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Re: 49ers trade for #3 pick
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:53 pm
by Lumps
Sriracha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:51 pm
murphysxm wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:44 pm
Bronco Billy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:51 pm
No, what you’re doing is arrogantly dismissing my opinion based upon what NFL management personal are saying they are feeling about Wilson, and doing it because you know for a fact that the Jets are taking Wilson at 1.02 and therefore any other opinion like mine laughingly has no credibility to you. And the even better part is that you expect no rebuttal when you act like such a dick.
It finally has happened, a blocking of a user is about to occur for me. Your opinions are yours to have, but the ability to accept the fact that you may be wrong without beeing a dick is a skill you need to earn Billy, you are exhausting.
Just going to point out:
1. We do not know for a fact that PHI wanted Wilson.
2. Assuming they did in fact want Wilson, just because the Jets did not take their offer does not mean that Wilson is the QB they're targeting there.
I'm getting the vibe that the Jets want Wilson, too.. but the logic used here is flawed.
They were not in talks with the Jets. They were in talks with the Dolphins. They wanted only Wilson, but that obviously wasn't going to work out. Thus, the 49ers moved into the Dolphins spot. Due to the prior talks the Eagles had with Miami for the 3rd pick, they swung the other trade.
Also, Wilson had his pro day today and the trades happened during it. There is discussion during the clip. Also, the kid made some absurd throws.
https://youtu.be/IjnSvjTKSB0
Re: 49ers trade for #3 pick
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:57 pm
by zaner75
Hopefully we can keep this to football and others can have their pissing contest elsewhere or be politely informed by the mods that they can use another service.
I agree with Lumps that the 49ers know what the Jets plans with #2 are, either who they're taking or at least that they won't be trading it, and that they are happy with who will be there are #3. I can see Lance being the pick and redshirting behind Garoppolo for 2021. It takes time to learn Shanahan's system and the Niners think they have a window to be competitive in 2021 with Garoppolo rather than wasting a season if their are rookie growing pains. See 2017 KC Chiefs for the blueprint.
As a Niners fan, I love the move!
Re: 49ers trade for #3 pick
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:57 pm
by Sriracha
Lumps wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:53 pm
They were not in talks with the Jets. They were in talks with the Dolphins.
They wanted only Wilson, but that obviously wasn't going to work out. Thus, the 49ers moved into the Dolphins spot. Due to the prior talks the Eagles had with Miami for the 3rd pick, they swung the other trade.
Also, Wilson had his pro day today and the trades happened during it. There is discussion during the clip. Also, the kid made some absurd throws.
https://youtu.be/IjnSvjTKSB0
Please tell me the bolded isn't based entirely off of some off-season tweet that may or may not be true?
Also, there's a very good chance this trade has been in the works for a while now. It coming out during Wilson's pro day may or may not be related.
I like Wilson, too but this train of thought seems to be led by a whole lot of confirmation bias.
Re: 49ers trade for #3 pick
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:58 pm
by StripesOfKC
Sriracha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:51 pm
murphysxm wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:44 pm
Bronco Billy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:51 pm
No, what you’re doing is arrogantly dismissing my opinion based upon what NFL management personal are saying they are feeling about Wilson, and doing it because you know for a fact that the Jets are taking Wilson at 1.02 and therefore any other opinion like mine laughingly has no credibility to you. And the even better part is that you expect no rebuttal when you act like such a dick.
It finally has happened, a blocking of a user is about to occur for me. Your opinions are yours to have, but the ability to accept the fact that you may be wrong without beeing a dick is a skill you need to earn Billy, you are exhausting.
Just going to point out:
1. We do not know for a fact that PHI wanted Wilson.
2. Assuming they did in fact want Wilson, just because the Jets did not take their offer does not mean that Wilson is the QB they're targeting there.
I'm getting the vibe that the Jets want Wilson, too.. but the logic used here is flawed.
1. There was a Rapproport tweet indicating that
and
2. He pretty much accepted that the Jets are going Wilson at 1.2. His only logic for Wilson being hated by the NFL was lol Jets--whatever they want must be wrong
And 3. The 49ers no doubt offered that package to the Jets and yet no deal. Turns out the Jets know what every NFL media analyst is in denial of: Sam Darnold sucks and the Jets were always going QB this year
Who could have guessed
Re: 49ers trade for #3 pick
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:04 pm
by Sriracha
StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:58 pm
1. There was a Rapproport tweet indicating that
and
2. He pretty much accepted that the Jets are going Wilson at 1.2. His only logic for Wilson being hated by the NFL was lol Jets--whatever they want must be wrong
And 3. The 49ers no doubt offered that package to the Jets and yet no deal. Turns out the Jets know what every NFL media analyst is in denial of: Sam Darnold sucks and the Jets were always going QB this year
Who could have guessed
1. And Schefty's sources have never lied to him before
2. Not going to speak to that as I think it's very likely Wilson is going to #2 overall; but none of the reasons mentioned above make it any more likely the Jets are sold on Wilson
Re: 49ers trade for #3 pick
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:14 pm
by Lumps
Look at the 2nd rollout to the left starting at 24:22. Just....
Edit: 26:37 too
Re: 49ers trade for #3 pick
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:44 pm
by Pullo Vision
Lumps wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:53 pmAlso, Wilson had his pro day today and the trades happened during it.
Noticed that too. It was as if a team was on the fence (Jets?) and what they saw confirmed things for them. I've beard/read in more than one place that SF only does this if they have 3 top QBs they'd want. Heard it could be Lawrence, Wilson... and Mac Jones.
