Trading back from 1.02

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Trading back from 1.02

Postby xlur8ed » Fri May 18, 2018 8:51 am

This is for team 1 below.

I have the opportunity to move 1.02 for 1.07 & 1.09. In looking at the roster construction of my league, I feel pretty darn confident in:

1.01 - Barkley (Positive)
1.02 - Guice/Penny (Fairly positive)
1.03 - Penny/Guice (Fairly positive)
1.04 - Rojo/Sony (owner is savvy, but needs QB, don't think he's silly enough to go QB here in 1QB league)
1.05 - Sony/Rojo (owner could go WR here)
1.06 - Chubb (Positive)
1.07 - Open
1.08 - Needs WR badly, doesn't really need RB
1.09 - Open

Knowing I have the ability to achieve 1.07 and 1.09, with 1.08 almost guaranteed to go WR, I could look at sniping Moore with 1.07 before 1.08 takes him (who would then assumingly take Ridley/Sutton), and follow up at 1.09 with Royce Freeman. Or in the event Moore is taken at 1.05, I could take the other left over RB (Sony/Rojo likely) at 1.07, then anticipate Royce Freeman at 1.09?

TL;DR - Thoughts on trading Guice for Moore/Freeman (or realistically could be ROJO or Sony + Freeman). I would consider that worst case, there is always potential someone slips due to preference.

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Team 1: 10 Team - 0.5PPR
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE
QB: Stafford, Rivers
RB: Bell, Collins, Ingram, McKinnon, Guice, Breida
WR: OBJ, ABrown, AJG, Hilton, Hogan, Godwin, MWilliams
TE: Gronk, Walker
2019 Pick: ~1.01

Team 2: 12 Team - 1.0PPR
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
QB: Cousins, Ryan, Keenum
RB: Bell, DJ, Barkley, Gore, Abdullah, Buck Allen, Gillislee, EMcGuire
WR: JNelson, KBenjamin, JMatt, Amendola, GAllison, Decker, Inman, Kearse
TE: Reed, VDavis

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Re: Trading back from 1.02

Postby Goddard » Fri May 18, 2018 8:59 am

Seems like decent value.

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Re: Trading back from 1.02

Postby bot » Fri May 18, 2018 9:02 am

Well I have Moore and Freeman as my 1.05 and 1.06 on my board so I may be the wrong guy to comment here because I think I am higher on Freeman than many but I would prob do that if you are pretty certain you can get those two guys. Worst case for me would be Freeman goes and I'd have to take a player like RoJo who I don;t really want any part of. I guess you can always try and trade back more if the guys you want aren't there. It's a risky trade but one that could work out well if you have a good pulse on the league.
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RB - Barkley, DJ, Chubb, Cohen, Breida, Hines, Hyde, Mostert
WR - OBJ, Allen, Hill, Thielen, Davis, DJax, Tre'Quan, Switzer, Burnett
TE - Kittle, Cook, Jonnu
DL - Bosa, Hunter, Chris Jones, Dunlap, Golden, Hughes, Tyquan
LB - Wagner, Demario, Warner, Kirksey, Burfict, Milano, White, Jatavius, Avery, Za'Darius, Shaq T
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Re: Trading back from 1.02

Postby xlur8ed » Fri May 18, 2018 9:23 am

Playing off my personal opinions, I dont see a chance that Guice, or any rookie will start on this roster for a year or 2, but obviously useful depth is always important.

I'd be happy with any 1 (or 2) of the rookie RBs outside KJohnson. I'm pretty much only interested in Moore our of this class, although I can make an argument for Ridley at 1.09. I feel like i cant be really let down in any situation, but could be thrilled by my option at 1.07 if a QB or WR goes before 1.07.... but level of talent versus Guice is a small concern. With likely 1.01 next year, I feel good with adding a solid WR to my aging WR core next year. But wouldn't mind 1 this year if it presented itself.
Team 1: 10 Team - 0.5PPR
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE
QB: Stafford, Rivers
RB: Bell, Collins, Ingram, McKinnon, Guice, Breida
WR: OBJ, ABrown, AJG, Hilton, Hogan, Godwin, MWilliams
TE: Gronk, Walker
2019 Pick: ~1.01

Team 2: 12 Team - 1.0PPR
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
QB: Cousins, Ryan, Keenum
RB: Bell, DJ, Barkley, Gore, Abdullah, Buck Allen, Gillislee, EMcGuire
WR: JNelson, KBenjamin, JMatt, Amendola, GAllison, Decker, Inman, Kearse
TE: Reed, VDavis

