Landry tagged

[bsp27]

Numbers can be deceiving. Would the nearly 60 more targets have anything to do with that disparity? Also YPC doesn't give an accurate representation of how valuable a player is to his team. Give me the guy catching 100+ balls and picking up 60 first downs, over the guy running 9 routes on 70% of his snaps, and inflating the YPC disparity against the guy who caught over TWICE as many passes. Keep the analytics in baseball. Eye test is huge in football, and if you ran a poll here, 99% of forum goers are taking Landry in fantasy and real life

there is a large difference between yards per target and yards per catch. I never used yards per catch in any of my arguments.

yet even more statistical evidence proving Jarvis Landry is criminally overrated. he literally picks up a first down on 15% of his third down receptions.

But i guess this is irrelevant because your subjective and biased 'eye test' keeps telling you that Jarvis Landry is good.

And saying 'keep the analytics in baseball' I'll have you know that the Eagles won the super bowl by embracing analytics. https://thepowerrank.com/2018/02/13/phi ... uper-bowl/

Where did you pull that 3rd down stat from, because it's pretty blatantly wrong? He made the necessary yards on 17 of the 37 times he was targetted on third down. You can look this up by quickly glossing over his receiving plays in PFR.

As for YPT, it's better than YPR, but it's still not something you can use as the sole determinant of who the better receiver is. Otherwise, you're arguing that Jakeem Grant was the best receiver on the team.

this is my source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-aixbrOLJg

i'd like to see where on PFR you can see that.

[Defender]

Question - I own Corey Davis and Landry and am absolutely TERRIFIED at the prospect of him being traded to the Titans... although Landry is a slot WR by nature and Corey an outside: best case scenario they have a competent QB but one that can unlikely support the fantasy stock of both. My MFL has been blowing up for offers for C. Davis for months, the most recent of which was Joe Mixon and Njoku for C. Davis.

I know we can't go off rumors, but what to do I do? Pray they don't trade him to TEN and hang on to C. Davis, or overpay by my calculations a Njoku (Mixon = Davis presumption)? As always, thanks in advance.

With few exceptions, I’d take Mixon and Njoku for Davis in any senario.

[Blueboy]

Question - I own Corey Davis and Landry and am absolutely TERRIFIED at the prospect of him being traded to the Titans... although Landry is a slot WR by nature and Corey an outside: best case scenario they have a competent QB but one that can unlikely support the fantasy stock of both. My MFL has been blowing up for offers for C. Davis for months, the most recent of which was Joe Mixon and Njoku for C. Davis.

I know we can't go off rumors, but what to do I do? Pray they don't trade him to TEN and hang on to C. Davis, or overpay by my calculations a Njoku (Mixon = Davis presumption)? As always, thanks in advance.

With few exceptions, I’d take Mixon and Njoku for Davis in any senario.

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[ArrylT]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... assessment

Anti-Landy owners will probably be pleased at Bucky Brooks take on Landry.

[ericanadian]

there is a large difference between yards per target and yards per catch. I never used yards per catch in any of my arguments.

yet even more statistical evidence proving Jarvis Landry is criminally overrated. he literally picks up a first down on 15% of his third down receptions.

But i guess this is irrelevant because your subjective and biased 'eye test' keeps telling you that Jarvis Landry is good.

And saying 'keep the analytics in baseball' I'll have you know that the Eagles won the super bowl by embracing analytics. https://thepowerrank.com/2018/02/13/phi ... uper-bowl/

Where did you pull that 3rd down stat from, because it's pretty blatantly wrong? He made the necessary yards on 17 of the 37 times he was targetted on third down. You can look this up by quickly glossing over his receiving plays in PFR.

As for YPT, it's better than YPR, but it's still not something you can use as the sole determinant of who the better receiver is. Otherwise, you're arguing that Jakeem Grant was the best receiver on the team.

this is my source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-aixbrOLJg

i'd like to see where on PFR you can see that.

You just look at the receiving plays, sort it by third down and see how many made more yards than the necessary yards to first down. I'm not sure what he's measuring to be honest, but it doesn't really even make logical sense that a guy would have a significantly lower conversion rate on 3rd down than on 1st down.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... lays/2017/

[Jfever]

a 4 year deal worth $32 million with $19 million guarantees is not easy to bail out of.

Jarvis Landry had a +2.7 production premium (#45) with 6.1 YPT (#88) while Kenny Stills had a +14.0 (#19) production premium with 8.1 YPT (#38)

Not to mention Stills had a slightly higher yards of separation when targeted.

Stills is clearly the more efficient player, fantasy points don't define the skill of a player.

Numbers can be deceiving. Would the nearly 60 more targets have anything to do with that disparity? Also YPC doesn't give an accurate representation of how valuable a player is to his team. Give me the guy catching 100+ balls and picking up 60 first downs, over the guy running 9 routes on 70% of his snaps, and inflating the YPC disparity against the guy who caught over TWICE as many passes. Keep the analytics in baseball. Eye test is huge in football, and if you ran a poll here, 99% of forum goers are taking Landry in fantasy and real life

there is a large difference between yards per target and yards per catch. I never used yards per catch in any of my arguments.

yet even more statistical evidence proving Jarvis Landry is criminally overrated. he literally picks up a first down on 15% of his third down receptions.

But i guess this is irrelevant because your subjective and biased 'eye test' keeps telling you that Jarvis Landry is good.