Re: 49ers trade for #3 pick
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:53 pm
by Lumps
Pullo Vision wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:44 pm
Lumps wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:53 pmAlso, Wilson had his pro day today and the trades happened during it.
Noticed that too. It was as if a team was on the fence (Jets?) and what they saw confirmed things for them. I've beard/read in more than one place that SF only does this if they have 3 top QBs they'd want. Heard it could be Lawrence, Wilson... and Mac Jones.
I'm not sure how much of it had to do with it being his pro day - I didn't mean to imply that above, just that the discussion was happening on the broadcast during his pro day ... and not a single person made a statement contradicting Wilson to the Jets.
I could believe that there was discussion while there from the Eagles with Miami and SF with Miami though. Eagles wanted Wilson, Jets are like nah, he's ours. etc. etc. But it's all speculation.
Re: 49ers trade for #3 pick
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:30 pm
by FiremanEd
As much as the momentum seems to be locking in Wilson at #2, a few tweets don’t solidify anything. The 49ers may know the Jets intention (relationship + knowing the Jags aren’t moving allows them to speak boldly perhaps), but until the pick is official, the 49ers have to be willing to accept the risk of an option ‘a’ or ‘b’. That can mean any players at ‘a’ and ‘b’, and obviously they can have a preference, but they have to be comfortable with the price paid for either. If not, you can’t put this much at stake.
We can feel confident we know who each team will take is, but let’s not be foolish and think that a few tweets for the whole world to see are 100% true. We should all be wise enough to know that the draft is full of misdirection and unpredictable.
Re: 49ers trade for #3 pick
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:38 pm
by DJB
McCafsteez wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:21 am
Yes, they are definitely going after Fields or Wilson, in my opinion. I would be incredibly shocked if they take Lance at 3 overall.
You shouldn't be. Lance is 100% deserving to be picked there.
Re: 49ers trade for #3 pick
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:55 pm
by murphysxm
FiremanEd wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:30 pm
As much as the momentum seems to be locking in Wilson at #2, a few tweets don’t solidify anything. The 49ers may know the Jets intention (relationship + knowing the Jags aren’t moving allows them to speak boldly perhaps), but until the pick is official, the 49ers have to be willing to accept the risk of an option ‘a’ or ‘b’. That can mean any players at ‘a’ and ‘b’, and obviously they can have a preference, but they have to be comfortable with the price paid for either. If not, you can’t put this much at stake.
We can feel confident we know who each team will take is, but let’s not be foolish and think that a few tweets for the whole world to see are 100% true. We should all be wise enough to know that the draft is full of misdirection and unpredictable.
I don't disagree with anything you say here. SF obviously is completely happy with Trevor, Wilson, Fields or Lance. That doesn't change my believe that Trevor and Wilson ae off the board at 1.03.
Re: 49ers trade for #3 pick
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:57 pm
by Kmani6
Sriracha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:51 pm
murphysxm wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:44 pm
Bronco Billy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:51 pm
No, what you’re doing is arrogantly dismissing my opinion based upon what NFL management personal are saying they are feeling about Wilson, and doing it because you know for a fact that the Jets are taking Wilson at 1.02 and therefore any other opinion like mine laughingly has no credibility to you. And the even better part is that you expect no rebuttal when you act like such a dick.
It finally has happened, a blocking of a user is about to occur for me. Your opinions are yours to have, but the ability to accept the fact that you may be wrong without beeing a dick is a skill you need to earn Billy, you are exhausting.
Just going to point out:
1. We do not know for a fact that PHI wanted Wilson.
2. Assuming they did in fact want Wilson, just because the Jets did not take their offer does not mean that Wilson is the QB they're targeting there.
I'm getting the vibe that the Jets want Wilson, too.. but the logic used here is flawed.
Good point, but we also do not know for a fact that NFL scouts are low on Wilson just bc it’s written in some article, as billy was suggesting. There are tons of sources saying that Wilson is in fact a top 5 pick. This is about the usual time of year where we get tons of misinformation and “leaked reports,” anyways. I also find it funny that this same article has Waddle ranked 1st and Chase/Smith 4th and 5th in their WR rankings, respectively
Re: 49ers trade for #3 pick
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:02 pm
by Cowboysfan33
Why didn’t the Jets trade Darnold before teams like Chicago(Dalton) WFT(Fitzpatrick) signed QBs, if they knew they were going QB at #2? That’s what doesn’t make a lot of sense and yeah they can still trade him but there’s not as many teams that need a QB and they probably won’t get as much in return.
Re: 49ers trade for #3 pick
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:03 pm
by StripesOfKC
Cowboysfan33 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:02 pm
Why didn’t the Jets trade Darnold before teams like Chicago(Dalton) WFT(Fitzpatrick) signed QBs, if they knew they were going QB at #2? That’s what doesn’t make a lot of sense and yeah they can still trade him but there’s not as many teams that need a QB and they probably won’t get as much in return.
Maybe they don't want him because he sucks
Re: 49ers trade for #3 pick
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:10 pm
by Cowboysfan33
StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:03 pm
Cowboysfan33 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:02 pm
Why didn’t the Jets trade Darnold before teams like Chicago(Dalton) WFT(Fitzpatrick) signed QBs, if they knew they were going QB at #2? That’s what doesn’t make a lot of sense and yeah they can still trade him but there’s not as many teams that need a QB and they probably won’t get as much in return.
Maybe they don't want him because he sucks
The Jets could’ve gotten something for Darnold and maybe they still will but they should’ve already moved him before some of the QB market dried up.