Patrick Mahomes: The Best QB in the NFL & for Dynasty

[Ice]

Mahomes is already a top 3 all time talent at QB. He may never catch Brady but it will be fun watching.

As for the MVP of the SB Game.

1 in-completion in the 2nd half of the game.
A couple of Great Runs ( On a Bad ankle )
No turnovers
4 straight scoring drives and the last FG would have been a TD if they wanted.

That is being the MVP not to mention the 2nd biggest comeback in SB history.

Eagle fans can cry about an actual penalty or Claim Hurts played better but as good Hurts played, which was awesome, he made a completely unforced error causing a TD.

The MVP in game was clearly the player that led the Chiefs to victory.

[Shcritters]

Mahomes is reaping the benefits of being Andy Reid's QB. No doubt he's been ridiculously talented but his stats are padded by Reid's play calling (especially when@ the goal line)
Also he's a child of the SUPER HYPE MEDIA ERA that bombard you that he's doing things that have never been done before ( he's not) No look passes & creativity flips were being done long ago. He plays in the softest era for QBs and receivers so the median numbers for QBs across the lg obliterates numbers from the past. He's no more physically gifted than Elway.Just played in a different era & set of rules.

Last night was as easy of a night as Mahomes coulda hoped for. Reid & Bienemy called a great game with plenty of short & intermediate throws to wide open guys. Kind of a Brock Purdy performance. No way he had a MVP performance. The fumble by Hurts & Kadarius return were the biggest plays of the night, not anything Mahomes did. (Will credit the long scramble run that got them in FG range) Yet he is GIVEN the MVP so they can sell him as some heroic warrior that carried the team to victory. The team & especially coaching staff stepped up knowing he wasn't going to be able to do his normal routine against a fierce Philly pass rushing defense. Mahomes played well but not great.

Gonna challenge you on this - go read this article by Bill Barnwell, with the section titled "Mahomes was magical, but not in the way you might expect".
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/356 ... rts-eagles

Yes, the coaching staff employed a game plan that minimized Mahomes' weaknesses (ankle injury). Yes, other players stepped up. But to say that Mahomes didn't do anything is a vast understatement. Even with the perfectly called game nearly every other QB in the game wouldn't have played it as well as Mahomes did on Sunday with the way he avoided sacks, scrambled when needed, and put the ball where it was supposed to be to his WRs/TEs. Was he the sole reason they won? Absolutely not. But he's not the first QB on the winning team to get the award where it wasn't clearly his. And I'd still argue that there are maybe 1-2 other QB's (Burrow, Allen) who could have done what he did on Sunday.

[StripesOfKC]

Mahomes is reaping the benefits of being Andy Reid's QB. No doubt he's been ridiculously talented but his stats are padded by Reid's play calling (especially when@ the goal line)
Also he's a child of the SUPER HYPE MEDIA ERA that bombard you that he's doing things that have never been done before ( he's not) No look passes & creativity flips were being done long ago. He plays in the softest era for QBs and receivers so the median numbers for QBs across the lg obliterates numbers from the past. He's no more physically gifted than Elway.Just played in a different era & set of rules.

Last night was as easy of a night as Mahomes coulda hoped for. Reid & Bienemy called a great game with plenty of short & intermediate throws to wide open guys. Kind of a Brock Purdy performance. No way he had a MVP performance. The fumble by Hurts & Kadarius return were the biggest plays of the night, not anything Mahomes did. (Will credit the long scramble run that got them in FG range) Yet he is GIVEN the MVP so they can sell him as some heroic warrior that carried the team to victory. The team & especially coaching staff stepped up knowing he wasn't going to be able to do his normal routine against a fierce Philly pass rushing defense. Mahomes played well but not great.

Gonna challenge you on this - go read this article by Bill Barnwell, with the section titled "Mahomes was magical, but not in the way you might expect".
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/356 ... rts-eagles

Yes, the coaching staff employed a game plan that minimized Mahomes' weaknesses (ankle injury). Yes, other players stepped up. But to say that Mahomes didn't do anything is a vast understatement. Even with the perfectly called game nearly every other QB in the game wouldn't have played it as well as Mahomes did on Sunday with the way he avoided sacks, scrambled when needed, and put the ball where it was supposed to be to his WRs/TEs. Was he the sole reason they won? Absolutely not. But he's not the first QB on the winning team to get the award where it wasn't clearly his. And I'd still argue that there are maybe 1-2 other QB's (Burrow, Allen) who could have done what he did on Sunday.

