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Changing a QB1 league to 2 or superflex

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:03 pm
by Wizard
Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to fairly switch a league from 1QB to a 2QB or Superflex without pissing half the league off while making the other half very happy. A few of us have been talking about how we don't like the way QBs are valued for years and I think we'd like to change the league but I'm sure some owners would be against it because that's not how they have been drafting or trading (which I totally get). Any suggestions, I know we can always try starting a new league but we struggle to fill the 12 slots we have now and I don't want to have to keep scrambling to get players each year. One last thing, what would you suggest 2QB or Superflex or are there others I should consider.

Re: Changing a QB1 league to 2 or superflex

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:10 pm
by Cult of Dionysus
This probably should be moved to the 2QB/Superflex subforum, unless the league also includes a salary cap or IDP element, in which case you need to wait until the appropriate subforum opens, namely the 2QB/Superflex IDP Salary Cap subforum. Not to be confused with the 2QB/Superflex IDP Sans Salary Cap subforum.

Re: Changing a QB1 league to 2 or superflex

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:13 pm
by snaps06
Here are some options to increase the value of QBs:

Staying 1QB:
1) 6 point TD passes
2) 1 point for every 20 passing yards instead of 25 yards

If neither of those works, I suggest superflex with a 2 year window to adjust lineups and draft accordingly. You can't just jump into a superflex in one offseason. Add an additional flex in year one, and move to superflex in year 2.

If moving all the way to 2QB, all I'd do is add a 3rd step to what I posted above. 1st year additional flex, 2nd year superflex, 3rd year 2QB.

That's just my 2 cents on how to transition and how I would approach it as commish.

Re: Changing a QB1 league to 2 or superflex

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:14 pm
by ArrylT
Actually, a better suggestion would be to post it in the Commish forum (since that way it is seen mainly by owners who are Commissioners) - but imo there is no right way that does not involve the support of the majority of your league (I'd say 75% min) and gives at least 1-2 years of preparation.

What you could do is implement one of the newer QB scoring themes to start off with - either the 6-4 concept*, or the new concept that just got posted by DLF writer Jacob Feldman (but I assume thats only accessible to DLF premium members).

6 point TDs, -4 for INTS

Re: Changing a QB1 league to 2 or superflex

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:35 pm
by millworkguy
Cult of Dionysus wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:10 pm This probably should be moved to the 2QB/Superflex subforum, unless the league also includes a salary cap or IDP element, in which case you need to wait until the appropriate subforum opens, namely the 2QB/Superflex IDP Salary Cap subforum. Not to be confused with the 2QB/Superflex IDP Sans Salary Cap subforum.
Lol, being organized and finding the right help easily must suck. Because the value of luck certainly differed last year from redraft to dynasty to 2qb.

To answer the OP I must agree with the above male the change over at least 2 years.

Re: Changing a QB1 league to 2 or superflex

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:38 pm
by CM21VE
snaps06 wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:13 pm Here are some options to increase the value of QBs:

Staying 1QB:
1) 6 point TD passes
2) 1 point for every 20 passing yards instead of 25 yards

If neither of those works, I suggest superflex with a 2 year window to adjust lineups and draft accordingly. You can't just jump into a superflex in one offseason. Add an additional flex in year one, and move to superflex in year 2.

If moving all the way to 2QB, all I'd do is add a 3rd step to what I posted above. 1st year additional flex, 2nd year superflex, 3rd year 2QB.

That's just my 2 cents on how to transition and how I would approach it as commish.

This^^^
We kicked this around in one of my leagues and you pretty much have to redraft or wait at least 2 full seasons.

Re: Changing a QB1 league to 2 or superflex

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:45 pm
by pierson242
Cult of Dionysus wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:10 pm This probably should be moved to the 2QB/Superflex subforum, unless the league also includes a salary cap or IDP element, in which case you need to wait until the appropriate subforum opens, namely the 2QB/Superflex IDP Salary Cap subforum. Not to be confused with the 2QB/Superflex IDP Sans Salary Cap subforum.
People ask for a superflex sub, we get it, now people complain! I dont get it!

to op i think it should be superflex, i also think you should wait 2-3 years to give everyone time to adjust in drafts trades etc

Re: Changing a QB1 league to 2 or superflex

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:05 pm
by skip
Don't change your scoring system. No one should be advising that it changes QB values. That's an inaccuracy perpetrated by newer "experts" that think value is determined across positions not within one.

Changing your starting requirements (like implementing SF) is the best way to change their valuation. As others have suggested, allow a couple years of preparation for owners. I don't think you should implement until at least the 2020 season.

Re: Changing a QB1 league to 2 or superflex

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:44 am
by Valhalla
snaps06 wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:13 pm ...I suggest superflex with a 2 year window to adjust lineups and draft accordingly. You can't just jump into a superflex in one offseason. Add an additional flex in year one, and move to superflex in year 2.

If moving all the way to 2QB, all I'd do is add a 3rd step to what I posted above. 1st year additional flex, 2nd year superflex, 3rd year 2QB.

That's just my 2 cents on how to transition and how I would approach it as commish.
:thumbup:

Re: Changing a QB1 league to 2 or superflex

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:17 am
by DonBrazi
In my view, the first thing your league has to do is accept that there is no 'fair' way to convert. Some people will win and others will lose. If people demand using a method that isn't 'unfair', they will never make the change. In that case, it's best, in my view, to just start from scratch. But if a league is serious about making the change, accepting some level of inequality is essential.

Re: Changing a QB1 league to 2 or superflex

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:02 am
by Phaded
The only way to really do it is create a new league.

If everyone is not on board - you do not do it. I polled my league couple years ago, 2 owners objected so I did not do it.

And I doubt everyone will be on board. People have been shaping their team as a 1QB league. Going superflex is about as dramatic a change you can get.

Re: Changing a QB1 league to 2 or superflex

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:26 am
by dlf_jaronf
Cult of Dionysus wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:10 pm This probably should be moved to the 2QB/Superflex subforum, unless the league also includes a salary cap or IDP element, in which case you need to wait until the appropriate subforum opens, namely the 2QB/Superflex IDP Salary Cap subforum. Not to be confused with the 2QB/Superflex IDP Sans Salary Cap subforum.
:roll:

Re: Changing a QB1 league to 2 or superflex

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:37 am
by IR1
I'm in a league switching over. It was a unanimous vote, until draft there is a 3 qb limit (prevents someone from grabbing qb's off ww), after draft there will be no limit, additional flex spot was added this year, switching to superflex in 2019, roster sizes were also increased by 4.

Re: Changing a QB1 league to 2 or superflex

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:47 am
by BigBawseRoss
go to sf and give it 3 years till the switch happens. best way to really make it fair wold be balance the scoring so the superflex spot can be used on something other than QB and not kill your chances

Re: Changing a QB1 league to 2 or superflex

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:38 am
by Bad News Barrett
Keep the old league

Make a new league

More leagues=Better