Multiple Blockbuster Offers from notorious lowballer
Multiple Blockbuster Offers from notorious lowballer
I'm in a league with an owner that continually sends "instant reject"/ "take your time so you don't accidentally hit accept" level offers. I call him out, he runs a twitter poll to prove me wrong, and it ends in 90/10, 80/20 etc.
Recently he's been sending offers that aren't terribly one sided. I want to get the forums opinion, as mine is tainted from previous offers. Here are some offers I've rejected in the last couple weeks. Most revolve around Hopkins, Cooper, Davis, and early picks.
It is a 1QB, 1/2 ppcarry, te premium, full idp. I'm rebuilding, he's coming off a runner-up season.
Offer A
I get Hopkins & '20 1st
I give Cooper, Davis, 1.03
Offer B
I get Hopkins, Diggs (I don't care for Diggs much)
I give Cooper, Davis, 1.01, and 3.01
Offer C
I get Hopkins, Mixon
I give Cooper, Davis, 1.01
Offer D
I get Hopkins
I give 1.01, 1.03, 1.04
I realize these aren't instant rejects, but I feel each one has the value on my side. Am I crazy for turning any/all of these down?
Recently he's been sending offers that aren't terribly one sided. I want to get the forums opinion, as mine is tainted from previous offers. Here are some offers I've rejected in the last couple weeks. Most revolve around Hopkins, Cooper, Davis, and early picks.
It is a 1QB, 1/2 ppcarry, te premium, full idp. I'm rebuilding, he's coming off a runner-up season.
Offer A
I get Hopkins & '20 1st
I give Cooper, Davis, 1.03
Offer B
I get Hopkins, Diggs (I don't care for Diggs much)
I give Cooper, Davis, 1.01, and 3.01
Offer C
I get Hopkins, Mixon
I give Cooper, Davis, 1.01
Offer D
I get Hopkins
I give 1.01, 1.03, 1.04
I realize these aren't instant rejects, but I feel each one has the value on my side. Am I crazy for turning any/all of these down?
Re: Multiple Blockbuster Offers from notorious lowballer
I’d take a long hard look at offer 1 and would probably pull the trigger. As a Hopkins owner I’d need this type of return for just Hopkins. The pick on top is nice. Admittedly I’m much lower on Cooper than most.
12 Team Dynasty | [12 x 24] | 2015 Runner Up | 2016 Runner Up | 2020 Champion
.5 PPR | QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, FLEX, K, DEF
|QB| Kyler, Dak
|RB| Cook, Chubb, JRob, Jacobs, Pollard, Mattison, Jeff Wilson, Gallman, Ty’Son, Tony Jones, Rountree
|WR| DK, AJB, Nuk, Viska, Bryan Edwards
|TE| Kelce, Friarmuth
|K| Bass
|DEF| Pittsburgh
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.5 PPR | QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, FLEX, K, DEF
|QB| Kyler, Dak
|RB| Cook, Chubb, JRob, Jacobs, Pollard, Mattison, Jeff Wilson, Gallman, Ty’Son, Tony Jones, Rountree
|WR| DK, AJB, Nuk, Viska, Bryan Edwards
|TE| Kelce, Friarmuth
|K| Bass
|DEF| Pittsburgh
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Re: Multiple Blockbuster Offers from notorious lowballer
Offer one is the closest but these are all pretty bad. You didn't post your roster but I can't see a scenario where any of these make sense. He's asking for an extra big piece in each one.
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Re: Multiple Blockbuster Offers from notorious lowballer
Offer 1 is the only one close. How many firsts do you have? I’d rather hang on to them and draft RB heavy to go with Cooper and Davis.