NFL media trying to sell us on Josh Allen still:

https://twitter.com/JoeCyan41/status/15 ... ut-loud%2F

[cazzie33]

Mahomes is already a top 3 all time talent at QB. He may never catch Brady but it will be fun watching.

As for the MVP of the SB Game.

1 in-completion in the 2nd half of the game.
A couple of Great Runs ( On a Bad ankle )
No turnovers
4 straight scoring drives and the last FG would have been a TD if they wanted.

That is being the MVP not to mention the 2nd biggest comeback in SB history.

Eagle fans can cry about an actual penalty or Claim Hurts played better but as good Hurts played, which was awesome, he made a completely unforced error causing a TD.

The MVP in game was clearly the player that led the Chiefs to victory.

That would be ANDY REID / BIENEMY !!!

One good run for about 25 yds , no pass completion of 15 yds or over in the 2nd half comeback , two completely schemed up TD WIDE OPEN passes that combined wouldn't total 10 yds.

STUFF OF LEGENDS !!! Gmafbreak

[cazzie33]

Mahomes is reaping the benefits of being Andy Reid's QB. No doubt he's been ridiculously talented but his stats are padded by Reid's play calling (especially when@ the goal line)
Also he's a child of the SUPER HYPE MEDIA ERA that bombard you that he's doing things that have never been done before ( he's not) No look passes & creativity flips were being done long ago. He plays in the softest era for QBs and receivers so the median numbers for QBs across the lg obliterates numbers from the past. He's no more physically gifted than Elway.Just played in a different era & set of rules.

Last night was as easy of a night as Mahomes coulda hoped for. Reid & Bienemy called a great game with plenty of short & intermediate throws to wide open guys. Kind of a Brock Purdy performance. No way he had a MVP performance. The fumble by Hurts & Kadarius return were the biggest plays of the night, not anything Mahomes did. (Will credit the long scramble run that got them in FG range) Yet he is GIVEN the MVP so they can sell him as some heroic warrior that carried the team to victory. The team & especially coaching staff stepped up knowing he wasn't going to be able to do his normal routine against a fierce Philly pass rushing defense. Mahomes played well but not great.

Gonna challenge you on this - go read this article by Bill Barnwell, with the section titled "Mahomes was magical, but not in the way you might expect".
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/356 ... rts-eagles

Yes, the coaching staff employed a game plan that minimized Mahomes' weaknesses (ankle injury). Yes, other players stepped up. But to say that Mahomes didn't do anything is a vast understatement. Even with the perfectly called game nearly every other QB in the game wouldn't have played it as well as Mahomes did on Sunday with the way he avoided sacks, scrambled when needed, and put the ball where it was supposed to be to his WRs/TEs. Was he the sole reason they won? Absolutely not. But he's not the first QB on the winning team to get the award where it wasn't clearly his. And I'd still argue that there are maybe 1-2 other QB's (Burrow, Allen) who could have done what he did on Sunday.

Or Brock Purdy

Toney had an equal impact on 2 touches. Pacheco as well. Coaching staff severely out did the Eagles & the refs clinched it for the Chiefs to win the game. Throw in an unforced error fluke touchdown & there you have the reason Chiefs won. Mahomes wasn't the driving force at all.

Meanwhile there was a QB on the other sideline hitting shots downfield & converting first downs & TDs regularly.

[Shcritters]

Mahomes is reaping the benefits of being Andy Reid's QB. No doubt he's been ridiculously talented but his stats are padded by Reid's play calling (especially when@ the goal line)
Also he's a child of the SUPER HYPE MEDIA ERA that bombard you that he's doing things that have never been done before ( he's not) No look passes & creativity flips were being done long ago. He plays in the softest era for QBs and receivers so the median numbers for QBs across the lg obliterates numbers from the past. He's no more physically gifted than Elway.Just played in a different era & set of rules.

Last night was as easy of a night as Mahomes coulda hoped for. Reid & Bienemy called a great game with plenty of short & intermediate throws to wide open guys. Kind of a Brock Purdy performance. No way he had a MVP performance. The fumble by Hurts & Kadarius return were the biggest plays of the night, not anything Mahomes did. (Will credit the long scramble run that got them in FG range) Yet he is GIVEN the MVP so they can sell him as some heroic warrior that carried the team to victory. The team & especially coaching staff stepped up knowing he wasn't going to be able to do his normal routine against a fierce Philly pass rushing defense. Mahomes played well but not great.

