshawn Lynch, a 1st round draft pick traded to the Seahawks for a 4th round pick and a 5th round pick. The difference is Fournette wasn't traded, and Lynch was more productive than Akers before he was traded to the Seahawks (albeit still relatively inefficient and disappointing compared to the expectations). The goal of trading is to get out of the trade more than what you put into it. Why wouldn't the Vikings put themselves in a position to optimize value and win the trade by actualizing Akers' potential? Do we think just because the Vikings traded a 6th rounder means they are going to treat him like a Day 3 pick? If the Vikings wanted a JAG they would have gotten one off the waiver wire or stuck with what they have. This trade gives them upside and I think it would be foolish for us and for the Vikings to ignore that potential. Is it guaranteed? No. But teams don't make moves like this just to sit on their hands and resign to mediocrity. The Vikings are a team urgently seeking to win NOW. This is a swing for the fence and if we aren't reading it that way then I think we are a little out of touch. Whether or not they hit is the only question....but if you believed Mattison could be a hit, then why would you believe Akers couldn't?Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:05 amWhen has Akers proven he's an RB that can put a team over the top? Because he put up numbers on a team whose season was basically over? Draft capital no longer matters when we have a meaningful sample size to see how a player has translated to the league.Two Cents wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:51 am For as much as many here bang the drum about draft capital I have not seen that mentioned here at all.
So I pose this question....when do you believe draft capital ceases to be relevant?
If I was a betting man, I would bet that by seasons end this will be Akers' backfield. This feels like a Fournette/Bucs type of arc. With this being Cousins' final year in Minneapolis potentially, I believe the Vikings have clearly determined that 2 games was all they needed to assess whether or not Mattison was the RB that could help get them over the top. Cam Akers has been that guy already. If Mattison was the guy, they wouldn't need someone with this level of pedigree. They could have signed someone like Kareem Hunt or Trey Sermon, or traded for someone non-threatening like the Browns did with Pierre Strong. Point being this was a major acquisition and I don't think it should be taken lightly.
In this case, the Rams traded a 2026 7th for a 2026 6th to unload Akers. The Vikings basically just got Akers for nothing and that was the best deal they could get. It's an incredible indictment to Akers value around the league right now.
Crazier things have happened, so there's a chance Akers could turn it around, but I don't think the Rams or Vikings are counting on it.
I think the fantasy football reasoning is that this is Mattison's first chance to prove he can be the lead dog. He did really well in spot starts in previous years. Akers has a much larger sample size and has shown mediocrity. I think we know his likely ceiling.
The Vikings didn't just trade a 6th round pick. They swapped a 6th round pick for a 7th round pick that's three years out. This wasn't a situation of the Vikings being smart and pulling some heist on the Rams. This was a situation of both teams agreeing that a player has no value around the league.Two Cents wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:36 am
Like I said.....the same song was sung for Fournette. And at one point...Marshawn Lynch, a 1st round draft pick traded to the Seahawks for a 4th round pick and a 5th round pick. The difference is Fournette wasn't traded, and Lynch was more productive than Akers before he was traded to the Seahawks (albeit still relatively inefficient and disappointing compared to the expectations). The goal of trading is to get out of the trade more than what you put into it. Why wouldn't the Vikings put themselves in a position to optimize value and win the trade by actualizing Akers' potential? Do we think just because the Vikings traded a 6th rounder means they are going to treat him like a Day 3 pick? If the Vikings wanted a JAG they would have gotten one off the waiver wire or stuck with what they have. This trade gives them upside and I think it would be foolish for us and for the Vikings to ignore that potential. Is it guaranteed? No. But teams don't make moves like this just to sit on their hands and resign to mediocrity. The Vikings are a team urgently seeking to win NOW. This is a swing for the fence and if we aren't reading it that way then I think we are a little out of touch. Whether or not they hit is the only question....but if you believed Mattison could be a hit, then why would you believe Akers couldn't?
On a personal note Im personally more inclined to trust teams that take chances like this on an established player in the league in opposed to swinging for the fence on a rookie that has never played a down in the NFL.
I'm going to side with Cameron on this one.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:05 amWhen has Akers proven he's an RB that can put a team over the top? Because he put up numbers on a team whose season was basically over? Draft capital no longer matters when we have a meaningful sample size to see how a player has translated to the league.Two Cents wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:51 am For as much as many here bang the drum about draft capital I have not seen that mentioned here at all.
So I pose this question....when do you believe draft capital ceases to be relevant?
If I was a betting man, I would bet that by seasons end this will be Akers' backfield. This feels like a Fournette/Bucs type of arc. With this being Cousins' final year in Minneapolis potentially, I believe the Vikings have clearly determined that 2 games was all they needed to assess whether or not Mattison was the RB that could help get them over the top. Cam Akers has been that guy already. If Mattison was the guy, they wouldn't need someone with this level of pedigree. They could have signed someone like Kareem Hunt or Trey Sermon, or traded for someone non-threatening like the Browns did with Pierre Strong. Point being this was a major acquisition and I don't think it should be taken lightly.
In this case, the Rams traded a 2026 7th for a 2026 6th to unload Akers. The Vikings basically just got Akers for nothing and that was the best deal they could get. It's an incredible indictment to Akers value around the league right now.
Crazier things have happened, so there's a chance Akers could turn it around, but I don't think the Rams or Vikings are counting on it.