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Re: Trading back from 1.02

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Fri May 18, 2018 9:41 am

I see a large tier drop after Penny and Guice at 1.02 and 1.03. I would pass on this.
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QB: Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Jerick McKinnon, Mark Ingram, Elijah McGuire, Ito Smith, D'Onta Foreman
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Brandin Cooks, Robby Anderson, Adam Humphries, David Moore, Emmanuel Sanders
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Re: Trading back from 1.02

Postby xlur8ed » Fri May 18, 2018 9:52 am

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 9:41 am
I see a large tier drop after Penny and Guice at 1.02 and 1.03. I would pass on this.
Interesting. I see a larger tier after Guice/Penny of pretty much all the big name RB guys (other than KJohnson), with inclusion of Moore in it as well as only WR in the tier.
Team 1: 10 Team - 0.5PPR
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE
QB: Stafford, Rivers
RB: Bell, Collins, Ingram, McKinnon, Guice, Breida
WR: OBJ, ABrown, AJG, Hilton, Hogan, Godwin, MWilliams
TE: Gronk, Walker
2019 Pick: ~1.01

Team 2: 12 Team - 1.0PPR
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
QB: Cousins, Ryan, Keenum
RB: Bell, DJ, Barkley, Gore, Abdullah, Buck Allen, Gillislee, EMcGuire
WR: JNelson, KBenjamin, JMatt, Amendola, GAllison, Decker, Inman, Kearse
TE: Reed, VDavis

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Re: Trading back from 1.02

Postby Ski mask ready » Fri May 18, 2018 10:45 am

i'd be all over penny at 2.
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Lineup: QB, 2 RB, 2WR, TE, flex (rb, wr, te), 2 DL, 2 LB, 3 DB, Flex Defender

QB: Luck, wentz, Floles
RB: DJ, Fournette, Mixon, J Hill, Yeldon, M Jones, C Grant, C.J. Anderson, M. Brown, Smallwood, M. Walton, M. Murphy, D. Williams (KC)
WR: A Brown, M Evans, AJ Green, J. Nelson, K.Stills, J Matthews, M. Bryant, C Conley, M Harris
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Re: Trading back from 1.02

Postby Tobin » Fri May 18, 2018 11:03 am

Where is Michel????
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Start QB,2RB,3WR,TE,1Flex,1K,1DST (25 active roster)
QB: Winston, Mayfield
RB: Elliott, J.McKinnon, A.Jones, J.Allen, C.Carson, E.McGuire, R.Smith
WR: Thomas (NO), D.Adams, Josh Gordon, Hilton, C.Kirk, MVS, R.Anderson, Treadwell, St.Brown, B.Powell
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Re: Trading back from 1.02

Postby xlur8ed » Fri May 18, 2018 11:47 am

Tobin wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 11:03 am
Where is Michel????
What do you mean?!?
Team 1: 10 Team - 0.5PPR
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE
QB: Stafford, Rivers
RB: Bell, Collins, Ingram, McKinnon, Guice, Breida
WR: OBJ, ABrown, AJG, Hilton, Hogan, Godwin, MWilliams
TE: Gronk, Walker
2019 Pick: ~1.01

Team 2: 12 Team - 1.0PPR
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
QB: Cousins, Ryan, Keenum
RB: Bell, DJ, Barkley, Gore, Abdullah, Buck Allen, Gillislee, EMcGuire
WR: JNelson, KBenjamin, JMatt, Amendola, GAllison, Decker, Inman, Kearse
TE: Reed, VDavis

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Re: Trading back from 1.02

Postby Vcize » Fri May 18, 2018 11:52 am

It really depends on how close you view the Kerryon/Freeman tier to that big jumble 2-6 tier. If you think Kerryon or Freeman are close to those guys then it makes sense.