And saying 'keep the analytics in baseball' I'll have you know that the Eagles won the super bowl by embracing analytics. https://thepowerrank.com/2018/02/13/phi ... uper-bowl/

Wow. Benpickering, There are different ways to go about this fantasy / dynasty hobby. Your takes and comments are a true testament to that.

If you don't currently possess the knowledge of the game to understand that "YOU" can watch the game, actually WATCH the game to see if a player / any player in his role - has "it". Then, I'm not sure why you play the game of fantasy, other than to gamble.

If you think that the "reason" the Eagles won the super bowl was a primary emphasis on analyitics, rather than preparation, hard work, good coaching, and a balanced overall team, then, I'm sure my response is falling on deaf ears so to speak.

Needless to say, your take on what to take - or how much to take from statistical analysis, is just wrong. Like many have said, the "eye test" is primary then - for more detail, one should / could look into statistical comparisons. And, worth mentioning, if you insist n analysis of stats, be sure that all variables are the same in order to get valid results.

peace.

[clarion contrarion]

panthers just cleared 6MM more cap space and I think they are about 15-20 MM under already is it for landry ?

[bsp27]

Numbers can be deceiving. Would the nearly 60 more targets have anything to do with that disparity? Also YPC doesn't give an accurate representation of how valuable a player is to his team. Give me the guy catching 100+ balls and picking up 60 first downs, over the guy running 9 routes on 70% of his snaps, and inflating the YPC disparity against the guy who caught over TWICE as many passes. Keep the analytics in baseball. Eye test is huge in football, and if you ran a poll here, 99% of forum goers are taking Landry in fantasy and real life

there is a large difference between yards per target and yards per catch. I never used yards per catch in any of my arguments.

yet even more statistical evidence proving Jarvis Landry is criminally overrated. he literally picks up a first down on 15% of his third down receptions.

But i guess this is irrelevant because your subjective and biased 'eye test' keeps telling you that Jarvis Landry is good.

And saying 'keep the analytics in baseball' I'll have you know that the Eagles won the super bowl by embracing analytics. https://thepowerrank.com/2018/02/13/phi ... uper-bowl/

Wow. Benpickering, There are different ways to go about this fantasy / dynasty hobby. Your takes and comments are a true testament to that.

If you don't currently possess the knowledge of the game to understand that "YOU" can watch the game, actually WATCH the game to see if a player / any player in his role - has "it". Then, I'm not sure why you play the game of fantasy, other than to gamble.

If you think that the "reason" the Eagles won the super bowl was a primary emphasis on analyitics, rather than preparation, hard work, good coaching, and a balanced overall team, then, I'm sure my response is falling on deaf ears so to speak.

Needless to say, your take on what to take - or how much to take from statistical analysis, is just wrong. Like many have said, the "eye test" is primary then - for more detail, one should / could look into statistical comparisons. And, worth mentioning, if you insist n analysis of stats, be sure that all variables are the same in order to get valid results.

peace.

Could you please tell me what "it" is?


I guess I'll just have to respectfully disagree with your take on statistical analysis. I choose to focus my analysis on things I can measure. Measurability makes something a lot easier to understand, and that is a fact.

If you watch someone run a 40 yard dash, do you think watching the person run allows for better understanding of that players speed than the stopwatch time does?

[BigBawseRoss]

comparing a top 5 slot receiver in the game to kenny stills (who plays a VERY different game as a WR than Landry does) is silly. end that conversation there

[Phaded]

panthers just cleared 6MM more cap space and I think they are about 15-20 MM under already is it for landry ?

Makes sense to me.

Although Cam & Landry would be a bad fit.

[hjernazian]

Question - I own Corey Davis and Landry and am absolutely TERRIFIED at the prospect of him being traded to the Titans... although Landry is a slot WR by nature and Corey an outside: best case scenario they have a competent QB but one that can unlikely support the fantasy stock of both. My MFL has been blowing up for offers for C. Davis for months, the most recent of which was Joe Mixon and Njoku for C. Davis.

I know we can't go off rumors, but what to do I do? Pray they don't trade him to TEN and hang on to C. Davis, or overpay by my calculations a Njoku (Mixon = Davis presumption)? As always, thanks in advance.

With few exceptions, I’d take Mixon and Njoku for Davis in any senario.

Sorry, I misspoke. I would too, but the trade is C. Davis and Njoku for Corey Davis (my side). He wants Davis and Njoku for Mixon.

[Pullo Vision]

panthers just cleared 6MM more cap space and I think they are about 15-20 MM under already is it for landry ?

Makes sense to me.

Although Cam & Landry would be a bad fit.

They could also conceivably clear more- there are FAs who'd be an upgrade on JStew.

What makes Landry a poor for Cam? What kind of WR matches his skill set?

[Phaded]

Cam is a very poor short to intermediate passer, he just is not very accurate. There is a reason that the team was investing in big receivers like Benjamin & Funchess, which is try to accommodate his often errant throws. With Landry being a volume chain mover, Cam would need improved accuracy to use Landry efficiently.

[thebeast]

Cam is a very poor short to intermediate passer, he just is not very accurate. There is a reason that the team was investing in big receivers like Benjamin & Funchess, which is try to accommodate his often errant throws. With Landry being a volume chain mover, Cam would need improved accuracy to use Landry efficiently.

Really? I don’t think Olsen owners feel that way at all.

[Phaded]

Greg Olsen is also 6 inches taller than Landry, not even mentioning the weight difference.

Like I said, he needs big targets due to accuracy issues. Same reason guys like Evans & Brate make Winston look good. Bigger guys are a way to counter accuracy issues.