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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:37 pm
by lukkynumber13
AussieMate wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:41 pm
Tvols wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:31 am Went back and watched some more Jones and Sony tape. Originally I wasnt feeling Jones but the more I watch him man he has some fluid hips and turns on a dime.. better than Sony.. Cant wait to see the 40 time on both this guys and Jones looks like the better receiver too.. Man I wish he had 10-15 more lbs to him...
I agree watching them my only problem is if Jones had 10-15 more pounds Sony would be the one with the better turns. I just wish Sony didn't fumble so much, massive red flag
YUP

I feel like that is a fact that's getting wholly unnoticed by most NFL fans and casual dynasty owners.

Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:55 pm
by Bot101
lukkynumber13 wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:37 pm
AussieMate wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:41 pm
Tvols wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:31 am Went back and watched some more Jones and Sony tape. Originally I wasnt feeling Jones but the more I watch him man he has some fluid hips and turns on a dime.. better than Sony.. Cant wait to see the 40 time on both this guys and Jones looks like the better receiver too.. Man I wish he had 10-15 more lbs to him...
I agree watching them my only problem is if Jones had 10-15 more pounds Sony would be the one with the better turns. I just wish Sony didn't fumble so much, massive red flag
YUP

I feel like that is a fact that's getting wholly unnoticed by most NFL fans and casual dynasty owners.
I wouldn't say unnoticed, more like downplayed. People want him to be the next Kamara so badly.

Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:40 pm
by nathanq42
HE DOESNT PLAY LIKE KAMARA!!!!! Only person I've seen with the wiggle and balance that Kamara puts on display is John Kelly out of Tennessee, likely a good friend of Kamara's. They aren't terribly fast but they make guys miss like they are droids in star wars, and when they do get caught they are hard to bring down because of incredible balance. Michel and Jones are one cut speed guys (Jones has some better open field moves, Michel runs with more power). They are not players like Kamara, if you mean they are under the radar and are going to pop off next season there is a little hitch. They aren't under the radar..

Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:46 pm
by Bot101
Im not saying I think Michel is like Kamara. But I've seen that comp everywhere. Its somewhat annoying.

Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:15 pm
by nathanq42
I gotcha, just a psa for people that say Michel or Jones are the next Kamara.. imo jones is similar to Jamaal Charles, Michel like Tevin Coleman. Imo Kamara (and John kelly) are a kin to beast mode in that they are shift and hard to tackle and bring down

Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:41 pm
by Phaded
Fumbling is something that can be coached with a good RB coach. Much like coaching Barkley to not bounce everything outside.

Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:19 pm
by Vcize
Bot101 wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:55 pm
lukkynumber13 wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:37 pm
AussieMate wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:41 pm

I agree watching them my only problem is if Jones had 10-15 more pounds Sony would be the one with the better turns. I just wish Sony didn't fumble so much, massive red flag
YUP

I feel like that is a fact that's getting wholly unnoticed by most NFL fans and casual dynasty owners.
I wouldn't say unnoticed, more like downplayed. People want him to be the next Kamara so badly.
Didn't somebody post the numbers recently on the top college fumblers of the last few years and it was like a who's who list of current NFL stud RBs?

Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:19 pm
by Vcize
double post

Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:59 am
by Defender
Vcize wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:19 pm
Bot101 wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:55 pm ....
Didn't somebody post the numbers recently on the top college fumblers of the last few years and it was like a who's who list of current NFL stud RBs?
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=155392&p=1403570&hi ... e#p1403307

For those (like me) too lazy to click on the link:
Just because he may have a higher than normal fumble rate shouldn't outweigh his overall skill as a player. Just looking back at players college stats from last years draft class that were drafted high and have a high fumble rate are players like:

Joe Mixon (fumbled every 73 carries)
Alvin Kamara (fumbled every 71 carries)
Dalvin cook (fumbled every 63 carries)
Marlon Mack (fumbled every 54 carries) -- wasn't drafted high but has FF value still

Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:52 pm
by Bot101
Is there a possibility Chubb can ever be the same guy he was pre injury? Can he be more than a 2 down thumper?

Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:18 pm
by nathanq42
If he runs under 4.5 he is right there with Guice, michel, and Jones unless they do something equally amazing

Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:55 pm
by lukkynumber13
^^^ Agreed I think he has the floor of Samaje Perine and the ceiling of Dalvin Cook

Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:07 pm
by Bot101
Hes all over the place in rankings. Either 1.03 or 1.10. Im trying to find an excuse not to draft Guice. I dont know why exactly I am so low on him.

Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:12 pm
by clarion contrarion
I say he does a moses malone for you oldsters ..... 4.44 ! for chubb

Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:36 pm
by spotxc
I’m gonna go 4.47