Should this be Vetoed?

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Should this be Vetoed?

Postby The Fantasy Feud » Thu May 03, 2018 6:07 am

First off, I am a major hater of vetoing.

But this guy has a history of trade raping people because the league has a couple of people not very good at dynasty football. However, this is the third year of the league and youd think they would have learned by now, right?

Wrong.

This guy just made the following trade with one of the worst teams that already has no future. Niw he has even less of a future.

Best team in league: Gave Dez Bryant, OJ Howard

One of the worst: Gave 1.4 and Funchess

I dont want this league to become a crapshoot, is this veto worthy?
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Re: Should this be Vetoed?

Postby bigbuck22 » Thu May 03, 2018 6:10 am

Funchess=Howard so it's basically Dez for 1.4 which is obviously not fair value. I hate the idea of a veto though. I don't think this is quite bad enough to pull that card.

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Re: Should this be Vetoed?

Postby BucFanJKE » Thu May 03, 2018 6:10 am

It doesn't look veto worthy to me. It's bad, but not veto bad.

The only time you can call something veto worthy would be something like an Odell for a 3rd round rookie pick.
Team 1-
SF .5 PPR TE Prem (1Q, 1SF, 2R, 2W, 1T, 3WRT)
QB- Richardson, Dak, Watson, Bennett, Zappe
RB- Achane, Mixon, Ekeler, Javonte Williams, Mostert, Dobbins, Gibson, Bigsby, Spears, Gainwell
WR- Chase, Lamb, London, Pittman, QJ, Bateman, MT, OBJ, Skyy
TE- Freiermuth, Kincaid, Chig, Fant, Musgrave, Woods, Bellinger
1.07, 3.04, 4.07

Team 2-
.5 PPR TE Prem (1Q, 2 R, 3W, 1 T, 3 WRT)
QB: J. Allen, Kyler, Stroud
RB: CMC, Bijan, Gibbs, JT, Breece Hall, Kamara, Gibson, 4nette
WR: Diggs, Hill, AJB, Aiyuk, London, JSN, Hollywood, M.Mims, Meyers, Shaheed
TE: Kelce, Kyle Pitts, Dulcich, Logan Thomas
2024: 2 1st (one top 3), 4th

Team 3- (Adopted Dumpster Orphan)
.5 PPR TE Prem (1Q, 2 R, 3W, 1 T, 3 WRT)
QB: J. Allen, Dak, Young
RB: Gibbs, Hall, J. Cook, Warren, Bigsby, K. Mitchell, Dobbins, D. Cook,
WR: Lamb, Wilson, Olave, Higgins, London, JSN, Bateman, Wan'Dale, Z. Jones, Hyatt
TE: Kittle, Kincaid, Woods, Likely
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Re: Should this be Vetoed?

Postby BigBawseRoss » Thu May 03, 2018 6:10 am

no, also if you are in leagues where the comp isnt good enough then i would find leagues thru here (theres a sub forum for finding owners or leagues) with people who are more die hard about it, and then make that league your fun league

I had 2 leagues (both like yours with really bad or inactive owners) and now im in 10 or so since finding people thru this site, all much much better.
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram

2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,


1,2,3,3,5

team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson

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Re: Should this be Vetoed?

Postby JJRules » Thu May 03, 2018 6:11 am

No.
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Keep any number of players (0-15), lose same number of draft picks
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QB: Dak, Watson
RB: Swift, Robinson Jr, Singletary, Brown, Hubbard, Zeus, Herbert
WR: Wilson, Olave, Pickens, Aiyuk
TE: Pitts, LaPorta
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Re: Should this be Vetoed?

