Patrick Mahomes: The Best QB in the NFL & for Dynasty

[dustyroads]

The fatigue on Pat's greatness is at absolutely unreal heights right now. That throw he made down the field to his FOURTH-STRING TIGHT END is one of the best throws you'll ever see, and the broadcast and seemingly everyone has glossed over it like it was a routine 10-yard out.

Fantasy is a different story, but in reality, the amount of takes back in the offseason putting him down and propping up anyone else -- mostly Allen but certainly others as well -- were absolutely insulting.

Even now. People crave competition and drama, but sorry, Pat is on a whole different planet to Tua and Hurts. I mean, really?

Very much agree here...

He makes 300 passing yd games with 3 TDs look normal. And they are anything but. Yet somehow he's played in about 70 games and already done this 23 times, IOW, 1 out of every 3 games his tossing it for 300 yards and 3 TDs. By just about any metric you can think of, Mahomes in his first 3 seasons is ahead of everyone ever. Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Farve, Elway, Montana, Marino... It's truly insanity. We are lucky to be witnessing it, and depending on your age, being able to watch the entire careers of both Brady and (if he continues what he's doing now) Mahomes may stand for a very long time as one of the best windows in not only NFL history, but the history of sports. It would be like if after Tiger started falling off, another guy just as good and possibly better just immediately picked up the reigns and started dominating in the same way.

[gpaok]

He makes 300 passing yd games with 3 TDs look normal.

That sums it all up. He changed the game - At first half I was disappointed in his performance cause it was < 2TDs and < 150 yards lol

He still needs to follow up with some championships though to get recognized as one of the greatest!

[bjd5211]

He still needs to follow up with some championships though to get recognized as one of the greatest!

No he doesn't (but he will). He already has as many as Favre, Rodgers and Brees and more than Marino, Kelly and Tarkenton.

[dustyroads]

He still needs to follow up with some championships though to get recognized as one of the greatest!

No he doesn't (but he will). He already has as many as Favre, Rodgers and Brees and more than Marino, Kelly and Tarkenton.

Sounds petty saying both sides of this statement; for the "real" fans, you're right he really doesn't need to. But if he stays this course, he'll ultimately be compared to Tom Brady in the argument of best QB of all time. And whether it should be or not, the amount of Super Bowls will probably be considered the biggest part of the equation for magazines, radio, talking heads on tv, general public fandom, etc. It's why Marino rarely gets placed properly/fairly in lists of greatest of all time. Say he gets 5/6 to Brady's 7, they'll have the conversation; if it's only 2/3.... it won't be more than a 2 minute segment, fair or not.

[gpaok]

He still needs to follow up with some championships though to get recognized as one of the greatest!

No he doesn't (but he will). He already has as many as Favre, Rodgers and Brees and more than Marino, Kelly and Tarkenton.

Sounds petty saying both sides of this statement; for the "real" fans, you're right he really doesn't need to. But if he stays this course, he'll ultimately be compared to Tom Brady in the argument of best QB of all time. And whether it should be or not, the amount of Super Bowls will probably be considered the biggest part of the equation for magazines, radio, talking heads on tv, general public fandom, etc. It's why Marino rarely gets placed properly/fairly in lists of greatest of all time. Say he gets 5/6 to Brady's 7, they'll have the conversation; if it's only 2/3.... it won't be more than a 2 minute segment, fair or not.

That’s my point!

[Jigga94]

5 years (not counting rookie year)
5 Championship games
5 division titles
5 12 win seasons
5 Pro Bowls
2 MVP, SB and SB MVP

Poster said it well before, no one's really surprised anymore but it's been an unreal start. If anyone is getting anywehre close to Bradys 7 anytime soon, it's Mahomes

[Anteaters]

5 years (not counting rookie year)
5 Championship games
5 division titles
5 12 win seasons
5 Pro Bowls
2 MVP, SB and SB MVP

Poster said it well before, no one's really surprised anymore but it's been an unreal start. If anyone is getting anywehre close to Bradys 7 anytime soon, it's Mahomes

Agreed, except I'm counting that rookie season. It's on the books, after all.

And I know you didn't say PM is on his way to 7, but 7 is such an unreal number. I respect the hated Brady for that accomplishment, but at some point we'll (the sports world) will have to decide what is "close enough" to take the title of best QB ever. Like in basketball no one will ever match Bill Russell's NBA titles or Wooden's NCAA titles, but neither is widely considered the best ever as NBA player or NCAA coach. At some point, the sports world stepped back and acknowledged that while each was great, there were other factors that helped contribute to the impressive title total.

At some point, that will happen with Brady's accomplishment of 7 titles. And then it will be acceptable to regard someone else as possibly being a better QB.

I agree with you that right now, that someone else looks like Mahomes!

[remedy29]

5 years (not counting rookie year)
5 Championship games
5 division titles
5 12 win seasons
5 Pro Bowls
2 MVP, SB and SB MVP

Poster said it well before, no one's really surprised anymore but it's been an unreal start. If anyone is getting anywehre close to Bradys 7 anytime soon, it's Mahomes

Need to include 1st team All Pro seasons. Brady has 3, Mahomes has 2. When comparing/ranking QBs from different era's, All Pro seasons may be first and foremost.

[killer_of_giants]

Need to include 1st team All Pro seasons. Brady has 3, Mahomes has 2. When comparing/ranking QBs from different era's, All Pro seasons may be first and foremost.

if brady only got 3 in his 20 years long career, no, it's just not a good indicator.

[Anteaters]

Need to include 1st team All Pro seasons. Brady has 3, Mahomes has 2. When comparing/ranking QBs from different era's, All Pro seasons may be first and foremost.

if brady only got 3 in his 20 years long career, no, it's just not a good indicator.

