Kittle Vs Gesicki
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Kittle Vs Gesicki
I have a chance to draft one of these guys in our FA/Rookie draft. As you can see for the team in the signature is a real sore spot. Few years back I thought i had a great one in Eifert but injuries have completely derailed his career right now but still feel he's a hold. So who do we like. Kittle in a Shanahann offense in SF or Gesicki in Mia with his great athleticism.
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Re: Kittle Vs Gesicki
Gesicki, because I think his value is a little higher right now. I don’t mind Kittle either though.
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This is dead even. I like Kittle a little more because of the Garoppolo factor vs the Dolphins who are a mess. That said, Kittle is replaceable talent-wise whereas Gesicki is going to be locked in in Miami. It's close but I think I'm going Kittle right now but that could change as we near the season.
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Re: Kittle Vs Gesicki
I’m all in on Gesicki. My teams across the board are TE needy and he’ll be my target in each rookie draft unless a WR slips to me
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Re: Kittle Vs Gesicki
Gesicki & it’s not close. Kittle gets a slight bump for better QB play in the short-term, but he’s not an NFL level starter, so he won’t maintain that value. & there’s no guarantee that Jimmy G can even keep it up. The dude threw 7 TDs to 5 INTs, so let’s not act like Brady is Kittle’s QB
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Re: Kittle Vs Gesicki
I like Gesicki's talent more long term as well but I think its pretty unfair to say Kittle doesn't have NFL starter talent, he showed more his rookie season than pretty much every TE not named Engram...No he doesn't have the freak Athleticism over Njoku or Howard but guys like Witten or Ertz arent the most athletic either but they still consistently win in the NFL. I really like both of their outlooks and since you have Doyle to backup Eifert then I'd go gesicki for the long term play.TrojanDynasty32 wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 9:27 am Gesicki & it’s not close. Kittle gets a slight bump for better QB play in the short-term, but he’s not an NFL level starter, so he won’t maintain that value. & there’s no guarantee that Jimmy G can even keep it up. The dude threw 7 TDs to 5 INTs, so let’s not act like Brady is Kittle’s QB
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Re: Kittle Vs Gesicki
I have Kittle (behind Gronk and Olsen) and I am targeting Gisecki if he comes to me in the right draft pick but I would not trade Kittle away for Gisecki. Kittle seemed to have good chemistry with Jimmy G in those late season games, we know he has the talent, and I just think Garappolo is a better QB than Tannehill and Kittle will get more red zone looks. (I believe that the TE position has so few reliable weekly starters that grabbing three or four good ones also starves rival teams from having good ones and they end up trading you more value than a player is worth. Last November a rival offered me Brandin Cooks for Engram. I said throw in a second round draft pick for my 4th round pick and he went for it. I am counting on Olsen having some strong early season games and then selling him high to a TE desperate team in September or October. So Kittle will become my backup then to Gronk.)
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Sorry, I just don’t think he really showed that much. He had 5 or more catches twice (once v. The inept Colts the other a 5 for 27 effort v. Car) and over 60 yards twice (again v. Colts & then v. Ram’s practice squad). Most of his catches were off boots and curls. You want to see your TE be able to do more, especially if you’re going to depend on him in Fantasy. Maybe he grows in year 2, but right now, I think it’s important to grab him as a sleeper and not act like there’s guaranteed improvement ahead. I’m just saying, he may have already shown the best he’s got.Titans95 wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 9:32 amI like Gesicki's talent more long term as well but I think its pretty unfair to say Kittle doesn't have NFL starter talent, he showed more his rookie season than pretty much every TE not named Engram...No he doesn't have the freak Athleticism over Njoku or Howard but guys like Witten or Ertz arent the most athletic either but they still consistently win in the NFL. I really like both of their outlooks and since you have Doyle to backup Eifert then I'd go gesicki for the long term play.TrojanDynasty32 wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 9:27 am Gesicki & it’s not close. Kittle gets a slight bump for better QB play in the short-term, but he’s not an NFL level starter, so he won’t maintain that value. & there’s no guarantee that Jimmy G can even keep it up. The dude threw 7 TDs to 5 INTs, so let’s not act like Brady is Kittle’s QB
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Re: Kittle Vs Gesicki
I'm not sure why there's such Kittle hate on this thread. For the record I prefer Kittle over Gesicki. For starters, Kittle now has a year of NFL experience. TE's, as I'm sure everyone knows, are notorious for slow development. Him having that experience will allow him to develop into a fantasy relevant player a year sooner than Gesicki can. Kittle doesn't have a lot of competition for targets in the same way that Gesicki does. While I'm not as in awe of the 49ers offense as a lot of folks appear to be, that offense does seem more stable than does the Miami offense, given that we're not really sure what Tannehill will be like returning from injury. I realize that we don't really know what Jimmy G will be either, but at least we can dream of his upside being higher than what Tannehill has achieved.
