Would you rather have more elite WR's or RB's

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Would you rather have more elite WR's or RB's

Postby Jcedwards » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:08 am

Currently I would say I have 4 stud (or a very high probability of becoming a stud) RB's (Howard, Mixon, Kamara, and will be Barkley). I have 3 stud WR's (OBJ, M Thomas, Cooper).

I'm currently working on a package of Howard+ for Hilton+. So my question is would you rather have more elite talent at RB or WR (in terms of quantity).
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 14 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Winston / Eli
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Mixon / Aaron Jones / Gio / Corey Grant
WR- OBJ / M Thomas / Cooper / Sanders / Kirk / Gabriel / Taywan Taylor
TE- Ertz / Njoku / Olsen
D/ST- Bears / Bills / Lions
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Re: Would you rather have more elite WR's or RB's

Postby kamihamster » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:21 am

Top RBs score more than top WRs. Once you get to rank 5 or so, the positions flip. WRs tend to have longer shelf life. For me it depends on how I view my team. If I'm rebuilding I hoard WRs, if I'm competing, I sell off a few stud WRs for stud RBs.
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12-team, PPR, 1QB,2RB,3WR,1TE,1FLX
QB: A.Rodgers, C.Keenum
RB: A.Kamara, K.Johnson, D.Freeman, K.Drake, J.Adams, E.McGuire, K.Ballage, T.Montgomery, A.Blue, C.Warren, C.Anderson
WR: O.Beckham, D.Hopkins, C.Kupp, R.Foster, J.Reynolds, Ta.Taylor, A.Wilson, K.Benjamin, C.Meredith, D. Chark, J.Moore, C.Coleman
TE: J.Cook, A.Shaheen, M.Andrews, R.Seals-Jones, A.Firkser, B.Jarwin, R.Tonyan
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12-team, NPPR-6ptTD, 1QB,2RB,3WR,1TE,2FLX,1K,1DST,4IDP
QB: P.Mahomes, J.Goff, M.Mariota
RB: A.Kamara, J.Mixon, D.Cook, S.Michel, D.Guice, J.Conner, M.Breida, J.Wilson, D.Foreman, K.Ballage, J.Kelly, W.Gallman, J.Hill
WR: J.Smith-Schuster, T.Boyd, A.Robinson, L.Fitzgerald, Tw.Taylor, M.Valdes-Scantiling, Jo.Brown, L.Treadwell, J.Moore
TE: E.Engram, A.Hooper
IDP: D.James, N.Vigil, K.Van Noy, M.Jenkins
DST: DAL
K: W.Lutz
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Re: Would you rather have more elite WR's or RB's

Postby Pac_Eddy » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:22 am

Whichever position has the most required starters.
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Re: Would you rather have more elite WR's or RB's

Postby Phaded » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:37 am

This opinion is going to change based on whatever was the higher scoring position the year prior; it's simply a constant back and forth of what have you done for me lately.

A lot of people are reverting back to RB because of a perfect storm between a Gurley outlier and a disapponting year for WRs last year.
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Re: Would you rather have more elite WR's or RB's

Postby Jcedwards » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:08 am

Pac_Eddy wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:22 am
Whichever position has the most required starters.
What is you start the same amount? 2 RBs, 2 WRs, and 1 FLEX
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 14 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Winston / Eli
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Mixon / Aaron Jones / Gio / Corey Grant
WR- OBJ / M Thomas / Cooper / Sanders / Kirk / Gabriel / Taywan Taylor
TE- Ertz / Njoku / Olsen
D/ST- Bears / Bills / Lions
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Re: Would you rather have more elite WR's or RB's

Postby lukkynumber13 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:30 am

Pac_Eddy wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:22 am
Whichever position has the most required starters.
Yup this is a huge part of it.
T1
LUCK, Flacco, J Allen
MIXON, AP, Collins, Ajayi, D Martin, Chase E, R Smith
HILL/DIGGS/KA/EVANS/HILTON, ARob, Sammy, C Davis, Tre'Quan, Ateman, Foster
GRONK, Vance, Herndon, Shaheen
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DL: CHANDLER/CAM JORDAN/FLOWERS, Short, Golden, Addison, Sheard, Larry O
LB: KENDRICKS/WARNER/ZACH C, Schobert, Williamson, R Evans, A Walker, KJW, Bynes, Kyzir
DB: ADDAE/AMOS/SIMMONS, John J, Kazee, TJ Mac, Diggs