TEAM 1 - 10 team SF 1PPR | 2017 & 2019 League Champ
1QB/1SF/2RB/2WR/1TE/2FLEX
QB: Dak - Hurts - DangeRuss - Tua - Z Wilson - Mills
RB: Barkley - Zeke - Sanders - Pollard - Patterson - D’Ernest - Jermar - Evans - Jones
WR: Hill - JJeff - Higgins - Hollywood - MThom(IR) - Godwin(IR) - E Moore - Marshall Jr - Calloway - Palmer - D Brown
TE: Hock - Moreau
1QB/1SF/2RB/2WR/1TE/2FLEX
QB: Dak - Hurts - DangeRuss - Tua - Z Wilson - Mills
RB: Barkley - Zeke - Sanders - Pollard - Patterson - D’Ernest - Jermar - Evans - Jones
WR: Hill - JJeff - Higgins - Hollywood - MThom(IR) - Godwin(IR) - E Moore - Marshall Jr - Calloway - Palmer - D Brown
TE: Hock - Moreau
Re: Multiple Blockbuster Offers from notorious lowballer
I would pull the trigger on offer A, getting Hopkins for Davis, 1.3, and Cooper unless your team was a revuilder very much needing multiple assets rather than a stud
As you could tell from my team 1, I heavily prioritze studs however
As you could tell from my team 1, I heavily prioritze studs however
Team 1- 10 team ppr, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flx, 1D, 1K
2022: 1-8
Finishes: 6th, 6th, 1st, 5th, 6th, 9th
QB: Lamar Jackson, Purdy
RB: Bijan, Dobbins, Achane, Charbonnet, Algier, McBride, waiver trash
WR: JSN, QJ, Addison, Dotson, Skyy Moore, Jameson Williams, Hyatt, T Dell, Boutte, Skowronek, Quez Watkins, Greg Dortch, waiver trash
TE: Hockenson, F Monroe, Juwan, Musgrave
D/K: Patriots, Vikings, Saints, Dicker
picks-
2024- 1,1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,4,5,5
2025 1,1,1,2,3,4,5
team 2- 12 team SF, .5PPR, .5TE boost, 1QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
2022: 8-1
Finishes: 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd
QB: Ljax, GenoD Jones, Minshew, Dobbs
RB: CMC, Stevenson, A Jones, Chubb, A Mattison, D cook, Perine, Mckinnon,
WR:Tyreek, Diggs, C Kupp, D Adams, Keenan Allen, Lockett, Gallup, A Lazard, Hodgins
TE: Kelce, LaPorta, Irv Smith,
No picks until 2026 5th rounder lol
2022: 1-8
Finishes: 6th, 6th, 1st, 5th, 6th, 9th
QB: Lamar Jackson, Purdy
RB: Bijan, Dobbins, Achane, Charbonnet, Algier, McBride, waiver trash
WR: JSN, QJ, Addison, Dotson, Skyy Moore, Jameson Williams, Hyatt, T Dell, Boutte, Skowronek, Quez Watkins, Greg Dortch, waiver trash
TE: Hockenson, F Monroe, Juwan, Musgrave
D/K: Patriots, Vikings, Saints, Dicker
picks-
2024- 1,1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,4,5,5
2025 1,1,1,2,3,4,5
team 2- 12 team SF, .5PPR, .5TE boost, 1QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
2022: 8-1
Finishes: 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd
QB: Ljax, GenoD Jones, Minshew, Dobbs
RB: CMC, Stevenson, A Jones, Chubb, A Mattison, D cook, Perine, Mckinnon,
WR:Tyreek, Diggs, C Kupp, D Adams, Keenan Allen, Lockett, Gallup, A Lazard, Hodgins
TE: Kelce, LaPorta, Irv Smith,
No picks until 2026 5th rounder lol
Re: Multiple Blockbuster Offers from notorious lowballer
All of those are still pretty bad albeit not egregiously so
Team 1 - 12 team PPR
QB: MRyan, MJones, CNewton, RFitz
RB: SBarkley, DSwift, CAkers, JMixon, AJDillon, LMurray, DarWilliams, GBernard
WR: SDiggs, ACooper, BAiyuk, JJones, LShenault, BCooks, KToney, KHamler, VJefferson
TE: JSmith, ISmith, ZErtz
Team 2 - 16 team, PPR, SF
QB: JBurrow, CWentz, ZWilson, Jimmy G
RB: SBarkley, DSwift, CAkers, BSnell, TGurley, DGuice
WR: JChase, BAiyuk, CSutton, THiggins, JJeudy, JReagor, BEdwards
TE: ISmith, HarBryant, DSample, TTremble
QB: MRyan, MJones, CNewton, RFitz
RB: SBarkley, DSwift, CAkers, JMixon, AJDillon, LMurray, DarWilliams, GBernard
WR: SDiggs, ACooper, BAiyuk, JJones, LShenault, BCooks, KToney, KHamler, VJefferson
TE: JSmith, ISmith, ZErtz
Team 2 - 16 team, PPR, SF
QB: JBurrow, CWentz, ZWilson, Jimmy G
RB: SBarkley, DSwift, CAkers, BSnell, TGurley, DGuice
WR: JChase, BAiyuk, CSutton, THiggins, JJeudy, JReagor, BEdwards
TE: ISmith, HarBryant, DSample, TTremble
Re: Multiple Blockbuster Offers from notorious lowballer
My team,
Watson, Bortles
Backup/3rd string RBs.... no one worth mentioning
Cooper, Davis, Shepard, Crowder, Doctson, M. Williams, Moncrief
Howard, Eifert, Higby
1.01, 1.03-1.06, 1.10-1.12, handful of picks in each round after that.
Watson, Bortles
Backup/3rd string RBs.... no one worth mentioning
Cooper, Davis, Shepard, Crowder, Doctson, M. Williams, Moncrief
Howard, Eifert, Higby
1.01, 1.03-1.06, 1.10-1.12, handful of picks in each round after that.