Gonna challenge you on this - go read this article by Bill Barnwell, with the section titled "Mahomes was magical, but not in the way you might expect".
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/356 ... rts-eagles

Yes, the coaching staff employed a game plan that minimized Mahomes' weaknesses (ankle injury). Yes, other players stepped up. But to say that Mahomes didn't do anything is a vast understatement. Even with the perfectly called game nearly every other QB in the game wouldn't have played it as well as Mahomes did on Sunday with the way he avoided sacks, scrambled when needed, and put the ball where it was supposed to be to his WRs/TEs. Was he the sole reason they won? Absolutely not. But he's not the first QB on the winning team to get the award where it wasn't clearly his. And I'd still argue that there are maybe 1-2 other QB's (Burrow, Allen) who could have done what he did on Sunday.

Or Brock Purdy

Toney had an equal impact on 2 touches. Pacheco as well. Coaching staff severely out did the Eagles & the refs clinched it for the Chiefs to win the game. Throw in an unforced error fluke touchdown & there you have the reason Chiefs won. Mahomes wasn't the driving force at all.

Meanwhile there was a QB on the other sideline hitting shots downfield & converting first downs & TDs regularly.

Your inability to acknowledge anything good that Mahomes did - despite one of the best minds in sports writing (Barnwell) highlighting specific things that he consistently does at otherworldly levels that impacted that game - betrays what I can only guess to be an underlying bias/inability to see clearly. It is as though we didn’t even watch the same game.

Yes, Hurts was amazing. Unfortunately his team lost, and Mahomes executed the gameplan perfectly, and escaped multiple drive ending sacks that would have completely changed the game. And no, Brock Purdy couldn’t have done what Mahomes did. And I watched 4 years of Brock at Iowa State prior to him being on the 49ers, so I’d have a pretty good perspective on that subject.

[Ice]

Mahomes is already a top 3 all time talent at QB. He may never catch Brady but it will be fun watching.

As for the MVP of the SB Game.

1 in-completion in the 2nd half of the game.
A couple of Great Runs ( On a Bad ankle )
No turnovers
4 straight scoring drives and the last FG would have been a TD if they wanted.

That is being the MVP not to mention the 2nd biggest comeback in SB history.

Eagle fans can cry about an actual penalty or Claim Hurts played better but as good Hurts played, which was awesome, he made a completely unforced error causing a TD.

The MVP in game was clearly the player that led the Chiefs to victory.

That would be ANDY REID / BIENEMY !!!

One good run for about 25 yds , no pass completion of 15 yds or over in the 2nd half comeback , two completely schemed up TD WIDE OPEN passes that combined wouldn't total 10 yds.

STUFF OF LEGENDS !!! Gmafbreak

It will be okay cazzie33.....Take a deep breath and maybe if you're lucky your guy will win the award next year.

Mahomes took what the defense gave him. He had 133.9 passer rating in the 2nd half. This is what the great ones do.

Maybe I missed it, Did Reid or Bienemy enter the game and pass 13 of 14 in the 2nd half with the only miss, a throw away while leading the team to 4 straight scoring drives and the 2nd largest comeback in SB history ?

Damn those Moscow Mules...... I was so excited winning $800 with my one $20 square for the 4th quarter pot I simply missed it!

[trc]

Meanwhile there was a QB on the other sideline hitting shots downfield & converting first downs & TDs regularly.

Are you referring to all the 1 yard situations where his team carried Hurts through to a lot of first downs? And at least 1 TD.

[cazzie33]

Absolutely, huge advantage for the play calling to know you're going to convert those 3rd & 4th down short ydg situations @ such a high rate.

It's a skillset that allows the Eagles to run when other teams routinely throw on those same downs on anything over a yd. Not many (if any) RBs have a higher ratio of success. It's a weapon that they put into their game plan.

Also allows them to go & get TDs instead of settling for FGs plus keeps drives alive instead of punting. NOBODY does it as well

[dondickenson]

Mahomes hits a little different when you realize that there are only two active QBs to have started more than one Super Bowl in their careers, Russell Wilson(1-1) and Pat Mahomes(2-1).

Fun fact: the last 17 straight QBs to lose their SB debut have never made it back to the SB. Most were out of their job or even the league within a few short years. We are always biased to believe that this time it will be different, but for now you would be stupid to bet on recent guys like Burrow and Hurts to ever make it back to the SB again. It’s totally counterintuitive and against all common logic, but true.

Anyways, back on topic… Mahomes is only 27, he is already on his second contract so there is no reason to think his production will slow like it will with other younger guys who we will have to see how they fair when $40-50+ million per year worth of talent is taken off their rosters on their second contract.