T2
RIVERS, Jimmy G, Dalton, Eli, Colt M
GURLEY/DJ/MIXON, Guice, Gus E, J Wilson, Chase E, Ford
NUK/HILL/KA/EVANS/AJG, Golladay, Sammy, J-Wash, R Foster, Patrick, Sherfield, David Moore, J'Mon, JMatt, A Jones
ENGRAM, Doyle, Vance, Herndon, Higbee, Everett, Hollister
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DL: BUCKNER/BARNETT/GRIFFEN/HEYWARD, Golden, Short, Autry, Ogbah, Wolfe, T Bryan, N Spence, Simon
LB: BURFICT/WARNER/HITCHENS, Danny T, KJW, Ebukam, A Walker, Vince W, Morrow, Hodges
DB: GEATHERS/POYER/JOHN J, Diggs, S Williams, Phillips, Kazee, Whitehead

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Re: Would you rather have more elite WR's or RB's

Postby lukkynumber13 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:31 am

Jcedwards wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:08 am
Pac_Eddy wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:22 am
Whichever position has the most required starters.
What is you start the same amount? 2 RBs, 2 WRs, and 1 FLEX
Then I'll prefer RB.

In leagues where you start 2-4 RB but 3-5 WR, I'll typically take the young stud WR over the young stud RB - but in start 2? Give me the RBs all day.
T1
LUCK, Flacco, J Allen
MIXON, AP, Collins, Ajayi, D Martin, Chase E, R Smith
HILL/DIGGS/KA/EVANS/HILTON, ARob, Sammy, C Davis, Tre'Quan, Ateman, Foster
GRONK, Vance, Herndon, Shaheen
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DL: CHANDLER/CAM JORDAN/FLOWERS, Short, Golden, Addison, Sheard, Larry O
LB: KENDRICKS/WARNER/ZACH C, Schobert, Williamson, R Evans, A Walker, KJW, Bynes, Kyzir
DB: ADDAE/AMOS/SIMMONS, John J, Kazee, TJ Mac, Diggs

T2
RIVERS, Jimmy G, Dalton, Eli, Colt M
GURLEY/DJ/MIXON, Guice, Gus E, J Wilson, Chase E, Ford
NUK/HILL/KA/EVANS/AJG, Golladay, Sammy, J-Wash, R Foster, Patrick, Sherfield, David Moore, J'Mon, JMatt, A Jones
ENGRAM, Doyle, Vance, Herndon, Higbee, Everett, Hollister
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DL: BUCKNER/BARNETT/GRIFFEN/HEYWARD, Golden, Short, Autry, Ogbah, Wolfe, T Bryan, N Spence, Simon
LB: BURFICT/WARNER/HITCHENS, Danny T, KJW, Ebukam, A Walker, Vince W, Morrow, Hodges
DB: GEATHERS/POYER/JOHN J, Diggs, S Williams, Phillips, Kazee, Whitehead

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Re: Would you rather have more elite WR's or RB's

Postby Shoreline Steamers » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:06 am

I'd like to have one elite RB! :lol:

I usually don't have a high enough pick to draft them (assuming I'd make the correct selection with the pick(s) I did have). And they're impossible to pry from an owner once they hit.

In general, I think I'd prefer to have more elite RB's due to what is generally a shorter shelf life. If you have a better record of adding WR's that pan out for your squad, you can hold them for several productive years. Usually longer than what you'd get from a RB. More turnover at the RB position from a production perspective means you've got to find top-tier talent more frequently to pair with your elite WR's to stay dominant.

I see it as a balancing act that I've admittedly had a hard time mastering.
14 Team, No-PPR, 20 Man Roster, TD Heavy, TD = 6, FG = 3, Start: 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, (RB/WR/TE), K, D

QB: R. Wilson, L. Jackson
RB: J. Mixon, N. Chubb, L. Miller, I. Crowell, J. Jackson
WR:M. Thomas (N.O.), T.Y. Hilton, A. Jeffery, C. Godwin, D. Pettis, J. Reynolds, D. Cain
TE: T. Kelce, E. Engram, D. Njoku
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Re: Would you rather have more elite WR's or RB's

Postby zoster80 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:56 pm

I play in leagues with big play bonus so the WR's tend to have more 40 yard plays. This is a big factor for me.

