Contender/rebuilder trade. Baldwin+ vs. M.Will/1st+

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Rebuild/contender trade: choose a side for my team

Baldwin, Garcon, Gore and Sproles
9
75%
M.Williams, 2018 1st, McKinnon, Austin
3
25%
 
Total votes: 12

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Contender/rebuilder trade. Baldwin+ vs. M.Will/1st+

Postby doctor d » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:37 pm

Currently in talks with a team looking to rebuild for team 1 in sig. I'm basically bidding against another owner for the same set of guys -- the team I'm in talks with is considering this offer:

I send: Mike Williams, my 2018 1st, McKinnon and Austin
I receive: Baldwin, Garcon, Gore and Sproles

Realizing that Gore and Sproles may not even play next year, is this worth it to bolster my team for a run at the title this year? If he asks for more, should I be willing to throw in a 2nd rounder or something similar to get this trade done? Appreciate the help.
1: 12 team, .5PPR, 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 W/R/T
QB: Dak, Mayfield // RB: Mixon, Taylor, Akers, Gibson, McKinnon, Peterson, McFarland, Penny, Gio, Dallas, D. Williams // WR: Evans, Sutton, Chark, McLaurin, Boyd, Diontae, J. Jefferson, M. Williams, Crowder, Washington // TE: Goedert, OJH, Cox, Akins, Dissly

2: 12 team PPR, 6pt all TDs, 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 W/R/T
QB: Watson, Minshew // RB: Saquon, Zeke, Cook, Drake, Mostert, McKinnon, Mattison, Pollard, Vaughn, Boston Scott, Ito // WR: Hopkins, Adams, Evans, Boyd, Diontae, Kirk, Lazard // TE: Hurst, Graham, Akins

3: 12 team SF, .5PPR, 6pt all TDs, 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 W/R/T, 1 Q/W/R/T
QB: Wilson, Herbert, Carr, Lock, Smith, Stidham, Hoyer, Luck // RB: Cook, Chubb, Ekeler, Drake, Gibson, DJ, McKinnon, White, Hines, Mike Davis, JJ Taylor, Booker // WR: Moore, Lockett, ARob, Thielen, Reagor, Van Jefferson, Byrd // TE: Andrews, Henry

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Re: Contender/rebuilder trade. Baldwin+ vs. M.Will/1st+

Postby Spongehack » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:43 pm

I think the trade is fair. It will definitely help you this year. I wouldn't add anything else.
12 Team (2014 Champ, 2016 2nd, 2021 Champ) 1.0 PPR, 1.5 TE, Superflex, Start 9, 1-2 QB, 2-4 RB, 3-4 WR, 1-3 TE

QB - J. Hurts, M. Stafford, K. Cousins
RB - S. Barkley, D. Cook, E. Elliot, T. Pollard, A. Mattison
WR - D. Adams, DK Metcalf, A. Cooper, C. Ridley, R. Anderson, C. Davis, J. Jones
TE - M. Andrews, G. Kittle, M. Cox

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Re: Contender/rebuilder trade. Baldwin+ vs. M.Will/1st+

Postby Eight7Seven » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:51 pm

There is no way I would make that trade. You only have the ability to start four WR's and already have Dez, Cooper, Allen Robinson and Watkins. I don't know why so many people are down on Williams but I believe he will develop into a top ten WR. You'd be mortgaging your future for WR/RB depth. While this trade would make you more secure during bye weeks (and in case of injuries) I don't see it making you much stronger on a weekly basis.
Team One: Children of the Light
12 Team PPR- Superflex- Dynasty - Start 9

QB: Herbert, Watson, Young, Cousins
HB: Bijan, Etienne, J.Jacobs, Najee, D.Harris, J.Ford
WR: Olave, Smith-Njigba, Pittman, Jeudy, Jameson, A.Cooper, Cooks, P.Cambell, T.Marshall, Boutte (T.S.)
TE: Hockenson, Kmet, L.Schoonmaker, Likely (T.S.)
Picks: 2024 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd & 3rd


Team Two: One Nation
12 Team IDP- PPR- Superflex- Dynasy - 8 Offensive Starters- 1 DL, 1 EDR, 2 LB, 2 DB, 1DP (DL/LB/DB)

