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So this went down early this morning. Can't quite grasp the reasoning process that led to this except that the Brees owner's team is a mess and he's in rebuild. I always try to figure out the thought process on trades in my leagues (mostly so I can use it to my advantage) but Yeah, this one's a bit of a baffler. EDIT: This is a superflex league so there is that.

Edit: changed title so the forum wouldn't mistake this for a "should I trade" post.

That makes absolutely no sense at all. To me, thats just a horrible trade.

I’m normally in the “never veto” camp, but this one has me reconsidering that stance.

I would agree.

M-Dub wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:52 am I’m normally in the “never veto” camp, but this one has me reconsidering that stance.

Seriously? Why? I also would take Brees in this scenario, but I recently sold Garoppolo for a 1st + 2nd in a superflex this past offseason. I also paid a 1st + Cameron Meredith for Garoppolo in a 16-team 1QB league this past offseason. Everyone has a right to value players how they see fit.

While I agree that Brees side has more value, I can imagine a situation where I'd consider this trade.

If my team was in rebuild and had no chance at the playoffs. Brees might be good enough to lift my team to the middle of the pack, when I should be aiming for the bottom.

is Garoppolo valued as a stud? I have him but have never really seen him play..

Snake wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:22 am While I agree that Brees side has more value, I can imagine a situation where I'd consider this trade.

If my team was in rebuild and had no chance at the playoffs. Brees might be good enough to lift my team to the middle of the pack, when I should be aiming for the bottom.

Exactly.

I am not at all baffled by this trade.

Maybe this is a sell low on Brees in a Superflex, maybe not. Most Garoppolo owners, right or wrong, are looking for at least future 1st in order to move him. In my last Superflex startup earlier this year he went right around a mid 1st (ie draft picks were in the startup).

Does he pan out? Maybe yes maybe no. Does Brees play at an elite level next year maybe yes maybe no.

All we know at the moment is Brees is close(ish) to retirement and the Patriots are holding onto Garoppolo tighter than any previous QB.

So it seems like this is a trade to help that owner out in the future by (a) selling off assets that could devalue sooner than later, (b) improve their draft position and (c) acquire a young asset whose value could go up, or could be a starter long term - and at the very least has done enough to show he deserves a shot short term (1-2 years).

It doesnt help a rebuild squad to hold onto assets whose value is closer to redraft than dynasty and unfortunately Brees is right on that precipice.

It really depends on how you view Garropolo. Some believe that there's a scenario where Brady either retires, or the Patriots trade him in the offseason. That clears the way for the Patriots to franchise Garropolo and play him.

Maybe that's what they're betting on. Brees is getting up there in age despite elite production and doesn't fit a rebuild. You could argue he undersold, but maybe he's just very high on Garropolo. Sometimes, that influences deals that look abnormal on paper.

I did consider that maybe the Brees owner really has decided he's at least a year away from contending. I also thought that maybe he's very high on Garoppolo (many are and, again, with good reason). I think it's just too much a sell low on Brees at this time. Consider his value to someone that just lost ARod or owns Luck, for example. I would expect a competing owner in that QB situation to likely have offered much more. It seems, for lack of a better word, lazy to sell Brees+ for Garoppolo.

That said, there are some really nice, detailed, and well thought out responses offered here.

What would you expect to receive for Brees in a trade within Superflex? Many will see an old, on the brink of decline/retirement QB and simply have zero interest. His situation is not for everyone, so your market is what those people will pay based on team need and potential boost over existing options. Can they get a young QB, or a pick that can assure one? How easily can he get a young QB they like?

What will people pay for Jimmy G? He's young, has shown solid, and is highly coveted by the Pats and other teams. His appeal is to all owners in the league, though at a varying price. He's worth a 1st to most in Superflex given you have to pay a first for young QB talent you draft anyway. His value will surely go up the moment he becomes a starter, which will happen somewhere. How long from now is TBD.

The 4th is irrelevant and a toss in to close the Brees for Jimmy deal. Let's not call this 'Brees +'

On paper I see the rationale for confusion. With thought I see reason for the transaction. Not for everyone, but the flip value for a rebuild is more for Jimmy than many other pieces a rebuilder could potentially acquire for Brees. Some simply don't want to buy old QBs, and in a market of 11 where some are youth focused, you quickly run out of alternatives.

Brees is still worth a 1st+ in my mind and I wouldn't even come close to considering this.

But hey some people have to be dumb so others can prosper I suppose

saw061600 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:07 amIt seems, for lack of a better word, lazy to sell Brees+ for Garoppolo.

That said, there are some really nice, detailed, and well thought out responses offered here.

No argument there. I do not think anyone is disagreeing that Brees could/might have gotten you a better deal elsewhere. However that depends on the owner. I know owners that when they get an offer they like, turn around and see if they can get a better deal from someone else. I on the other hand if I like a deal enough to accept/propose it, I take/offer the deal, even if I know I am leaving value on the table, as long as I am happy with my return. Maybe he had 2 or 3 different offers out there, and was happy just to have 1 accepted.

So yeah we as owners can always try to do more to increase the return on our assets, but the effort involved could be too time consuming, or not worth the marginal gain (in that owners opinion) especially if they have other teams or things to focus on.

Yeah in a superflex league I wouldn't sell Brees for less than a mid 1st.
I guess there are some JimmyG believers out there but hard to imagine he is worth more than a late 1st