Rodgers signed his mega deal and his team has suffered for it ever since, not making the SB again. Josh Allen signed his mega deal in 2021 and the Bills have struggled for depth and been unable to go deep in playoffs, although Allen has shown that for now he is bulletproof in fantasy due to his rushing output. Cardinals entire franchise is in disarray from the Murray mega deal. Same with Russ and the Broncos. Gotta wonder what happens to LJax Hurts and Burrow and their teams once they sign big. Point is, Mahomes seems immune to this major issue with QB production and team building in the NFL and has overcome it to make himself the most valuable and steady asset in the NFL IRL and in dynasty.

[FantasyFreak]

This thread has been an interesting one. They won last year. I still kind of think they could have won, had they paid Hill, and cut some ties on other positions, and would be better off now, but that's hard to really argue.

I was also right in that this deal wouldn't last, and that it would be harder to build around him, BUT he still won a SB. He was really damn good last year. His best year for me, despite the lower numbers from his career year, because he adjusted to losing Tyreek, and still made it work. He showed growth with change around him, and losing what was though to be his biggest strength. The deep ball, and of course paired with THE elite deep ball target.

Mahomes and his agent took that week 1 performance and leveraged it to push money forward. Smart move. He's now the highest paid QB again, and I had expected a completely new deal to be struck before this one is done, and it seems to now be the case, as the article states.

His agent is a savvy guy. Take the top end guaranteed money, make it seem like a bargain long term (as was professed here) at the time, then take the opportunity once your client has done more with less, to turn it back around on the team at the most vulnerable time, to say "yeah, he's now underpaid...give us more or my client won't be happy".

Mahomes, IMO definitely deserves to be the highest paid QB still, and now he is.

Man did he and his agent play this well. They both believed in his skill set so much at that time, it's now worked out for them, not the Chiefs...well, not for their ability to underpay the best QB in the league. It still worked out for them, last year, that's likely why they agreed to this so readily. Don't rock the boat. They know who the captain of success in in KC.

https://www.nfl.com/news/chiefs-qb-patr ... d-contract

[Shcritters]

Agreed, very savvy play by his agent.

Now the question is if he can continue to do it with sub-optimal talent around him. Unless they strike gold on one of these WRs he might be in for a decline in production (not necessarily record) these next few years, as Kelce probably only has 1-2 more years in him after this year.

[CGW]

I know the jury is still out on these guys being good pros, but the Chiefs surely eventually hit on some skill players in the Mahommes era, right? Some day? Hardman(2nd), CEH(1st), Moore(2nd), Rice(2nd)...

[mild]

I know the jury is still out on these guys being good pros, but the Chiefs surely eventually hit on some skill players in the Mahommes era, right? Some day? Hardman(2nd), CEH(1st), Moore(2nd), Rice(2nd)...

Apart from pounding the table for Mahomes - I'm not convinced that GM Brett Veach has drafted one good offensive skill position player since assuming the position. (He doesn't get credit for the Mahomes/Hunt draft in 2017 as John Dorsey was still GM)

They've had a reputation for having "their guys" and going way off the consensus board. For a while there, we gave them the benefit of the doubt.

But when you make those kind of moves, you better be right - at least once!

And when even us lowly Dynasty peasants are scratching our heads going "First round RB, and you've gone Clyde over Taylor? What did we miss..." or "Hardman over Metcalf? Why would you do that..." or even just this year - "Who is Rashee Rice, and why wouldn't you take Marvin Mims / Josh Downs / Jalin Hyatt instead..."

Rice better hit (and to be fair he has looked promising thus far) because if he doesn't, they'll be looking at going 0-4 on Day 1/2 offensive players in the Veach era... and worse, it's finally affecting Mahomes, who is dying for a go-to option out there aside from 34 year old Travis Kelce.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

I think it’s because they treat those picks as “luxury” picks. What I mean is they are basically yolo’ing them. They let Mahomes pick CEH for goodness sake. The Skyy Moore pick was understandable but the rest are terrible. There’s no excuse for CEH over JT and Hardman over DK.

These teams/coaches also are constantly looking for a scheme fit instead of just taking the best players. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are identifying (poorly) which players will fit into their scheme the best instead of just taking the best player. Using CEH for example, they probably wanted a “pass catching” back. JT could also catch but not really as a “weapon”. So they draft CEH, but forgetting he’s a slow turd. But oh, he fits the scheme!!!