QB: Mahomes, Love, Lance, Purdy
HB: Chubb, Etienne, Akers, Dillion, J.Cook, P.Strong (T.S.), Z.White (T.S.)
WR: Waddle, Jameson, A.Cooper, “Bayou”.Michael.Thomas, Pickens, T.Marshall
TE: Waller, I.Smith.Jr, Otton (T.S.)
LB: D.Lloyd, Q.Walker, D.Long, J.Baker, J.Jewel
DB: J.Chinn, J.Pitre, J.Brisker
DL/ER: S.Hubbard, K.Mack, K.Paye
Picks: '23 1.05, 1.07, 1.12 & 3.07

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Re: Contender/rebuilder trade. Baldwin+ vs. M.Will/1st+

Postby doctor d » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:59 pm

Eight7Seven wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:51 pm There is no way I would make that trade. You only have the ability to start four WR's and already have Dez, Cooper, Allen Robinson and Watkins. I don't know why so many people are down on Williams but I believe he will develop into a top ten WR. You'd be mortgaging your future for WR/RB depth. While this trade would make you more secure during bye weeks (and in case of injuries) I don't see it making you much stronger on a weekly basis.
Appreciate that, and that's where my concern is. I just don't know if I can trust Watkins or ARob this year, and I think Baldwin makes my starting lineup a lot stronger (plus the connection with Wilson wouldn't be terrible). Part of me wants to trade Watkins after he has a big game, and that probably wouldn't be possible without this trade.
1: 12 team, .5PPR, 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 W/R/T
QB: Dak, Mayfield // RB: Mixon, Taylor, Akers, Gibson, McKinnon, Peterson, McFarland, Penny, Gio, Dallas, D. Williams // WR: Evans, Sutton, Chark, McLaurin, Boyd, Diontae, J. Jefferson, M. Williams, Crowder, Washington // TE: Goedert, OJH, Cox, Akins, Dissly

2: 12 team PPR, 6pt all TDs, 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 W/R/T
QB: Watson, Minshew // RB: Saquon, Zeke, Cook, Drake, Mostert, McKinnon, Mattison, Pollard, Vaughn, Boston Scott, Ito // WR: Hopkins, Adams, Evans, Boyd, Diontae, Kirk, Lazard // TE: Hurst, Graham, Akins

3: 12 team SF, .5PPR, 6pt all TDs, 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 W/R/T, 1 Q/W/R/T
QB: Wilson, Herbert, Carr, Lock, Smith, Stidham, Hoyer, Luck // RB: Cook, Chubb, Ekeler, Drake, Gibson, DJ, McKinnon, White, Hines, Mike Davis, JJ Taylor, Booker // WR: Moore, Lockett, ARob, Thielen, Reagor, Van Jefferson, Byrd // TE: Andrews, Henry

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Re: Contender/rebuilder trade. Baldwin+ vs. M.Will/1st+

Postby Goddard » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:07 pm

If that's a late 1st, it's worth adding MW to upgrade to Baldwin.

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Re: Contender/rebuilder trade. Baldwin+ vs. M.Will/1st+

Postby Eight7Seven » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:13 pm

If you have an injury to one of your current starting receivers than this trade will make all the difference in the world for this season. If your players stay healthy then all you'll be doing during the playoffs (and in regular season non bye weeks) is bumping up your weekly total by a point or two on average. Because there will definitely be weeks that the receiver you bench out scores Baldwin.

I'm not a huge fan of trying to guess which healthy players will get hurt, it could just as easily be Baldwin and then you've lost so much potential upside for nothing.

What this trade will do no matter what happens this season is deprive you of your best rookie asset (and I think that asset will pay huge dividends) and an unknown first round selection for next season. And you'll be losing that future impact for Doug Baldwin, who while reliable is not a true difference maker. I don't believe Gore or sproles will have any value in the near future and Garçon doesn't have signifcant value even now.

I would not make this move.
Team One: Children of the Light
12 Team PPR- Superflex- Dynasty - Start 9

QB: Herbert, Watson, Young, Cousins
HB: Bijan, Etienne, J.Jacobs, Najee, D.Harris, J.Ford
WR: Olave, Smith-Njigba, Pittman, Jeudy, Jameson, A.Cooper, Cooks, P.Cambell, T.Marshall, Boutte (T.S.)
TE: Hockenson, Kmet, L.Schoonmaker, Likely (T.S.)
Picks: 2024 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd & 3rd


Team Two: One Nation
12 Team IDP- PPR- Superflex- Dynasy - 8 Offensive Starters- 1 DL, 1 EDR, 2 LB, 2 DB, 1DP (DL/LB/DB)