I think it can be a good indicator, while being only one of several indicators. It wouldn't be used on its own to determine the better QBs. By the same logic, team championships should not be the sole (or even major) determinant either.

[cazzie33]

Mahomes is reaping the benefits of being Andy Reid's QB. No doubt he's been ridiculously talented but his stats are padded by Reid's play calling (especially when@ the goal line)
Also he's a child of the SUPER HYPE MEDIA ERA that bombard you that he's doing things that have never been done before ( he's not) No look passes & creativity flips were being done long ago. He plays in the softest era for QBs and receivers so the median numbers for QBs across the lg obliterates numbers from the past. He's no more physically gifted than Elway.Just played in a different era & set of rules.

Last night was as easy of a night as Mahomes coulda hoped for. Reid & Bienemy called a great game with plenty of short & intermediate throws to wide open guys. Kind of a Brock Purdy performance. No way he had a MVP performance. The fumble by Hurts & Kadarius return were the biggest plays of the night, not anything Mahomes did. (Will credit the long scramble run that got them in FG range) Yet he is GIVEN the MVP so they can sell him as some heroic warrior that carried the team to victory. The team & especially coaching staff stepped up knowing he wasn't going to be able to do his normal routine against a fierce Philly pass rushing defense. Mahomes played well but not great.

[FantasyFreak]

5 years (not counting rookie year)
5 Championship games
5 division titles
5 12 win seasons
5 Pro Bowls
2 MVP, SB and SB MVP

Poster said it well before, no one's really surprised anymore but it's been an unreal start. If anyone is getting anywehre close to Bradys 7 anytime soon, it's Mahomes

Don't think Mahomes deserves either SB MVP. Hurts was the MVP of the SB this year. 2 of Mahomes TD passes were to players who literally weren't covered by anybody. He's great and all, but this is what the NFL wants, and will push, on the margins. A little nudge here and there whenever they can. With Brady gone, it's part of what a successful business model looks like going forward. Mahomes is great, and deserves his praise, but no doubt it's in the NFL's interest to have these all time debates and when in doubt, the winning QB gets the clout.

Not going to get into what I thought of the ending of that game, same as last years, but regardless of Hurts not getting a real chance to counter at the end, he was the clear MVP of that game, but they almost never give it to a losing player. The NFL is entertainment, more than sport now, it's all about making money hand over fist, and Mahomes will continue to get the benefit of the doubt, and any coin flip type decision for a long time.

[FantasyFreak]

Mahomes is reaping the benefits of being Andy Reid's QB. No doubt he's been ridiculously talented but his stats are padded by Reid's play calling (especially when@ the goal line)
Also he's a child of the SUPER HYPE MEDIA ERA that bombard you that he's doing things that have never been done before ( he's not) No look passes & creativity flips were being done long ago. He plays in the softest era for QBs and receivers so the median numbers for QBs across the lg obliterates numbers from the past. He's no more physically gifted than Elway.Just played in a different era & set of rules.

Last night was as easy of a night as Mahomes coulda hoped for. Reid & Bienemy called a great game with plenty of short & intermediate throws to wide open guys. Kind of a Brock Purdy performance. No way he had a MVP performance. The fumble by Hurts & Kadarius return were the biggest plays of the night, not anything Mahomes did. (Will credit the long scramble run that got them in FG range) Yet he is GIVEN the MVP so they can sell him as some heroic warrior that carried the team to victory. The team & especially coaching staff stepped up knowing he wasn't going to be able to do his normal routine against a fierce Philly pass rushing defense. Mahomes played well but not great.

It's the narrative they want to drive because it sells. As I said in my prior post, the NFL's an entertainment business now. Mahomes is the poster child of the league, it makes money to have "heroes", fighting through injury and carrying the team to victory. It's just a variation on all those war movies. North American's love that stuff. It's in the interest of the league to have these guys with the accolades, and I expect the Chiefs and Mahomes to get the close calls, the coin toss stuff that could go either way for many years, because Dynasties, all time greats etc. sell. In this media driven era, with constant sports talk, it just keeps the dollars rolling in.

[StripesOfKC]

5 years (not counting rookie year)
5 Championship games
5 division titles
5 12 win seasons
5 Pro Bowls
2 MVP, SB and SB MVP

Poster said it well before, no one's really surprised anymore but it's been an unreal start. If anyone is getting anywehre close to Bradys 7 anytime soon, it's Mahomes

Don't think Mahomes deserves either SB MVP. Hurts was the MVP of the SB this year. 2 of Mahomes TD passes were to players who literally weren't covered by anybody. He's great and all, but this is what the NFL wants, and will push, on the margins. A little nudge here and there whenever they can. With Brady gone, it's part of what a successful business model looks like going forward. Mahomes is great, and deserves his praise, but no doubt it's in the NFL's interest to have these all time debates and when in doubt, the winning QB gets the clout.

Not going to get into what I thought of the ending of that game, same as last years, but regardless of Hurts not getting a real chance to counter at the end, he was the clear MVP of that game, but they almost never give it to a losing player. The NFL is entertainment, more than sport now, it's all about making money hand over fist, and Mahomes will continue to get the benefit of the doubt, and any coin flip type decision for a long time.

Maybe here's a genius idea...don't hold and you won't get called for it?

No no that's too revolutionary

After all wasn't Josh 'Mr. January' Allen supposed to be in this game? Or did the refs rob him too? Or was it Justin Herbert?

[Jigga94]

The fatigue on Pat's greatness is at absolutely unreal heights right now.

I'd argue that fatigue just got higher lol