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Re: James Robinson

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:10 pm
by mild
The Godwin Complex wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:43 pm Is there an echo in here? :think:
Lol, calm your jets friend. I still demand that you never change your avatar ever again, forevermore.

But your chances of riding the train sure look pretty good right now. Your next obstacle on the roadmap is Draft/FA 2021 for the Jags... you'll be loving life if he makes it through that with minimal competition AND they add Fields.

Re: James Robinson

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:27 pm
by The MAC Machine
mild wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:10 pm
The Godwin Complex wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:43 pm Is there an echo in here? :think:
Lol, calm your jets friend. I still demand that you never change your avatar ever again, forevermore.

But your chances of riding the train sure look pretty good right now. Your next obstacle on the roadmap is Draft/FA 2021 for the Jags... you'll be loving life if he makes it through that with minimal competition AND they add Fields.
I already love life. In part because I think this concern, while valid, is a bit backwards and has been the entire season with this kid. While you say “watch for competition” I say “It would make sense to bring in SUPPORT”. Why would they invest a lot in RB to produce what they already have produced with a lesser investment? Its just not economical. Anybody they bring in will hurt Robinson as much as Hunt “hurts” Chubb IMO.

Re: James Robinson

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:18 pm
by notweswelker
remedy29 wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:34 pm
How did this guy go undrafted? All those things you mentioned were on his college tape, to go along with incredible good production.
NFL impact players get missed all the time, even when they are quite literally on an NFL team. In order to become established a player needs an opportunity and quite frankly many of them never get it. Brady was a sixth round pick who probably never would have started in his entire life if Bledsoe didn't get hurt. It's a classic example, but there are some every year.

Just from this past draft Javon Leake also went undrafted and hasn't had a carry yet in the NFL and probably won't. He didn't get a shot to get substantial carries until his junior year at MD and put up poor measurables. That's enough to snuff out a guy's career. Watch this guy run and tell me there are 90 better running backs in the NFL. It's laughable. The man ran for 7.9 yards per carry AND was an elite return man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cpvTx-MukM

Re: James Robinson

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:56 pm
by jjleurquin
notweswelker wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:18 pm
remedy29 wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:34 pm
How did this guy go undrafted? All those things you mentioned were on his college tape, to go along with incredible good production.
NFL impact players get missed all the time, even when they are quite literally on an NFL team. In order to become established a player needs an opportunity and quite frankly many of them never get it. Brady was a sixth round pick who probably never would have started in his entire life if Bledsoe didn't get hurt. It's a classic example, but there are some every year.

Just from this past draft Javon Leake also went undrafted and hasn't had a carry yet in the NFL and probably won't. He didn't get a shot to get substantial carries until his junior year at MD and put up poor measurables. That's enough to snuff out a guy's career. Watch this guy run and tell me there are 90 better running backs in the NFL. It's laughable. The man ran for 7.9 yards per carry AND was an elite return man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cpvTx-MukM
I agree with your take on Leake, he looks a lot better on tape than McFarland and outproduced him in the same situation but McFarland ran a 4.44 so he gets a shot and Leake didn't. As for the reason JRob didn't get drafted- we see this with guys from FCS and D2/D3 schools a lot. Teams get scared off because the level of competition they play isn't as good but out of the undrafted guys that end up being good a lot of them come from these places like Adam Thielen and Austin Ekeler. Keep your eyes open for Jah-Maine Martin from North Carolina A&T in round 4 of your rookie drafts next year.

Re: James Robinson

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:31 am
by remedy29
Javon Leake doesn't appear to be the athlete James Robinson is. He certainly does not have the college playing time experience Robinson has, Robinson had more snaps as a sophomore than Leake had is his career. Does he have the receiving skill and pass blocking skill Robinson has? Robinson proved he can carry a large workload his senior season and he had an impressive combine, Leake barely participated.

Robinson basically did everything he can possibly do as a college athlete to get drafted by the NFL, but wasn't, yet he still may win offensive rookie of the year. Highly impressive and huge whiff by all NFL teams.

With that said, is Leake work an add? Can he get playing time this year with The Football Team to show his worth?

Re: James Robinson

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:03 pm
by Pullo Vision
Heard/read a comment that JRob's production has been such a great value that any team with him *surely* did well.

Curious if that's right for others, certainly not me-
Keeper- missed playoffs
12 team PPR #1- advanced to second round despite no Saquon
12 team PPR #2- booted in first round
14 team ppr- rebuilding team so sold him mid year, hoping I don't regret it

Re: James Robinson

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:06 pm
by CGW
Pullo Vision wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:03 pm Heard/read a comment that JRob's production has been such a great value that any team with him *surely* did well.

Curious if that's right for others, certainly not me-
Keeper- missed playoffs
12 team PPR #1- advanced to second round despite no Saquon
12 team PPR #2- booted in first round
14 team ppr- rebuilding team so sold him mid year, hoping I don't regret it
Oddly enough he wasn't on a competing team in any of my 3 leagues.

Re: James Robinson

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:12 pm
by nathanq42
CGW wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:06 pm
Pullo Vision wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:03 pm Heard/read a comment that JRob's production has been such a great value that any team with him *surely* did well.

Curious if that's right for others, certainly not me-
Keeper- missed playoffs
12 team PPR #1- advanced to second round despite no Saquon
12 team PPR #2- booted in first round
14 team ppr- rebuilding team so sold him mid year, hoping I don't regret it
Oddly enough he wasn't on a competing team in any of my 3 leagues.
I think a thing with contenders that have deep teams is that hey might not have had space to have picked up JROB? Maybe they were saving FAAB for a mid season breakout instead of a dart throw? And to think that a free 20+ PPG RB add hasnt helped propel you to #1, or #2 in the second and third team there is kind of crazy to me? Obviously one player wont win you every week, but I bet JROB kept you a lot closer in games than the next best option would have. And even the team that missed the playoffs I bet he helped you win a few games, and if you still had 0 wins on that team I dont think 1 players, no matter who it was this season would have wont you a few games.