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Re: Multiple Blockbuster Offers from notorious lowballer
geez offer A is the closest but i just can't get behind any of these. Id give up 1.03 1.04 & davis OR cooper for hopkins....easy lol
12 Team PPR , 1QB 2WR 2RB 2FLEX(not sf) 1TE 1 DEF 1PK, Dynasty
Team 1
QB-R.Wilson, J.Winston
RB-A.Jones,M.Gordon,DavidJohnson,M.Ingram,Lev Bell,K.Juszczyk,T. Sermon
WR-K.Allen, J.Jefferson, DJ Moore, B.Aiyuk, R.Anderson,J.Reynolds, T.Smith,M.Williams,J.Gordon
TE- N.Fant,H.Hurst,M.Gesicki,T.Eifert
Team 2
QB- L. Jackson,R. Fitz,N. Foles
RB- A.Jones,L.Fournette,N. Hines, F.Gore, J.Howard, Jamal Williams, ETN
WR- J.Jones, J Jefferson, DK Metcalf, Kenny Golladay, W.Fuller, T.Boyd, M.Gallup,M.Hardman ,S.Shepard, J.Gordon, J.Ross,J.Hurd(TS)
TE- H.Henry, H. Hurst, I.Thomas, T.Eifert
Team 1
QB-R.Wilson, J.Winston
RB-A.Jones,M.Gordon,DavidJohnson,M.Ingram,Lev Bell,K.Juszczyk,T. Sermon
WR-K.Allen, J.Jefferson, DJ Moore, B.Aiyuk, R.Anderson,J.Reynolds, T.Smith,M.Williams,J.Gordon
TE- N.Fant,H.Hurst,M.Gesicki,T.Eifert
Team 2
QB- L. Jackson,R. Fitz,N. Foles
RB- A.Jones,L.Fournette,N. Hines, F.Gore, J.Howard, Jamal Williams, ETN
WR- J.Jones, J Jefferson, DK Metcalf, Kenny Golladay, W.Fuller, T.Boyd, M.Gallup,M.Hardman ,S.Shepard, J.Gordon, J.Ross,J.Hurd(TS)
TE- H.Henry, H. Hurst, I.Thomas, T.Eifert
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Re: Multiple Blockbuster Offers from notorious lowballer
If your rebuilding id stick with your combo of young receivers and high draft picks and build that way. Most likely Hopkins won’t single handedly rebuild your squad
Team 1
10 TM .5 PPR, 6 pt all TDs 1/2/3/1/2Flex
Newton, Rivers
LF, Chubb, Michel, Kerryon, Hyde, AJones, Royce F, Crowell
Adams, Cooper, Alshon, Watkins, ARob, Fuller, Doctson, Funchess, Gallup, Pettis, Valdez-Scant
Gronk, HHenry, Engram
1.09, 2.09, 3.09, 4.09, 5.09
Team 2
10 TM 1/2/3/1/1Flex 6pt all TDs .25 PPR RB, .5 PPR WR, 1 PPR TE
Wilson, Big Ben
Bell, JConner, MMack, Shady, CThompson, D'Onta Foreman, C Edmonds, B Scarborough
Julio, Nuk, Fuller, Cooks, ARob, Watkins, Cooper, SShepard, CDavis, DJ Chark
Kelce, Olsen, Andrews
1.09, 2.09, 3.09, 4.09, 5.09
Team 3
10 team, 0.5 PPR RBs WRs, 1 PPR TEs, Devy Superflex League
Carr, Goff, Falk
Barkley, Dalvin, Mixon, Michel, Ballage, MDavis, Dixon, Akers*
Hopkins, JuJu, Watkins, Fuller, Agholor, Moncrief, EQSB, Valdez-Scant, CRogers
Eifert, Ebron, JJames, JCook
1.02, 2.02, 2.06, 3.04
Played against David Johnson in HS, he was a stud back then too
10 TM .5 PPR, 6 pt all TDs 1/2/3/1/2Flex
Newton, Rivers
LF, Chubb, Michel, Kerryon, Hyde, AJones, Royce F, Crowell
Adams, Cooper, Alshon, Watkins, ARob, Fuller, Doctson, Funchess, Gallup, Pettis, Valdez-Scant
Gronk, HHenry, Engram
1.09, 2.09, 3.09, 4.09, 5.09
Team 2
10 TM 1/2/3/1/1Flex 6pt all TDs .25 PPR RB, .5 PPR WR, 1 PPR TE
Wilson, Big Ben
Bell, JConner, MMack, Shady, CThompson, D'Onta Foreman, C Edmonds, B Scarborough
Julio, Nuk, Fuller, Cooks, ARob, Watkins, Cooper, SShepard, CDavis, DJ Chark
Kelce, Olsen, Andrews
1.09, 2.09, 3.09, 4.09, 5.09
Team 3
10 team, 0.5 PPR RBs WRs, 1 PPR TEs, Devy Superflex League
Carr, Goff, Falk
Barkley, Dalvin, Mixon, Michel, Ballage, MDavis, Dixon, Akers*
Hopkins, JuJu, Watkins, Fuller, Agholor, Moncrief, EQSB, Valdez-Scant, CRogers
Eifert, Ebron, JJames, JCook
1.02, 2.02, 2.06, 3.04
Played against David Johnson in HS, he was a stud back then too
Re: Multiple Blockbuster Offers from notorious lowballer
I actually kinda like the first 3 offers. You can always counter and add something to his side or remove a piece from yours.
