Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby MacDaddy123 » Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:08 pm

YouMightDieTryin wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:24 am What's the thoughts on Kupp's future? Are looking at the buy window being open or the sell window that's closed shut? Rams seem to be a mess that doesn't have many picks to help steer the course for next year. Baker is the QB. I'm having a hard time seeing which way the needle is with Kupp's outlook.
I actually was quite fortunate as I traded Kupp away just days before his injury for a mid and a late 23 1st.
While my team still has a shot to make the playoffs, I realistically had no chance to beat either of the top 2 teams.
So I sold Kupp, and move on.

I have no intention of shopping for Kupp in any of my other leagues, as it is too high risk, IMO.
His combination of injury, age, QB questions will keep me out of the market.

Only other player I know that needed surgery for a high ankle sprain was MT, and I don't want to go down that road again.
Add in the fact that he will be 30 next year, and Stafford may not be his QB, and I'm out.
Fun while it lasted, time to move on for me.

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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby Cameron Giles » Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:47 pm

YouMightDieTryin wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:24 am What's the thoughts on Kupp's future? Are looking at the buy window being open or the sell window that's closed shut? Rams seem to be a mess that doesn't have many picks to help steer the course for next year. Baker is the QB. I'm having a hard time seeing which way the needle is with Kupp's outlook.
He's still a WR1 until further notice. His floor is just so absurdly high and his volume only compares to a few players in the league. As long as Stafford and McVay are back, I really have no doubts about his production.

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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby dark_knite03 » Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:17 am

If someone is willing to pay how current value I would move him unless your a top 4 team. We seen how Baker crashed OBJ. That along with Kupp's age and question marks about Stafford he's an easy sell.
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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby Pullo Vision » Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:45 am

dark_knite03 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:17 am If someone is willing to pay how current value I would move him unless your a top 4 team. We seen how Baker crashed OBJ. That along with Kupp's age and question marks about Stafford he's an easy sell.
Agree completely. I'd sell if the valuation is at elite WR1 levels. There's too much uncertainty to hold.

That said, I'm not out entirely. If a prospect plus 2nd gets Kupp, I'm there. Price reinforcement is a thing.
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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby YouMightDieTryin » Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:11 am

Welp. He was just moved for ARSB and some loose change.

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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby Mjvb5 » Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:19 am

YouMightDieTryin wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:11 am Welp. He was just moved for ARSB and some loose change.
I'd rather have arsb at this point

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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby chubnubbin » Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:27 am

me too.

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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby frerichs5 » Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:43 am

How is everyone valuing Kupp these days?

I was kind of surprised when looking at him recently that he’s only hit 1000 yards 2/7 years in career. A lot of that has to due with injuries of course.

3 of 7 seasons he’s played 12 games or less.
4 of 7 seasons 15 games or more.

Looks like 2023 was his 2nd worst PPG season of his career after his rookie season.

I suppose the easy answer is a 1st for a contender, and then just play him when you have him? Would there be other “older vets” you’d look to buy first before settling on Kupp if you were looking to add a WR to a contending team?

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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby tstafford » Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:00 am

frerichs5 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:43 am How is everyone valuing Kupp these days?

I was kind of surprised when looking at him recently that he’s only hit 1000 yards 2/7 years in career. A lot of that has to due with injuries of course.

3 of 7 seasons he’s played 12 games or less.
4 of 7 seasons 15 games or more.

Looks like 2023 was his 2nd worst PPG season of his career after his rookie season.

I suppose the easy answer is a 1st for a contender, and then just play him when you have him? Would there be other “older vets” you’d look to buy first before settling on Kupp if you were looking to add a WR to a contending team?
Meh. Give me Diggs, Adams, Evans all over Kupp. Wouldn't be my choice on a short term rental.

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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby TheTroll » Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:00 am

tstafford wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:00 am
frerichs5 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:43 am How is everyone valuing Kupp these days?

I was kind of surprised when looking at him recently that he’s only hit 1000 yards 2/7 years in career. A lot of that has to due with injuries of course.

3 of 7 seasons he’s played 12 games or less.
4 of 7 seasons 15 games or more.

Looks like 2023 was his 2nd worst PPG season of his career after his rookie season.

I suppose the easy answer is a 1st for a contender, and then just play him when you have him? Would there be other “older vets” you’d look to buy first before settling on Kupp if you were looking to add a WR to a contending team?
Meh. Give me Diggs, Adams, Evans all over Kupp. Wouldn't be my choice on a short term rental.
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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby Cameron Giles » Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:31 am

My hesitation with Kupp is that everything is lower body and it's all happening consistently in a small window.

October 22: Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
November 22: Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3
August 23: Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2
November 23: Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1

We've seen this movie before with players like Michael Thomas.

Kupp will produce when he plays, but I think at best you might get one more year where he plays like he did at his peak.

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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby TheTroll » Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:19 am

Cameron Giles wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:31 am My hesitation with Kupp is that everything is lower body and it's all happening consistently in a small window.

October 22: Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
November 22: Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3
August 23: Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2
November 23: Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1

We've seen this movie before with players like Michael Thomas.

Kupp will produce when he plays, but I think at best you might get one more year where he plays like he did at his peak.
Im not sure if Cameron is an actual Doctor but if not he should play on on TV. :D seriously this makes sense
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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby Anteaters » Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:20 am

Kupp was a fun burst of stud while he lasted, but I think the ride is over for him. Injuries were part of his short reign, but another reason is he was a late bloomer in the NFL. Generally, we think a stud WR will deliver five or seven high quality seasons. Kupp's late emergence was always going to limit his longevity as a stud player. Not to mention that Kupp did not find his QB soulmate until his age 27 season.

I'll take Kupp at a bargain basement price, but I want almost any other aging star WR besides OBJ. I'll take Staff's list, as well as Thielen, Cooks, and maybe even Boyd if he ends up somewhere where he can be a team's WR2.

Kupp looked cooked in 2023 and I think the bottom will fall out of his production in 2024. As Cameron said, the types of injuries Kupp is suffering lately is more concerning than the frequency of injuries.
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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby Valhalla » Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:23 am

TheTroll wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:19 am
Cameron Giles wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:31 am My hesitation with Kupp is that everything is lower body and it's all happening consistently in a small window.

October 22: Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
November 22: Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3
August 23: Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2
November 23: Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1

We've seen this movie before with players like Michael Thomas.

Kupp will produce when he plays, but I think at best you might get one more year where he plays like he did at his peak.
Im not sure if Cameron is an actual Doctor but if not he should play on on TV. :D seriously this makes sense
He probably stayed at a Holiday Inn or something

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Re: Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

Postby TheTroll » Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:37 am

Valhalla wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:23 am
TheTroll wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:19 am
Cameron Giles wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:31 am My hesitation with Kupp is that everything is lower body and it's all happening consistently in a small window.

October 22: Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
November 22: Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3
August 23: Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2
November 23: Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1

We've seen this movie before with players like Michael Thomas.

Kupp will produce when he plays, but I think at best you might get one more year where he plays like he did at his peak.
Im not sure if Cameron is an actual Doctor but if not he should play on on TV. :D seriously this makes sense
He probably stayed at a Holiday Inn or something
I think Cam might have broken HIPPA laws here. :P
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TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert

Taxi: Willis, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Demercado, Vaughn

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