Re: James Robinson

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:28 pm
by Jigga94
nathanq42 wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:12 pm
CGW wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:06 pm
Pullo Vision wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:03 pm Heard/read a comment that JRob's production has been such a great value that any team with him *surely* did well.

Curious if that's right for others, certainly not me-
Keeper- missed playoffs
12 team PPR #1- advanced to second round despite no Saquon
12 team PPR #2- booted in first round
14 team ppr- rebuilding team so sold him mid year, hoping I don't regret it
Oddly enough he wasn't on a competing team in any of my 3 leagues.
I think a thing with contenders that have deep teams is that hey might not have had space to have picked up JROB? Maybe they were saving FAAB for a mid season breakout instead of a dart throw? And to think that a free 20+ PPG RB add hasnt helped propel you to #1, or #2 in the second and third team there is kind of crazy to me? Obviously one player wont win you every week, but I bet JROB kept you a lot closer in games than the next best option would have. And even the team that missed the playoffs I bet he helped you win a few games, and if you still had 0 wins on that team I dont think 1 players, no matter who it was this season would have wont you a few games.
The 1 team that has him was 5-8 in my league.
The other league I'm in I also traded Jrob+ away (around week 4 or 5) for Saquon but their team was well out of it. I thought he would have wanted to stick to Saquon in a rebuild... Weird

I'd also consider the team I got him to be pretty good. I was still interested in snagging him though once he was named starter

Edit: the team that was 5-8 actually traded for Jrob mid October... The team that traded him away is one of the best in the league

Re: James Robinson

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:25 pm
by CGW
nathanq42 wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:12 pm
CGW wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:06 pm
Pullo Vision wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:03 pm Heard/read a comment that JRob's production has been such a great value that any team with him *surely* did well.

Curious if that's right for others, certainly not me-
Keeper- missed playoffs
12 team PPR #1- advanced to second round despite no Saquon
12 team PPR #2- booted in first round
14 team ppr- rebuilding team so sold him mid year, hoping I don't regret it
Oddly enough he wasn't on a competing team in any of my 3 leagues.
I think a thing with contenders that have deep teams is that hey might not have had space to have picked up JROB? Maybe they were saving FAAB for a mid season breakout instead of a dart throw?
Most likely this. Weaker teams have more slots for dart throws. It's likely he ended up on more rebuilding teams than strong competitors. I'd have to imagine any competitors who did have the space are heavy favorites though.

Re: James Robinson

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:31 pm
by TimeWillTell
I grabbed him when fournette was released. I ended up 1st in the league at 11-2. 2nd highest points (about 50 less than 1st). You can see from my sig I'm young (waiting on the other rookies) and lost Barkley. Without JRob I would not have had such good fortune.

Re: James Robinson

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:38 pm
by cantguardjake
notweswelker wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:18 pm
remedy29 wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:34 pm
How did this guy go undrafted? All those things you mentioned were on his college tape, to go along with incredible good production.
NFL impact players get missed all the time, even when they are quite literally on an NFL team. In order to become established a player needs an opportunity and quite frankly many of them never get it. Brady was a sixth round pick who probably never would have started in his entire life if Bledsoe didn't get hurt. It's a classic example, but there are some every year.

Just from this past draft Javon Leake also went undrafted and hasn't had a carry yet in the NFL and probably won't. He didn't get a shot to get substantial carries until his junior year at MD and put up poor measurables. That's enough to snuff out a guy's career. Watch this guy run and tell me there are 90 better running backs in the NFL. It's laughable. The man ran for 7.9 yards per carry AND was an elite return man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cpvTx-MukM
The difference is that Leake is actually no good.

Re: James Robinson

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:04 pm
by broncohead
notweswelker wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:18 pm
remedy29 wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:34 pm
How did this guy go undrafted? All those things you mentioned were on his college tape, to go along with incredible good production.
NFL impact players get missed all the time, even when they are quite literally on an NFL team. In order to become established a player needs an opportunity and quite frankly many of them never get it. Brady was a sixth round pick who probably never would have started in his entire life if Bledsoe didn't get hurt. It's a classic example, but there are some every year.

Just from this past draft Javon Leake also went undrafted and hasn't had a carry yet in the NFL and probably won't. He didn't get a shot to get substantial carries until his junior year at MD and put up poor measurables. That's enough to snuff out a guy's career. Watch this guy run and tell me there are 90 better running backs in the NFL. It's laughable. The man ran for 7.9 yards per carry AND was an elite return man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cpvTx-MukM
I think you're right for the most part regarding needing an opportunity to get established. Regarding Brady, he would have become the starter sooner rather than later. My father took John Friesz fishing a number of times and we were able to have a few dinners with him as well. He said that he new Brady would be a starter and a really good QB. He said he knew when Brady came in his rookie year.

Re: James Robinson

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:59 pm
by Pullo Vision
I traded JRob to a contender mid season. Was worried I crowned him king, but Robinson is declared out tomorrow. Anyone winning their championship won't have JRob... whew.

Re: James Robinson

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:49 am
by notweswelker
Trevor Lawrence coming to town.
Jags have most cap space in the league. Beyond #1 overall, they have another 1st rounder(rams), two 2nd rounders (including 2.01), a 3rd, two 4ths, and two 5ths.

If you sold JROB this year or are planning to sell him this offseason, I have some bad news for you.