Postby Dusticlez1 » Thu May 03, 2018 6:16 am

Hard to say anything is veto-worthy without collusion involved (can’t call it rape if they consent), and I feel like every league has those mis-informed, bad owners that make horrible moves like this during a rebuild. I would definitely inform the Commish that these inexperienced owners are bad for the league and see if he can talk a little sense into them. Ensure that the trade partners are, in fact, 2 different owners and then make sure they aren’t incahoots...it all starts with an active Commish. The Commish needs to step in and inform the blind a little. Give them some helpful tips about rebuilding or direct them to some podcasts or websites that can help...I Commish a league where an owner once gave a 1st for McClown and the next year gave a 1st for James Jones, it happens...it took 3 years, but I think he’s finally got a grasp on the whole dynasty thing....and a 4 year rebuild lol

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QB: ARod/Geno/JimmyG
RB: Gibbs/Hines
WR: AJB/Hopkins/StBrown/Kirk/Dotson/Juju/Lockett
TE: Kelce/Kmet/Knox

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QB: Lamar/JimmyG/Baker
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Re: Should this be Vetoed?

Postby skip » Thu May 03, 2018 6:20 am

Every league has each of these owners and I think you already know the answer without even having to ask it.
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Re: Should this be Vetoed?

Postby fantasyhermit » Thu May 03, 2018 6:21 am

It's a bad trade but far from veto worthy.
Team 1:
12 team SF PPR/2PPR TE Prem, .2 ppc
Q-SF-R-W-F-F-F-F-T-T
QB: Wilson, Cousins, Fitz, Flacco, Lock
RB: Jacobs, CEH, DJ, Dillon, Michel, Royce, Lewis, Bruce Anderson, Gus, Warren
WR: MT, Amari, Kupp, Pittman, Miller, Agholor, John Brown, Enunwa, Foster, Wilson, Preston Williams, AB
TE: Kelce, Kittle, Tonyan, Davis, Dissly, Knox, T.Moss


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Q-SF-R-R-W-W-F-F-T-T-D-K-IDP-IDP PPR
QB: Mahomes, TLaw, Darnold, Bridgewater
RB: Zeke, Swift, Singletary, Dillon, Mack, Penny, LMurray
WR: MT, DJ Moore, Sutton, Slayton, Tyler Boyd, Mims, Edwards, Van Jefferson, Miller
TE: Gesicki, Hooper, Knox
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Re: Should this be Vetoed?

Postby pierson242 » Thu May 03, 2018 6:30 am

No it should not
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Re: Should this be Vetoed?

Postby FantasyFoosball » Thu May 03, 2018 6:34 am

Awful trade. But not veto worthy I would say. Does your league have a rule regarding this situation? If not I might think about instituting one. For example, if a certain percentage of teams vote against the trade, then it would be vetoed. But for you to make the decision on your own, I would say no.
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2018: Champions!
2019: Champions!!
2020: 2nd Place
2021: Loss in Semis
2022: Champions!!!
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1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/TE, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 3 DL/LB/DB

QB - Mahomes
RB - CMC, White, Sanders, Herbert, Foreman, McKinnon
WR - Diggs, Ridley, Godwin, KJ Osborn, Woods, Claypool, Campbell
TE - Kittle, Goedert, Gesicki
K - Bass
DL - Reddick, Jones, M. Sweat
LB - R. Smith, Wagner, Leonard, White, Perryman, Cashman
DB - Byard, Bell, Hobbs, Jenkins

2024: 3rd

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2020: 4th Place
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QB - Allen, Carr, Mayfield, Trask, Zappe
RB - Harris, Gibson, Herbert, K. Miller, C. Brown
WR - MT, G. Davis, Bourne, Skyy Moore, Reynolds, Shakir, A.T. Perry, C. Moore, Hinton
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Re: Should this be Vetoed?

Postby BelichekYourSelf » Thu May 03, 2018 6:50 am

FantasyFoosball wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 6:34 am Awful trade. But not veto worthy I would say. Does your league have a rule regarding this situation? If not I might think about instituting one. For example, if a certain percentage of teams vote against the trade, then it would be vetoed. But for you to make the decision on your own, I would say no.
This is a terrible idea. I would never play in a league where the other owners could run my team for me. No veto unless collusion.
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RB S. Barkley, N. Chubb, R. Stevenson, T. Pollard, J. Cook, K. Herbert, A. Mattison, E. Mitchell
WR AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, C. Kupp, A. Cooper, D. Hopkins, DJ Moore, B. Aiyuk, R. Doubs, K. Boutte (TS), C. Tillman (TS), M. Wilson (TS)
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Re: Should this be Vetoed?

