Dynasty League Football Forum

TheTroll wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:05 am

Shcritters wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 6:27 am

DJB wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:04 am Would anyone trade Hockenson for Bowers or vice versa?

Depending on if/who MN gets at QB and where Bowers lands I would do that.

If MN takes a high upside QB and Bowers lands in a good spot then I could see him being ranked higher. It would take guts to do that now before those things clear up… but sometimes you need to gamble.

agree, now is an unecessary risk

FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:03 am I'd take Bowers. Minny doesn't have a QB like Cousins anymore, and Hock is looking at a lost season, or at least a season in which he won't be 100 percent.

DJB wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:04 am Would anyone trade Hockenson for Bowers or vice versa?

YouMightDieTryin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:43 am

FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:03 am I'd take Bowers. Minny doesn't have a QB like Cousins anymore, and Hock is looking at a lost season, or at least a season in which he won't be 100 percent.

x2. The MCL/ACL injury plays a great impact to this. If Hock bounces back he'll be 28 on a repaired knee (projecting a lost season). Give me the younger unknown asset.

FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:57 am

YouMightDieTryin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:43 am

FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:03 am I'd take Bowers. Minny doesn't have a QB like Cousins anymore, and Hock is looking at a lost season, or at least a season in which he won't be 100 percent.

x2. The MCL/ACL injury plays a great impact to this. If Hock bounces back he'll be 28 on a repaired knee (projecting a lost season). Give me the younger unknown asset.

The fact he did it so late in the season is a big negative for Hock's likely output next season, on top of the QB problem.

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethe ... 0the%20ACL.



After looking it up, it's actually worse than I thought.

He didn't have the surgery until JAN 29th!!!! This was due to letting the MCL heal on it's own, rather than operate on it.

ACL/MCL. He's got a little over 7 months from the surgery to when the season starts. No Bueno. PUP is almost inevitable to start the year.

FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:57 am

YouMightDieTryin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:43 am

FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:03 am I'd take Bowers. Minny doesn't have a QB like Cousins anymore, and Hock is looking at a lost season, or at least a season in which he won't be 100 percent.

x2. The MCL/ACL injury plays a great impact to this. If Hock bounces back he'll be 28 on a repaired knee (projecting a lost season). Give me the younger unknown asset.

The fact he did it so late in the season is a big negative for Hock's likely output next season, on top of the QB problem.

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethe ... 0the%20ACL.



After looking it up, it's actually worse than I thought.

He didn't have the surgery until JAN 29th!!!! This was due to letting the MCL heal on it's own, rather than operate on it.

ACL/MCL. He's got a little over 7 months from the surgery to when the season starts. No Bueno. PUP is almost inevitable to start the year.

Mjvb5 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 2:31 pm

gogobradyarm wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 2:03 pm I don’t think Bowers should fall past 1.04 in 1 QB PPR leagues. TEs in the first round are high hit rates.

While I agree that bowers is likely the lock 1.4 or 1.5 in 1 qb. rd 1 TE is not a high hit rate
RD1 TEs since 2010
Dalton kincaid-early but lets say hit
Kyle pitts- meh
Noah Fant-bust
TJ Hock-hit after 5 years before that solid meh
Hayden Hurst-bust
Njoku-bust till year 6
Evan Engram- bust till year 6
OJ Howard bust
Eric Ebron- meh to bust
Tyler Eifert-bust
Jermaine Gresham- meh to bust

you have from these 11, 4 outright busts, one early looking hit, three late breakout hits and the rest were just meh or worse. So unless our saying that you are committing to hold onto a first round pick for 5+ years before really knowing what you put a first rounder into I wouldnt call them a high hit rate, accounting for that were looking at 4/11 hitting

Mjvb5 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 2:31 pm

gogobradyarm wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 2:03 pm I don’t think Bowers should fall past 1.04 in 1 QB PPR leagues. TEs in the first round are high hit rates.

While I agree that bowers is likely the lock 1.4 or 1.5 in 1 qb. rd 1 TE is not a high hit rate
RD1 TEs since 2010
Dalton kincaid-early but lets say hit
Kyle pitts- meh
Noah Fant-bust
TJ Hock-hit after 5 years before that solid meh
Hayden Hurst-bust
Njoku-bust till year 6
Evan Engram- bust till year 6
OJ Howard bust
Eric Ebron- meh to bust
Tyler Eifert-bust
Jermaine Gresham- meh to bust

you have from these 11, 4 outright busts, one early looking hit, three late breakout hits and the rest were just meh or worse. So unless our saying that you are committing to hold onto a first round pick for 5+ years before really knowing what you put a first rounder into I wouldnt call them a high hit rate, accounting for that were looking at 4/11 hitting

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:31 pm Just to add some context, Eifert was a total beast. He was just done in by injuries. I’d say from a talent perspective, maybe at least half the list are busts. Then half of the remaining busts were kinda due to injury and not talent. So, sure, the outlook isn’t that great for 1st round TEs but it’s not necessarily bc they sucked at football. I think the true hit rate is higher than the list would suggest. Probably a bad string of luck the past 10 years or so. But that’s just my opinion anyway.

mild wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:40 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:31 pm Just to add some context, Eifert was a total beast. He was just done in by injuries. I’d say from a talent perspective, maybe at least half the list are busts. Then half of the remaining busts were kinda due to injury and not talent. So, sure, the outlook isn’t that great for 1st round TEs but it’s not necessarily bc they sucked at football. I think the true hit rate is higher than the list would suggest. Probably a bad string of luck the past 10 years or so. But that’s just my opinion anyway.

Could we attribute a little of that to the nature of the position? ie. the physicality of playing TE not only means a slower ramp-up time for most rookies (to adjust to the physicality) but also comes with the added risk of serious injury due to playing on the line and trying to block TJ Watt?

mild wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:43 pmBut does anyone here actually believe this, and have a good reason of why it might go any better for Bowers? Because in scouting him, there are some eerie similarities that won't appease the "I want a traditional TE who blocks" crowd...

mild wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:40 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:31 pm Just to add some context, Eifert was a total beast. He was just done in by injuries. I’d say from a talent perspective, maybe at least half the list are busts. Then half of the remaining busts were kinda due to injury and not talent. So, sure, the outlook isn’t that great for 1st round TEs but it’s not necessarily bc they sucked at football. I think the true hit rate is higher than the list would suggest. Probably a bad string of luck the past 10 years or so. But that’s just my opinion anyway.

Could we attribute a little of that to the nature of the position? ie. the physicality of playing TE not only means a slower ramp-up time for most rookies (to adjust to the physicality) but also comes with the added risk of serious injury due to playing on the line and trying to block TJ Watt?

Say what we want about WR's, but they simply don't get roughed up the same way...

gogobradyarm wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 2:03 pm I don’t think Bowers should fall past 1.04 in 1 QB PPR leagues. TEs in the first round are high hit rates.