The European way to run a team

[ravn88]

I have many times thought, why why why, would this QB get hugh salary, when his worth is below that.
I get they are importent players, but as I see it, it's also offen destorys the team..

A few examples:

Stafford, Flacco and Dalton

Next one:
Dak

For the first time ever, i've heard an "expert" talking about what I'm talking about. (Nick Wright around 3:00)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voc4OARhaKo


I remember the first time, when Flacco took the Ravens to the SB in his contract year, where he steped up his game quit a bit. I was still like, Ravens do not pay this man. They did and had to lose out on other importent players, and the Division for 5 years in a row.
Why not tag Flacco, when all he did was play well one year.

IMO, the Cowboys are in this situation. If they (over)pay Dak, we will look back in a few years and they will have a hard time compete, but they will have their QB. Why not, keep the rest of the team, talentet and at its best and then gamble on the QB.

You dont need the top pick to get a QB that is good enough for Dallas to compete..

What do you think ?

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

There are two main reasons most NFL franchises won't risk letting a potential franchise QB walk:

1. Fan outrage at losing a "franchise player" hurts ticket / merch sales.
2. You're just as likely to end up with the next Case Keenum as you are the next Carson Wentz.

[bjd5211]

The Cowboys would love the "European Way" to be incorporated into the NFL, they would be Real Madrid/Barcelona and just buy all the best players in the world.

I'm a big fan of Nick Wright and have heard him make this suggestion many times and while on paper it makes perfect sense, it would be almost impossible to do in reality.

[ravn88]

The Cowboys would love the "European Way" to be incorporated into the NFL, they would be Real Madrid/Barcelona and just buy all the best players in the world.

I'm a big fan of Nick Wright and have heard him make this suggestion many times and while on paper it makes perfect sense, it would be almost impossible to do in reality.

That would be cool..

Why is it so impossible ? Lets say they draft a Keenum type player, he might work in that offense, because everything is better than he ever had. Then 2 things can happen, he is very bad, and they need to move on a year later - or so. Or they have his whole rookie contract to draft better players (even better QB's) for the team..

Maybe they draft a Wentz type player siting behind Keenum the first year or 2, and then they are set for for his whole career.
after 4-5 years they pay the new Wentz, have him for many years and then they have to start over.

I get that you need a great GM but it looks like they do have just that in Dallas..

Lets see what Ballard are gonna do with my Colts, now that the paid JB 30 Million over 2 years.

[remedy29]

What team has won, have multiple winning seasons, with a below average QB? You need at minimum an average QB to win. Most QBs are drafted round 1. To get a quality QB after round 1, you need to be more lucky than have good scouting.
Without a QB you can build around, you'll forever be chasing to find a quality QB.

It's much easier said than done. Do you think the cowboys can win with Fitzpatrick, Hoyer? I doubt they are good enough to go deep in the playoffs with Dak, who is quality QB.

[Djpal15]

Because...’Merica!

[Huh]

There are two main reasons most NFL franchises won't risk letting a potential franchise QB walk:

1. Fan outrage at losing a "franchise player" hurts ticket / merch sales.
2. You're just as likely to end up with the next Case Keenum as you are the next Carson Wentz.

Infinitely more likely to get case than Carson. The percentage of good QBs is microscopic compared to the amount that wash out. Entire draft classes vanish with only the actual team fans noticing. Where did Jake locker go?

[DLF3000]

2. You're just as likely to end up with the next Case Keenum as you are the next Carson Wentz.

Exactly this ^ It's part of sports - and by extension, fantasy sports.

For every time you guess right on how good a QB or player or team or whatever is, you guess wrong just as much. No one is right all the time, not even "experts".

The Flacco example is easy in hindsight. What about Cousins? What the hell is he in this context? Confusing, that's what!

Even Wentz might be a "bust" if he can't stay on the field, right?

Was Aikman a great QB without a great team around him? Nope. Is Dak so different right now?

Off to the bar to have these great, eternal sports arguments!

[ericanadian]

I have many times thought, why why why, would this QB get hugh salary, when his worth is below that.
I get they are importent players, but as I see it, it's also offen destorys the team..