Postby Dusticlez1 » Thu May 03, 2018 6:54 am

BelichekYourSelf wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 6:50 am
FantasyFoosball wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 6:34 am Awful trade. But not veto worthy I would say. Does your league have a rule regarding this situation? If not I might think about instituting one. For example, if a certain percentage of teams vote against the trade, then it would be vetoed. But for you to make the decision on your own, I would say no.
This is a terrible idea. I would never play in a league where the other owners could run my team for me. No veto unless collusion.
Yeah can’t have this. People would vote against it if it looked bad without looking at the actual team needs...and probably some owners would vote against it just because they are jealous they didn’t get the deal...agreed horrible idea to let owners vote on trades. Best way to resolve this crap is by helping the bad owners. Give them some tips on rebuilding and practicing patience.
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QB: ARod/Geno/JimmyG
RB: Gibbs/Hines
WR: AJB/Hopkins/StBrown/Kirk/Dotson/Juju/Lockett
TE: Kelce/Kmet/Knox

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QB: Lamar/JimmyG/Baker
RB: JT/Javonte/Sanders/Pacheco
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Re: Should this be Vetoed?

Postby JJRules » Thu May 03, 2018 6:57 am

FantasyFoosball wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 6:34 am Awful trade. But not veto worthy I would say. Does your league have a rule regarding this situation? If not I might think about instituting one. For example, if a certain percentage of teams vote against the trade, then it would be vetoed. But for you to make the decision on your own, I would say no.
League veto is a huge no-no. It opens the door too widely to the possibility of "Oh no, that good team just got better! If only I could stop that from happe...VETO!!!"

Find a commissioner you and the league trust to handle things properly, and let him do it. Veto is for collusion or other such cheating and nothing else.
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Re: Should this be Vetoed?

Postby hockeyBjj » Thu May 03, 2018 7:12 am

Many leagues have a league idiot. And the shame of it is if you want to have your contender team rise above the other contenders, a legit strategy is to find a way to make a bad deal with the league idiot

For this reason, our league idiot is very close to being kicked from the league simply because he hasn't learned and the rest of us are pretty savvy owners now. I don't go out of my way to trade rape him, but when he messages you asking if I want his 1.5 for my 1.8 and a 3rd, you don't say no to that just because it's unfair to him; knowing everyone else in the league would jump on an equally unbalanced deal and thus better their team vs mine. Our defending champ got league idiots 2018 1st two years ago for cheap, knowing it would be very early, and now he's about to add Barkley to his defending champ team which sucks for the rest of us trying to win the league

Here, your league idiot could have a boner over OJ Howard and think he's worth the 1.4. Could think he can flip Dez after a few good games for more than Funchness. It's not veto worthy. Ya'll would be better off finding a new owner than opening up the can of worms that is a league veto policy
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RB: Bijan, Dobbins, Achane, Charbonnet, Algier, McBride, waiver trash
WR: JSN, QJ, Addison, Dotson, Skyy Moore, Jameson Williams, Hyatt, T Dell, Boutte, Skowronek, Quez Watkins, Greg Dortch, waiver trash
TE: Hockenson, F Monroe, Juwan, Musgrave
D/K: Patriots, Vikings, Saints, Dicker

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2024- 1,1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,4,5,5
2025 1,1,1,2,3,4,5

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QB: Ljax, GenoD Jones, Minshew, Dobbs
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Re: Should this be Vetoed?

Postby Snickers » Thu May 03, 2018 7:16 am

Everyone talks collusion but its extremely hard to prove. Anyone can play dumb.

A trade of this sort is not a good trade or a good trade for the league; however, it is not a veto worthy trade. I recently got Dez for 1.6 and for all we know these rookies might not pan out..


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