QB: Mahomes, Love, Lance, Purdy
HB: Chubb, Etienne, Akers, Dillion, J.Cook, P.Strong (T.S.), Z.White (T.S.)
WR: Waddle, Jameson, A.Cooper, “Bayou”.Michael.Thomas, Pickens, T.Marshall
TE: Waller, I.Smith.Jr, Otton (T.S.)
LB: D.Lloyd, Q.Walker, D.Long, J.Baker, J.Jewel
DB: J.Chinn, J.Pitre, J.Brisker
DL/ER: S.Hubbard, K.Mack, K.Paye
Picks: '23 1.05, 1.07, 1.12 & 3.07

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Re: Contender/rebuilder trade. Baldwin+ vs. M.Will/1st+

Postby balaberda » Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:51 pm

2nd option is a bunch of fluff.

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Re: Contender/rebuilder trade. Baldwin+ vs. M.Will/1st+

Postby dazza » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:16 pm

I'd stick with MW and look to move Big Ben for WR or RB depth
Team 1 (10 Team .5 PPR Roster=25)
1-2 QB, 2-5 WR, 2-4 RB, 1-3 TE, 4 IDP
QB: ARod, Jameis, Wentz, Trubisky, Mahomes
WR: OBJ, Hopkins, Baldwin, Watkins, C Davis, JJSS, JGord
RB: DJ, Zeke, Howard, Kamara, Mixon, Henry
TE: Graham, Howard
IDP: Deion Jones, Martinez, Shazier, R Foster

Team 2 (10 Team .5 PPR Roster=25)
1-2 QB, 2-5 WR, 2-4 RB, 1-3 TE, 4 IDP
QB: Wentz, Eli, Trubisky, Mahomes, Gabbert
WR: AB, Watkins, E Sanders, C Davis, M Williams, Doctson, JGord
RB: DJ, Le'Bell, Howard, Mack, Jones
TE: Kelce, Howard
IDP: DeJo, L Collins, R Foster, Ragland

Team 3 (12 Team .5 PPR Roster=26)
QB, 2-5 WR, 2-4 RB, 1-3 TE, 2 CB, 2DE, 2LB
QB: Wentz, Mahomes
WR: Jordy, Keenan, M. Jones, C Davis, M Williams, Kupp, C Coleman
RB: Cook, Ingram, Kamara, Abdullah, Woodhead, Burkhead, D'Onta, Drake, Booker
TE: Kelce, Evan Engram
IDP: DL Mack, Clowney DB Hyde, Ha Ha LB DeJo, R Foster (start 2 each)

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Re: Contender/rebuilder trade. Baldwin+ vs. M.Will/1st+

Postby lukkynumber13 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:40 pm

Spongehack wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:43 pm I think the trade is fair. It will definitely help you this year. I wouldn't add anything else.
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TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
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HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
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Re: Contender/rebuilder trade. Baldwin+ vs. M.Will/1st+

Postby moishetreats » Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:13 pm

Baldwin side -- easily -- for a competitive team.
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball

QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble

2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th



12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball

QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $186

IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): --

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Re: Contender/rebuilder trade. Baldwin+ vs. M.Will/1st+

Postby Pats/VikesFan » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:07 am

dazza wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:16 pm I'd stick with MW and look to move Big Ben for WR or RB depth
^This
10 team PPR league, 24 man rosters, 5 man taxi, 5 man IR
QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Anthony Richardson, Tua Tagovailoa, Sam Howell, Trey Lance, Hendon Hooker (IR)
RB: Saquon Barkley, Rhamondre Stevenson, Khalil Herbert, Antonio Gibson, Gus Edwards, Jerome Ford, Kendre Miller (TX), Roschon Johnson (TX), Pierre Strong (TX), Tyson Chandler (TX)
WR: Garrett Wilson, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, DJ Moore, Diontae Johnson, Chris Godwin, Terry McLaurin, Kadarius Toney, Jayden Reed, John Metchie, Justyn Ross,
TE: George Kittle, T.J. Hockenson, Chigoziem Okonkwo, Sam LaPorta (TX), Isaiah Likely, Luke Schoonmaker (IR)

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2024: 1st
2025: 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Finishes:
2017 - Last
2018 - 2nd
2019 - CHAMPION :dance:
2020 - 7th
2021 - 2nd
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