I also like to flex WRs because I feel like RB's are game flow dependant. I think WRs have a safer floor unless it's a PPR Scatback or my 3rd is guaranteed touches.
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Zo Nasty -12 Teams, PPR, 24 players - Keep 18
Start QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, TE, Flex, K, DST

QB: Rodgers Keenum, J Rosen
RB: T Gurley, Crowell, Collins, SWare, Foreman, J Allen, J Kelly, Ajayi, P Barber, Ivory
WR: Julio, M. Evans, D. Hopkins, Juju ,K Allen, J Doctson, J Ross, D Smith
TE: Kelce Geiski,
DST: Pitt

2019 Picks
1,3,4,5,6
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PLP - 12 Teams, PPR, 23 Active roster - 4 Taxi - Keep 21 -
Start QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, TE, 2 Flex, K, DST

QB: R Wilson
RB: T Coleman, P Barber, Guice, S. Michel, S ware, J Allen, Lynch, J Adams
WR: A Jeffery, D Baldwin, Godwin, Gallup, Moncrief, Dez, C Coleman, Doctson, M Harris
TE: Vannett, J Butt
DST: Eagles

TAXI:E McGuire, Mark Walton, Jaylen Samuels, ESB
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Re: Would you rather have more elite WR's or RB's

Postby Vcize » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:02 pm

Unless the starting reqs are something crazy unbalanced I will always take the stud RB. WRs just can't put up the raw pts that RBs can.

Gurley's 2017 was really good, but it wasn't even close to the best RB season of all time. But at 25.42ppg, it might be better than any WR season we've seen.

Moss' 23 TD season, Antonio Brown's 136-1800 season, Megatron's 2000 yard season, Rice's 22 TD season, all of these were fewer PPG than Gurley's 2017 which was merely a top 20ish season compared to what RBs have done in the last ~20 years.
Team 1 (12 team standard, q/r/r/w/w/f/t/k/d)
QB: Brees, Dak
RB: Bell, D Johnson, Fournette, Penny, Lynch, Conner, Foreman
WR: Brown, Diggs, Dez, Lockett
TE: Gronk, Graham
K: Tucker
Def: Jags, Texans

Team 2 (12 team PPR, q/r/r/w/w/w/f/t/k/d)
QB: Wilson, Dak
RB: Fournette, Kamara, Michel, Kerryon, Blount
WR: Beckham, Thielen, Enunwa, M Williams, Beasely, Amendola
TE: Eifert, Hooper, Gesicki

Team 3 (12 Team PPR TE Premium, q/r/r/w/w/f/f/t/k/d)
QB: Wentz, Luck
RB: Hunt, Fournette, Ajayi, Kerryon, Lewis, Foreman, Ito, Ballage
WR: OBJ, Cooks, ARob, Lockett, Snead, Westbrook, Pettis
TE: Howard, Herndon

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Re: Would you rather have more elite WR's or RB's

Postby zoster80 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:18 pm

Another big reason I prefer WRs to RBs is that RB's always seem to be fighting for their lives even if they've become established starters...

I seen so many have their value drop drastically from one year to the next just because they bring in a new rookie to replace a guy who had hell of season the year before. A few examples are Ware, Tre Mason, Zac Stacy, Rob Kelly, CJ Anderson, Gio, Jermy Langford, Andre ellignton, Jay Ajayi(when on the fins)...

I know I'm not bringing up hall of famers, but everyone of the guys mentioned above has had a solid year, they probably burned someone who bought high on them to have their replacement drafted the very next year. It's such a volatile situation from year to year and if they get injured they don't have any gurantees get their jobs back. Langford and Ware are examples of this.

WRs on the other hand I feel once they solidify their spot, it's theirs. Even if someone gets drafted, they many times complement them instead of outright replacing them. Will fuller, Sterling Shepard, John Ross are example of this where Nuks, OBJ and AJG value are barely affected by 1st round pick drafted at WR.
Back to Back Champ '17, 18'
Zo Nasty -12 Teams, PPR, 24 players - Keep 18
Start QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, TE, Flex, K, DST

QB: Rodgers Keenum, J Rosen
RB: T Gurley, Crowell, Collins, SWare, Foreman, J Allen, J Kelly, Ajayi, P Barber, Ivory
WR: Julio, M. Evans, D. Hopkins, Juju ,K Allen, J Doctson, J Ross, D Smith
TE: Kelce Geiski,
DST: Pitt

