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There surely can be just one right answer on this one.

Terrifying degree of unawareness on behalf of almost half of a country. Who knows what types of decisions this guy is or will be capable of? I struggle to find the words to go into a diatribe how this election has shaped my views on the level of awareness of the American public. Unreal.

JFever wrote:Terrifying degree of unawareness on behalf of almost half of a country. Who knows what types of decisions this guy is or will be capable of? I struggle to find the words to go into a diatribe how this election has shaped my views on the level of awareness of the American public. Unreal.

One could say the same regardless of which of these two candidates was selected. Sadly, the American people have been duped for so long into believing they have only 2 options and the leadership of each party has complete control. It's been ages since we had a president who was actually fit for that office.

I disagree and agree at the same time. President Bill Clinton was a very good president. He was very influential on foreign and domestic issues. The mess that was here when He got here was ugly. He took a country that was a mess and brought it to a better place. The Media got involved and spun his rep in a way that it did with the Monica scandal. Think back to great presidents of years past. Think how the perception of them would be different if we had social media, a media run by special interest groups, paparazzi, etc. President Obama will go down in history as a very very good / great president. Mark my words. The changes that he made, the horrific bi-partisanship he had to try to work around, etc. Heck, at least he was a person that could be trusted to represent the country. He frankly is about as polar opposite from Trump as a human being can get. Meaning.... put your seat belt on and get ready for a potentially bumpy ride. As far as a successful presidency and Obama being a very very good one - As would have Hillary. Heck, she would have made a great president in my opinion. The media, the historically oppressed white male, and the overwhelmingly easily influenced and manipulated public are an embarrassment. Really. Our country has more dumb people in it than most realize. Every time I think of it, it saddens me.

JFever wrote:the overwhelmingly easily influenced and manipulated public are an embarrassment

This I whole-heartedly agree with. I also agree that Obama will leave office and the perception of many is that he was a good/great president as much as I disagree almost entirely with his policy and pretty much the entirety of the Democratic platform. For that matter, there is much I dislike about the Republican platform as well. The American public has been duped into believing that these are the only two views and yet both parties threaten our fundamental liberties.

JFever wrote:I disagree and agree at the same time. President Bill Clinton was a very good president. He was very influential on foreign and domestic issues. The mess that was here when He got here was ugly. He took a country that was a mess and brought it to a better place. The Media got involved and spun his rep in a way that it did with the Monica scandal. Think back to great presidents of years past. Think how the perception of them would be different if we had social media, a media run by special interest groups, paparazzi, etc. President Obama will go down in history as a very very good / great president. Mark my words. The changes that he made, the horrific bi-partisanship he had to try to work around, etc. Heck, at least he was a person that could be trusted to represent the country. He frankly is about as polar opposite from Trump as a human being can get. Meaning.... put your seat belt on and get ready for a potentially bumpy ride. As far as a successful presidency and Obama being a very very good one - As would have Hillary. Heck, she would have made a great president in my opinion. The media, the historically oppressed white male, and the overwhelmingly easily influenced and manipulated public are an embarrassment. Really. Our country has more dumb people in it than most realize. Every time I think of it, it saddens me.

Bill Clinton is at fault for the housing crash


If you think Obama was a good president (or Hillary would be) than I would absolutely hate to have my child as one of your students. (Sorry, no offense, just being honest)

Sorry the system of unregulated banking and loan dispersement were at fault for the housing ctash. that along with people believing that it would be possible to live beyond their means. It's easy to blame a president if you don't know the whole story. Nothing personal taking from your jab. I'm accustomed to it coming from staunch conservatives. In all honesty, your kids could use some influence other than the one you have so as they can make a well informed decision of their own,
rather than blindly following. It is precisely this approach that has gotten us into this bleep show we are in today with this buffoon leading and representing our country. It's an abomination.

Also, if you are honestly of the mind set that a person like Don Trump has the wherewithal, and make up to be an improvement over Obama, we will simply disagree. You are welcome to your opinion regardless of how silly and unsubstantiated it may be. That is the beauty of our country. That, and the fact we have Republicans on the hot seat for at least 2 years. If things don't improve, there is no one to blame. My only hope is that people pay attention and learn from their most recent mistake. Then get out and vote in two years and start the clean up process.

Oh, another thing quick while I'm at it. I frequently see people bash socialism. Well, I find it funny that people throw out words and concepts without understanding them. Medicare, social security, public schools, vetran assistance and vet hospitals, and all forms of public education and assistance are forms of socialism. So, basically, unless you'd like to forfeit your social security , I'd recommend trying to understand what a socialist approach actually is. Don't have your hand in the cookie jar while you simultaneously bitch about the cookies in your mouth and pocket.