Personally, I think people are underrating the value of 1.02/1.03 this year because they don't like making decisions. Penny and especially Guice are a big step up from someone like Freeman in my opinion but people are stuck in this mindset of "eh, there are a bunch of options that are at least decent, so why bother with the best of those"? People felt the same way years ago when you could just trade back and take Montee Ball while getting something a little extra instead of just staying put and drafting Le'Veon Bell.
Team 1 (12 team standard, q/r/r/w/w/f/t/k/d)
QB: Brees, Dak
RB: Bell, D Johnson, Fournette, Penny, Lynch, Conner, Foreman
WR: Brown, Diggs, Dez, Lockett
TE: Gronk, Graham
K: Tucker
Def: Jags, Texans

Team 2 (12 team PPR, q/r/r/w/w/w/f/t/k/d)
QB: Wilson, Dak
RB: Fournette, Kamara, Michel, Kerryon, Blount
WR: Beckham, Thielen, Enunwa, M Williams, Beasely, Amendola
TE: Eifert, Hooper, Gesicki

Team 3 (12 Team PPR TE Premium, q/r/r/w/w/f/f/t/k/d)
QB: Wentz, Luck
RB: Hunt, Fournette, Ajayi, Kerryon, Lewis, Foreman, Ito, Ballage
WR: OBJ, Cooks, ARob, Lockett, Snead, Westbrook, Pettis
TE: Howard, Herndon

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Re: Trading back from 1.02

Postby xlur8ed » Fri May 18, 2018 12:03 pm

Vcize wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 11:52 am
It really depends on how close you view the Kerryon/Freeman tier to that big jumble 2-6 tier. If you think Kerryon or Freeman are close to those guys then it makes sense.

Personally, I think people are underrating the value of 1.02/1.03 this year because they don't like making decisions. Penny and especially Guice are a big step up from someone like Freeman in my opinion but people are stuck in this mindset of "eh, there are a bunch of options that are at least decent, so why bother with the best of those"? People felt the same way years ago when you could just trade back and take Montee Ball while getting something a little extra instead of just staying put and drafting Le'Veon Bell.
I think you have some absolute truth to your statement. Sprinkle a little reflection on 2017's RB draft class where Hunt/Kamara <=> Fournette and I think I'm falling into a trap I know is there. I 'like' Moore, can't say I'm enamored. I also 'like' all of the RBs outside of Kerryon, while I have had a bit of a mancrush on Guice for months now.

I'm staring at my roster and seeing 2-3 year windows for AJG/AB and really wanting to starting planning for the future. I know I'm stepping down by giving up on Guice/Penny, but am I better rounded in 2-3 years when I need whoever I draft this year to step in with Moore/Freeman or Guice alone. That is the hangup here. Unless Guice/Penny lights the world on fire, I highly doubt they touch a starting lineup this year, potentially even next....
Team 1: 10 Team - 0.5PPR
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE
QB: Stafford, Rivers
RB: Bell, Collins, Ingram, McKinnon, Guice, Breida
WR: OBJ, ABrown, AJG, Hilton, Hogan, Godwin, MWilliams
TE: Gronk, Walker
2019 Pick: ~1.01

Team 2: 12 Team - 1.0PPR
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
QB: Cousins, Ryan, Keenum
RB: Bell, DJ, Barkley, Gore, Abdullah, Buck Allen, Gillislee, EMcGuire
WR: JNelson, KBenjamin, JMatt, Amendola, GAllison, Decker, Inman, Kearse
TE: Reed, VDavis

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Re: Trading back from 1.02

Postby thomasscheeks » Fri May 18, 2018 12:11 pm

Not enough for me
10 Man IDP Dynasty, 14 Keepers (12 overall players, 2 IDP only), .5 ppr, Big Play Bonus, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 2-4 WR, 1-2 TE, 2 DT, 2 LB, 2 DB (doing mini rebuild b/c injuries galore)
QB: Brees, Mayfield, Jackson
RB: Freeman (IR), Guice (IR), A Jones, Drake, Dion, Martin
WR: Thomas, Thielen, ARob, Westbrook, Cole, A Miller, Hamilton, Reynolds
TE: Kittle, Doyle
DL: Bosa (IR), JPP, Ingram
LB: Mack, Schobert, Chubb
DB: Collins, Baker
D/ST: Native Americans

12 Man Dynasty, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR
QB: Flacco, Smith
RB: Freeman, Dion, Cohen, Richard
WR: Thomas, Cooper, Alshon, Callaway, T Taylor, Hogan, JMatt, Gabriel, Hamilton
TE: Kelce, Gesicki
D/ST: Texans, Packers

12 Man Dynasty, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR
QB: Matty Ice, Darnold
RB: Gordon, Hunt, Crowell, Ekeler
WR: Nuk, Davis, M Williams, DJ Moore, Westbrook, Goodwin, T Taylor, Snead, David Moore, Samuel
TE: Kelce, Herndon
D/ST: Jets


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