Re: Multiple Blockbuster Offers from notorious lowballer
I have tried countering multiple times. A couple times, I've actually countered one of the above offers. He rejects. Then a couple days later has sent back the same offer, but this time with me giving up an additional player(s). Lol.
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Re: Multiple Blockbuster Offers from notorious lowballer
They all favor him. First one isn't terrible though. I would keep what you have and draft.
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15/17/19/21 Champ
SF/PPR
QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/flex/SF
Mahomes/TLAW/Fields
N. Harris/J. Williams/Gibbs/CEH/A. Jones/Hubbard/Haskins/Ingram
Kupp/Jefferson/Chase/Lamb/Hopkins/MT/Watson/Dotson/
Kelce/Hurst
15/17/19/21 Champ
SF/PPR
QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/flex/SF
Mahomes/TLAW/Fields
N. Harris/J. Williams/Gibbs/CEH/A. Jones/Hubbard/Haskins/Ingram
Kupp/Jefferson/Chase/Lamb/Hopkins/MT/Watson/Dotson/
Kelce/Hurst
Re: Multiple Blockbuster Offers from notorious lowballer
I think the first offer is a damn-near snap-accept. I value Davis at about 1.03 in this draft and Cooper around a mid 1st. 1.03 + 1.03 + 1.06 is a steal for the best WR in dynasty, plus you get to keep the 1.01 and get a free 1st in 2020. I can think of a helluva lot worse pieces to build around than Nuk and Barkley.
Look at it this way:
Nuk is what you hope Cooper or Davis can become.
Saquon is what you hope the leftover RB you draft at 1.03 can become.
The 2020 1st is just gravy.
Look at it this way:
Nuk is what you hope Cooper or Davis can become.
Saquon is what you hope the leftover RB you draft at 1.03 can become.
The 2020 1st is just gravy.
Both are 12-team 1QB PPR dynasties
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QB: Hurts, Howell
RB: Mixon, Jones, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Roschon, Dowdle, Kelley
WR: Nuk, Godwin, Cooper, Lockett, Flowers, Chark, Collins, Hollins, Tillman, Tolbert
TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
Taxi: Willis, Z. White, M. Mims, T. Palmer
Hull Awaits
$450 cap, 60 contract years
QB: Lawrence $5/3, Richardson $5/5, Minshew $1/0, Jones $1/0, Heinicke $1/0, Tyrod $1/0
RB: Achane $4/4, Warren $2/4, Roschon $7/5, Dillon $4/1, Hubbard $2/1, Kelley $1/0
WR: Nuk $78/1, MT $25/1, M. Williams $1/0, JSN $21/5, Reed $4/5, Rice $4/5, M. Wilson $2/5
TE: Thomas $1/0, Hill $1/0, Parham $1/0
🦬PRIME🦬
QB: Hurts, Howell
RB: Mixon, Jones, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Roschon, Dowdle, Kelley
WR: Nuk, Godwin, Cooper, Lockett, Flowers, Chark, Collins, Hollins, Tillman, Tolbert
TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
Taxi: Willis, Z. White, M. Mims, T. Palmer
Hull Awaits
$450 cap, 60 contract years
QB: Lawrence $5/3, Richardson $5/5, Minshew $1/0, Jones $1/0, Heinicke $1/0, Tyrod $1/0
RB: Achane $4/4, Warren $2/4, Roschon $7/5, Dillon $4/1, Hubbard $2/1, Kelley $1/0
WR: Nuk $78/1, MT $25/1, M. Williams $1/0, JSN $21/5, Reed $4/5, Rice $4/5, M. Wilson $2/5
TE: Thomas $1/0, Hill $1/0, Parham $1/0
Re: Multiple Blockbuster Offers from notorious lowballer
I value cooper a bit higher than that. I look at cooper + davis = Hopkins. With this roster and settings, I lean cooper/Davis. Other leagues I'd prefer Hopkins. 1.03 is way better than what's likely a later 1st 2 yrs from now.
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Re: Multiple Blockbuster Offers from notorious lowballer
I'd near take offer A, maybe counter by moving the 1.03 to 1.06 but I'd think about it. The other 2 are rubbish unless you remonce the 1.01 from them
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