JFever wrote:In all honesty, your kids could use some influence other than the one you have so as they can make a well informed decision of their own,
rather than blindly following.

I agree that children can be introduced to a variety of influences. That said, much of the educational system in this country is not designed to allow children to have an informed opinion but rather to be indoctrinated to a set of beliefs be it political, social, religious, etc. IMO, this system is the foundational problem that has led to our moral collapse.

That and poor / lazy parenting, an expanding influence of bias paid off media coverage, instant gradification, and throw away approach to materializm. Let's teach kids to question. To be curious, and that knowledge and hard work are good things. The easiest shortest route or means to an end most often is not the best path.

Bill Clinton responsible for housing crash... Wowsers. That is the best one yet. It couldn't be the banks trying to make money regardless of the long term costs or the people signing the loan papers even though the sliding rates at the time were fat too good to be true or sustainable. I mean wtf? How is that a presidents fault? Unreal. Conveianent to blame a single person I spose. But, completely incorrect.

Coogs, you could just homeschool your kids if you want them to go up understanding the world exactly like you do. In my 15 yrs of teaching, that seems to work out well.

Coogan Football wrote:Bill Clinton is at fault for the housing crash

Lol, no he wasn't. Do you believe everything on Fox news? The Gramm-Leach-Bliley act of 1999 (named after it's 3 Republican co-creators) was the cause of the 2008 financial crisis. Allowing commercial and investment banks to merge allowed lenders to give mortgages to borrowers without holding the loans to maturity as previously required by the Glass Stegal Act. This meant banks giving out loans didn't care if the borrower could pay back the loan because they could just quickly sell it. GLB also allowed for the securitization of loans because they could be split and sold in segments that were grouped together by risk. Deregulation is what caused the housing crisis. Every economist agrees on this. We also know that Republicans are big fans of deregulation because it makes their rich friends richer. Donald Trump even famously spouted off about how the housing crisis was good for him because he could make a lot of money buying stocks at their lowest value while the majority of the world suffered in the wake of the crisis.

To be fair Clinton was and is a Neo-Liberal who was actually a very fiscally conservative president. I'm surprised you aren't a bigger fan of his actually. He lauds his budget surplus around like that means anything despite the fact that if the governmental sector of the economy runs a profit it necessitates either a private sector (you and me) deficit or a trade deficit. But balancing that budget is really going to fix things. Even though the government produces the money it's indebted in.

But what do I know, I just have a degree in economics.

who signed GLB into law ?

clarion contrarion wrote:who signed GLB into law ?

Who made the law is probably a bigger deal. Republicans had house and senate majority in 1999. And to my earlier point that Clinton didn't cause the housing crisis that is still absolutely true. Bankers who had nothing to lose because they won while the bubble grew and won after the crash caused it.

But fair point, if Clinton knew how bad this would be for billions of people around the world and had a moral conscious he could have attempted to stop it via veto. I'm not of the opinion that Clinton was a moral man. I feel like you're an intelligent and informed person, so I think you and I should both agree that it would be much harder for the president to adamantly oppose legislation that passes through Congress (not to mention Congress can overturn a veto), than for Congress themselves to simply not create a horrible law. And as I noted above Clinton was and is a fiscal conservative. Conservatives hate regulation and deregulation is what caused the crisis.

agreed , but he didn't veto and force an override and he had every reason to do such even if it were for spite after his previous year's impeachment ramrodded by the repubs. Perhaps that was the quid pro quo for congress so our lawmakers could take care of their banker buddies - he gets a skate on his crimes and they get mega billions over a decade which the banker boys probably already had the actuaries hard at work figuring out how much they could pilfer long before he signed the bill.

So.... Like I said above, and what was artfully clarified after, (thanks for that as I do not have an economics degree) - Bill Clinton was NOT then to blame for the housing crash. Big unregulated banks and their loans, and uninformed recipients of loans ARE to blame however.

We can move on from this in agreement and put that incorrect assertion to bed I presume.

Now, to another point of discussion. Are you all following the people that are being appointed to positions of influence? I'm not sure I'm a huge fan of the cabinet appointees. What are the thoughts on these people and what may come from their positions of influence. Some seem to be quite bias and in a way, unfit for these cabinet positions. Also, I'm not sure a president that, seemingly thoughtlessly clicks submit on twitter tweets is a good thing. This drone mess in China could lead to some nasty results. I'm not sure that the Republican party is overly fond of what is going on here.

Thoughts?