2019 Picks
1,3,4,5,6
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PLP - 12 Teams, PPR, 23 Active roster - 4 Taxi - Keep 21 -
Start QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, TE, 2 Flex, K, DST

QB: R Wilson
RB: T Coleman, P Barber, Guice, S. Michel, S ware, J Allen, Lynch, J Adams
WR: A Jeffery, D Baldwin, Godwin, Gallup, Moncrief, Dez, C Coleman, Doctson, M Harris
TE: Vannett, J Butt
DST: Eagles

TAXI:E McGuire, Mark Walton, Jaylen Samuels, ESB
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Re: Would you rather have more elite WR's or RB's

Postby Vcize » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:00 pm

zoster80 wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:18 pm
I know I'm not bringing up hall of famers, but everyone of the guys mentioned above has had a solid year, they probably burned someone who bought high on them to have their replacement drafted the very next year. It's such a volatile situation from year to year and if they get injured they don't have any gurantees get their jobs back. Langford and Ware are examples of this.

WRs on the other hand I feel once they solidify their spot, it's theirs. Even if someone gets drafted, they many times complement them instead of outright replacing them. Will fuller, Sterling Shepard, John Ross are example of this where Nuks, OBJ and AJG value are barely affected by 1st round pick drafted at WR.
Sure, but the question is whether you would have elite WRs or elite RBs, not whether you'd have elite WRs (Nuk, OBJ, AJG) or solid RBs that put up a decent volume-based year.
Team 1 (12 team standard, q/r/r/w/w/f/t/k/d)
QB: Brees, Dak
RB: Bell, D Johnson, Fournette, Penny, Lynch, Conner, Foreman
WR: Brown, Diggs, Dez, Lockett
TE: Gronk, Graham
K: Tucker
Def: Jags, Texans

Team 2 (12 team PPR, q/r/r/w/w/w/f/t/k/d)
QB: Wilson, Dak
RB: Fournette, Kamara, Michel, Kerryon, Blount
WR: Beckham, Thielen, Enunwa, M Williams, Beasely, Amendola
TE: Eifert, Hooper, Gesicki

Team 3 (12 Team PPR TE Premium, q/r/r/w/w/f/f/t/k/d)
QB: Wentz, Luck
RB: Hunt, Fournette, Ajayi, Kerryon, Lewis, Foreman, Ito, Ballage
WR: OBJ, Cooks, ARob, Lockett, Snead, Westbrook, Pettis
TE: Howard, Herndon

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Re: Would you rather have more elite WR's or RB's

Postby Jcedwards » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:49 am

I know this isn’t the right forum to discuss trades and all, so I’m not going into all the details, but here is the situation in question:

Get rid of Howard (would leave me with Kamara, Mixon, Barkley as main RBs)

Get either Hilton or A-Rob (would leave me with OBJ, M Thomas, Hilton/ A-Rob, Cooper as main WRs)

So it is either 4 elite/ very good RBs and 3 elite/ very good WRs or vice versa. Settings are your normal 2 RBs, 2 WR, 1 FLEX.
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 14 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Winston / Eli
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Mixon / Aaron Jones / Gio / Corey Grant
WR- OBJ / M Thomas / Cooper / Sanders / Kirk / Gabriel / Taywan Taylor
TE- Ertz / Njoku / Olsen
D/ST- Bears / Bills / Lions
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Taxi Squad- Mason Rudolph / Josh Adams / Darrel Williams / Sutton / Coutee / David Moore

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Re: Would you rather have more elite WR's or RB's

Postby prinefan » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:13 am

Something I've been noticing over the past few years. The injuries have been depleting my RB cores much more than my WR cores. Two years ago I had 3 (of 13) teams lose the top 4 RB's due to injuries. Last year I had another team do the same. I've been collecting RB's more lately as a result. It's much easier for me to find WR's on the wire than RB's. Every year when I look at my teams I'm trying to have at least 4 viable starting RB's (fully expecting to lose at least 2 through the season.

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Re: Would you rather have more elite WR's or RB's

Postby IBall2 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:13 am

I would prefer Hilton/Arob over Howard in a 1/2 PPR league like you're in. Howard is one of those RBs that will perennially be around RB15 in scoring due to his lack of pass catching. Arob/Hilton have the ability to be top 5 WRs still.


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