A few examples:

Stafford, Flacco and Dalton

Next one:
Dak

For the first time ever, i've heard an "expert" talking about what I'm talking about. (Nick Wright around 3:00)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voc4OARhaKo


I remember the first time, when Flacco took the Ravens to the SB in his contract year, where he steped up his game quit a bit. I was still like, Ravens do not pay this man. They did and had to lose out on other importent players, and the Division for 5 years in a row.
Why not tag Flacco, when all he did was play well one year.

IMO, the Cowboys are in this situation. If they (over)pay Dak, we will look back in a few years and they will have a hard time compete, but they will have their QB. Why not, keep the rest of the team, talentet and at its best and then gamble on the QB.

You dont need the top pick to get a QB that is good enough for Dallas to compete..

What do you think ?

Stafford is not the reason the Lions can’t field a functional team, though his cap hit is ridiculous. I’m also not sure how Dalton’s contract is being brought up here. He’s roughly the 17th highest cap hit among QBs and I’m not sure that’s all that far off his value.

[Mjvb5]

Let’s look at playoff teams from last year
AFC
Brady-paid
Pat-rookie
Watson-rookie
Luck-paid
Lamar-rookie BUT still had Flacco eating cap
Rivers-paid

NFC
Goff-rookie
Brees-paid
Dak-rookie
Mitch-rookie
Russ-paid
Wentz/foles-rookie and cheap

So from this half the teams had cheap rookie guys and half of them had at least one pricy qb. We can point to the dalton, Flacco, stafford and how those team can’t win with them but if you hit it the reward is so great with a truly elite qbs ability to keep a team relevant no matter what’s around them. Obviously having an elite qb on a rookie deal is ideal but how many of those are there

[bjd5211]

Let’s look at playoff teams from last year
AFC
Brady-paid
Pat-rookie
Watson-rookie
Luck-paid
Lamar-rookie BUT still had Flacco eating cap
Rivers-paid

NFC
Goff-rookie
Brees-paid
Dak-rookie
Mitch-rookie
Russ-paid
Wentz/foles-rookie and cheap

So from this half the teams had cheap rookie guys and half of them had at least one pricy qb. We can point to the dalton, Flacco, stafford and how those team can’t win with them but if you hit it the reward is so great with a truly elite qbs ability to keep a team relevant no matter what’s around them. Obviously having an elite qb on a rookie deal is ideal but how many of those are there

All those veteran QBs on those playoff teams are on below market deals though (Wilson is no longer).

[ericanadian]

Let’s look at playoff teams from last year
AFC
Brady-paid
Pat-rookie
Watson-rookie
Luck-paid
Lamar-rookie BUT still had Flacco eating cap
Rivers-paid

NFC
Goff-rookie
Brees-paid
Dak-rookie
Mitch-rookie
Russ-paid
Wentz/foles-rookie and cheap

So from this half the teams had cheap rookie guys and half of them had at least one pricy qb. We can point to the dalton, Flacco, stafford and how those team can’t win with them but if you hit it the reward is so great with a truly elite qbs ability to keep a team relevant no matter what’s around them. Obviously having an elite qb on a rookie deal is ideal but how many of those are there

All those veteran QBs on those playoff teams are on below market deals though (Wilson is no longer).

Pretty much all long term deals eventually become below market.

[bjd5211]

Which is when the window to compete opens back up, but in the cases of Brees, Rivers and Brady they took less money on those deals opposed to Luck and Wilsons just being passed by newer deals.

[Mjvb5]

Which is when the window to compete opens back up, but in the cases of Brees, Rivers and Brady they took less money on those deals opposed to Luck and Wilsons just being passed by newer deals.

Brady yes but the other two not really, Brees is still a top 10 QB in contract and when he signed it last year that made him top 5, it’s just been shattered recently and rivers signed his in 2015 to become the #2 highest paid qb. But by saying the window opens back up that acknowledges that paying a qb still has a 2-3 year window which is about what you get with a rookie qb anyway. Qbs typically take 2-3 years of development (sometimes one but that’s typically rare until recently). So to get to that same level of production your back down to a 2-4 year window to compete before they need to be payed which is very similar to the opening you get from paying a vet anyway.

[ArrylT]

https://forum.dynastyleaguefootball.com ... 1&t=183909

While this thread did end up getting locked - I feel plenty of good arguments were made on both sides - so make sure to take a look (just avoid getting this thread locked).