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Re: Success Profiler Study

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:59 pm
by HawkeyeState
Man, this class looks terrible when you use those parameters for hit rates and apply them to the class as best as possible

Re: Success Profiler Study

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:07 am
by Astonishment
HawkeyeState wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:59 pm Man, this class looks terrible when you use those parameters for hit rates and apply them to the class as best as possible
The Pre-draft scoring it is actually quite an impressive at the TE position (some of those hit rates will spike with 1st and 2nd round scores added in), and the RB shows very well in the elite tier but not much in the 2nd tier where the expected depth is supposed to be... and yes, the WR portion is underwhelming with no great scores.

That said an important but sobering aspect to remember is that the average hit for a RB is only 26.7, WR is 28.4, and TE is 30.5.

Currently we have 6 TE's sitting at a 50% hit rate, and 3-4 are likely to jump into the 83.3% range post NFL draft. We have 2 RB's in the 80.0 hit range and we have to go back to the insane RB class of 2008 to find a class with even 1 RB that scored that well pre-draft (guys like Elliot and Gurley were just short of the top tier pre-draft). Having only 1 RB in tier 2 (65.7% hit rate) is, however, very disappointing, with the hype of this class I would have expected 4-6 similar to the 2011-13 drafts. Post draft, I would guess that the total in this 2nd tier group will rise, as guys like Fournette, Cook, and Kamara are all consistently considered 1st-2nd round picks.

All the other guys that "disappointed" so far fall in the 27.3-20.5% range (Hunt, Conner, Perine, etc.), which is basically an "average" hit rate range. Dayes was also rumored to be nursing injuries during his runs so his results are somewhat in question, but his score is so low it can't help but be viewed negatively. Those guys don't have great attributes, or even multiple positive attributes, but they also are not huge risks based on average hit rates... it's just that a hit rate in the 20% range looks pretty bad.

Maybe this should be more of an eye opener at the low hit rates of all rookies, because looking at previous years this year is pretty normal. Last year, just like this year, we had only 3 player scored above average at RB in the pre-draft scoring, 4 players the year before that, then 3, then 2 - 3 this year. TE's are similar with the numbers being 2, 4, 3, 5 (that last year was the Eifert, Kelce, Ertz draft which was very good at TE) - 6 this year. WRs have more opportunities to be hits, so their total potential quantities are larger and they show 4, 10, 8, 1 - 7 this year.

With those numbers you are looking at a roughly similar sample size of guys to that of the average 1st round dynasty rookie draft that are better than the 20-30% average hit rate... and not all of those guys are considered 1st round caliber rookie fantasy picks. In short, without the draft indicators included in the scoring, this draft is not measuring out bad, but the hype is also not seeming to hold up... outside of the TE position it seems to be more or less average.

Re: Success Profiler Study

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:54 pm
by Dynasty DeLorean
Bruiser wrote: Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:28 pm Fantastic work here! Bravo.
What he said.

Re: Success Profiler Study

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 1:18 pm
by Astonishment
Here are the scores updated with the draft results:

2017 RB Post-Draft Success Profiler scoring
(RB hit rates 15.0-7.0=84.2%, 6.9-4.0=63.2%, 3.9-2.0=26.3%, 1.9-2.0=17.9%, 2.1-10.0=7.2%)

D'Onta Foreman - 9.0
Christian McCaffrey - 8.8
Joe Mixon - 8.7
Leonard Fournette - 6.0
Dalvin Cook - 3.2
Joe Williams - 2.3
Marlon Mack - 2.3
Kareem Hunt - 1.8
Brian Hill - 1.8
Jeremy McNichols - 1.8
Aaron Jones - 1.3
Jamaal Williams - 0.5
Alvin Kamara - 0.3
Tarik Cohen - 0.0
Devante Mays - 0.2
James Conner - 0.5
Matt Brida - 0.7
Elijah Hood - 1.0
I'Tavius Mathers - 1.0
Elijah McGuire - 1.2
Corey Clement - 1.5
Samaje Perine - 1.5
De'Angelo Henderson - 2.0
Donnel Pumphrey - 2.0
TJ Logan - 2.0
Justin Davis - 2.5
Wayne Gallman - 2.5

Re: Success Profiler Study

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 1:30 pm
by Astonishment
2017 WR Post-Draft Success Profiler scoring
(WR hit rates 15.0-7.0=75.0, 6.9-3.0=67.6%, 2.9-0.0=34.4%, 0.1-2.0=15.8%, 2.1-15.0=10.8%)

John Ross - 5.0
Josh Malone - 4.5
Zay Jones - 4.3
Chris Godwin - 4.2
Chad Williams - 4.0
Kenny Golladay - 4.0
Taywan Taylor - 4.0
Carlos Henderson - 3.5
Curtis Samuel - 2.8
Amara Darboh - 2.0
Juju Smith-Schuster - 1.8
Fred Ross - 1.5
Josh Reynolds - 1.5
Krishawn Hogan - 1.5
Mike Williams - 1.5
DeAngelo Yancey - 1.0
Isaiah McKenzie - 1.0
KD Cannon - 0.7
Robert Davis - 0.7
Dede Westbrook - 0.5
Keevan Lucas - 0.5
Amba Etta-Tawo - 0.0
ArDarius Stewart - 0.5
Shelton Gibson - 0.5
Cooper Kupp - 1.0
Jerome Lane - 1.0
Chad Hensen - 1.5
David Moore - 1.5
Trent Taylor - 1.5
Ishmael Zamora - 1.8
Austin Carr - 2.0
Noah Brown - 2.3
Quincy Adeboyejo - 3.0
Ryan Switzer - 3.0
Malachi Dupre - 3.3
Bug Howard - 3.5
Damore'ea Stringfellow - 3.5
Jehu Chesson - 3.5
Rodney Adams - 3.5
Stacy Coley - 3.5
Ricky Seals-Jones - 4.0
Isaiah Ford - 4.3

Re: Success Profiler Study

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 1:37 pm
by Astonishment
2017 TE Post-Draft Success Profiler scoring
(TE hit rates 15.0-6.0=83.3%, 5.9-3.0=53.7%, 2.9-0.0=30.4%, 0.1-2.0=13.8%, 2.1-15.0=3.7%)

Evan Engram - 8.7
David Njoku - 7.5
Adam Shaheen - 6.8
OJ Howard - 6.7
Gerald Everett - 5.9
Bucky Hodges - 4.8
George Kittle - 3.4
Jonnu Smith - 3.1
Eric Saubert - 2.9
Mike Roberts - 1.8
Jordan Leggett - 0.8
Jeremy Sprinkle - 0.8
Mason Schreck - 0.6
Darrell Daniels - 3.0
Cole Hikutini - 3.2
Pharoah Brown - 4.4
Blake Jarwin - 5.1

Re: Success Profiler Study

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 7:34 pm
by Diti51
this is fantastic stuff. I did my own game film analysis on most if not all the offensive prospects on these lists and using this score to supplement my scouting score, really helps take it to another level. additional data points and hit rate percentage adds another layer to analysis for rookie draft prep. Thanks for all the work and sharing the information! Just awesome!

Re: Success Profiler Study

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:46 am
by Dynos
Hello are you doing this exercice this year?

Re: Success Profiler Study

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:56 am
by jomaed
Dynos wrote: Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:46 am Hello are you doing this exercice this year?
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