Where does Kyler Murray end up?

[Jfever]

I'm hoping he was just being sarcastic. Normally, I enjoy reading Cult's insightful takes. A 3rd is outlandishly absurd. He must have been just trying to stir the pot.

Rosen is better than what we saw last year. Simple as that. If they like Murray more and are in position to draft him, it isn't entirely a knock on Rosen. Blaming Rosen for the poor overall team performance is too easy and an oversimplification of what really was going on there.

[tresskid84]

This topic is getting much more cloudy as we get closer to the draft . . . Keim is going to be job searching very soon if they pass and Kyler and he proves to be a good/great qb.

[tresskid84]

Vegas odds are -2000 that he will go 1st overall, so they haven't been moved much on him not going first.

[kadun2]

I went with raiders....who knows

[tresskid84]

I went with raiders....who knows

Yep, today we are getting the inevitable reports of teams calling about trading up into 1.

[Jason3123]

Peter King's article said today the Cards could settle for a 3rd. The Cardinals have kind of put themselves in a corner. They don't really have any leverage with Rosen, so I'm sure teams are just calling their bluff. They would be better off just holding Rosen if they can't get a quality pick. He's on that cheap 4/5 year deal. It's like a classic sell low situation. Rosen's value sucks right now. Might as well hang on to him. Murray could easily get injured considering he's the size of a child. Rosen comes in, plays well, value spikes back up, then you sell.

[Cowboysfan33]

I think he'll be a disappointment, personally. I am really hoping the Raiders stay away. Cardinals, I hope.

I do too. I just couldn’t take a QB, that small, early in the draft. Maybe whomever drafts him will move him around, etc. I’m sure they will tailor everything for him but I just don’t see him being a great QB in the NFL, I could easily be wrong.

[Cowboysfan33]

I think some team will trade up to take Murray. I agree with some that they would be better off sticking with Rosen. They have several needs, I would try to acquire more picks and fix other areas.

[Ice]

Murray is going to be a stud and Cards will take him IMO. Think they would be foolish if they pass.

[Vcize]

Seems like a solid plan tbh. Sunk cost fallacy is a crippling mentality.

Right, but it seems really early to declare Rosento be a sunk cost after one half-season in an abysmal situation.

Especially when they moved up to get him. It is not like they moved down and he fell into their lap. They spent extra capital to get to 10 to get Rosen. But the past is the past I guess ...

Sunk cost fallacy.

Don't let past mistakes ruin your future choices. If they think Murray is the best thing for their franchise then what they did last year shouldn't matter.

Look at the Texans. Gave a huge contract to Osweiler than 1 year later absolutely took it over the knee to move on from him and get Watson. Seems to be working out much better than giving Brock another year to get comfortable in the system or whatever nonsense people were using to bash the Texans giving up so much for Watson at the time.

[Phaded]

The whole Kyler Murray rise has me weary of him and I want the Raiders to avoid him - they need D anyhow.

Going from committing to Baseball, to committing to Football, to being projected in the teens to now number one overall.

I feel like Gruden loves Murray and wants him; but Mayock sees the value side and will not let it happen.

[Vcize]

The whole Kyler Murray rise has me weary of him and I want the Raiders to avoid him - they need D anyhow.

Going from committing to Baseball, to committing to Football, to being projected in the teens to now number one overall.

I feel like Gruden loves Murray and wants him; but Mayock sees the value side and will not let it happen.

Baker wasn't projected as the #1 pick until a week or two before the draft last year either, and he was considered the #3 or #4 QB prospect before that.

Heck in January he wasn't even considered a 1st rounder.

ETA: It's actually really normal for this to happen with QBs. If you look at a lot of the QBs that went #1 or #2 overall a lot of them were mocked in the teens or later before April. QBs always rise late.

[Cult of Dionysus]

Cards will be lucky to get a 3rd rounder for Rosen.

This is nonsense. Every team in the NFL would give a 3rd for Rosen even if they don't need a QB.

I was in the midst of a Superflex startup draft and hoping Rosen would fall a few extra rounds... Truth is I think he has a tremendous tool set and looks the part of a NFL QB.

[Phaded]

The whole Kyler Murray rise has me weary of him and I want the Raiders to avoid him - they need D anyhow.

Going from committing to Baseball, to committing to Football, to being projected in the teens to now number one overall.

I feel like Gruden loves Murray and wants him; but Mayock sees the value side and will not let it happen.

Baker wasn't projected as the #1 pick until a week or two before the draft last year either, and he was considered the #3 or #4 QB prospect before that.

Heck in January he wasn't even considered a 1st rounder.

ETA: It's actually really normal for this to happen with QBs. If you look at a lot of the QBs that went #1 or #2 overall a lot of them were mocked in the teens or later before April. QBs always rise late.

I am talking about his entire journey though, not just the singular step you focused on.

In January he was committed to Baseball.

[djeternal2]

Cards will be lucky to get a 3rd rounder for Rosen.

This is nonsense. Every team in the NFL would give a 3rd for Rosen even if they don't need a QB.

I was in the midst of a Superflex startup draft and hoping Rosen would fall a few extra rounds... Truth is I think he has a tremendous tool set and looks the part of a NFL QB.

Thanks for the endorsement of my pick. lol