And finally, Kittle is super athletic. Here's the link to his playerprofiler page that shows his athleticism.
https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/george-kittle/
In case someone doesn't want to click the link, he has a SPARQ score in the 89th percentile. For comparison Njoku has a SPARQ score in the 81st percentile. So let's stop saying he's not athletic. The only real knock you can find on his playerprofiler page is that he has a low breakout age, but that doesn't concern me as much at the TE position.
And finally, Kittle is super athletic. Here's the link to his playerprofiler page that shows his athleticism.
https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/george-kittle/
In case someone doesn't want to click the link, he has a SPARQ score in the 89th percentile. For comparison Njoku has a SPARQ score in the 81st percentile. So let's stop saying he's not athletic. The only real knock you can find on his playerprofiler page is that he has a low breakout age, but that doesn't concern me as much at the TE position.
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Don’t understand the hate on kittle here. Good #s for a rookie te. I don’t see him ever being a top 3 dynasty te, but maybe more along the lines of what Dennis Pitta offered FF owners. Shanahan has proven in the past that tight ends will be used in his system.
Not sure of gesicki in Miami. Besides Julius Thomas having a solid 2 year stretch in Denver, gase has never really focused on tes in his offense
Not sure of gesicki in Miami. Besides Julius Thomas having a solid 2 year stretch in Denver, gase has never really focused on tes in his offense
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I never understand when people expect WR and TE to come into the league and immediately start producing....It is so extremely rare for a TE to become fantasy relevant until year 3 or 4. Kittle showed more than any other rookie TE not named Engram. He has show more than every TE that isn't named Engram....in what is supposed to be one of the best TE classes in a decade. More receptions and more yards. How is that not showing enough to be excited for growth in the future? He's 6'4 and ran a 4.52 and is in the 89th percentile in sparq score and out produce all but one rookie TE.TrojanDynasty32 wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 2:09 pmSorry, I just don’t think he really showed that much. He had 5 or more catches twice (once v. The inept Colts the other a 5 for 27 effort v. Car) and over 60 yards twice (again v. Colts & then v. Ram’s practice squad). Most of his catches were off boots and curls. You want to see your TE be able to do more, especially if you’re going to depend on him in Fantasy. Maybe he grows in year 2, but right now, I think it’s important to grab him as a sleeper and not act like there’s guaranteed improvement ahead. I’m just saying, he may have already shown the best he’s got.Titans95 wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 9:32 amI like Gesicki's talent more long term as well but I think its pretty unfair to say Kittle doesn't have NFL starter talent, he showed more his rookie season than pretty much every TE not named Engram...No he doesn't have the freak Athleticism over Njoku or Howard but guys like Witten or Ertz arent the most athletic either but they still consistently win in the NFL. I really like both of their outlooks and since you have Doyle to backup Eifert then I'd go gesicki for the long term play.TrojanDynasty32 wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 9:27 am Gesicki & it’s not close. Kittle gets a slight bump for better QB play in the short-term, but he’s not an NFL level starter, so he won’t maintain that value. & there’s no guarantee that Jimmy G can even keep it up. The dude threw 7 TDs to 5 INTs, so let’s not act like Brady is Kittle’s QB
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Close, but I'll take Kittle. He showed well last year and I expect him to outscore Gesicki next year, which will keep his value higher.
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Glad to see everyone finally joining my Kittle Klub. Been touting since the day SF drafted him. Was hid in the Iowa offense but uber effective when thrown to as a Hawkeye.
Told all that he would run Ol' MacDonald off the farm (probably a pot one in NoCal ) with his bloated contract from the previous regime.
That being said Gesicki is with Engram in the next level of athleticism. It just remains to be seen how the coordinator uses them. Kittle is a more athletic Witten. Technician who needs to be in sync with his QB. So far it looks as if he has Jimmy G's trust, especially in the clutch. I expect him to get even better and fringe top 5 guy every year.
Geisicki if he picks up his craft can be a Gronkesque type TE .Could be a Brandon Marshall with a TE designation. Nightmare matchup if Gase & Loggains decide to be creative in moving him around the formation. Might be Miami's number one weapon as a rookie.
For that reason I would go swim with the Dolphin.
Told all that he would run Ol' MacDonald off the farm (probably a pot one in NoCal ) with his bloated contract from the previous regime.
That being said Gesicki is with Engram in the next level of athleticism. It just remains to be seen how the coordinator uses them. Kittle is a more athletic Witten. Technician who needs to be in sync with his QB. So far it looks as if he has Jimmy G's trust, especially in the clutch. I expect him to get even better and fringe top 5 guy every year.
Geisicki if he picks up his craft can be a Gronkesque type TE .Could be a Brandon Marshall with a TE designation. Nightmare matchup if Gase & Loggains decide to be creative in moving him around the formation. Might be Miami's number one weapon as a rookie.
For that reason I would go swim with the Dolphin.
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