Dynasty League Football Forum

frerichs5 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:34 am

richardweston1233 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 2:49 am I need to know if tanking is ok. I have the top 3 picks in the draft if I tank. Why would I want to win at this point. Can I bench a potential big scoring player or 2 and not get heat from my league? Is there an etiquette where we shouldn't do this?

My opinion, no. But if you don’t have rules set up against it…I guess anything goes.

I don’t deal with this in my leagues, everyone sets their best lineups. Record doesn’t determine draft order as others have mentioned.

When I read about it like this though, I always hope for poetic justice. Maybe a team tanks now….needs help for playoff seeding in a year or two, but gets knocked out because someone else tanked against a completely different team. Remember tanking doesn’t only effect you.

For the record, I didn't try to lose. I fielded my best team and lost anyways. I also know it effects other teams, I wouldn't even consider it if I were playing a fringe team. I would have gone my best lineup no matter what because I dont want it to effect anyone.

This week I was playing the guy that if he wins I get the 3rd pick and if I won he would get the 3rd pick. I couldn't jeopardize my integrity either way, I played who I should have and my team just didn't do well.

Anyways I wouldn't have considered it if it were going to jeopardize someone else's season. This was a loser bracket match either way.

moishetreats wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:19 pm @Bronco Bill and @Pac_Eddy:

I agree with you and I should have been more clear -- trading vets at below market value to get them off your team...

Appreciate the clarification. Value is always in the eye of the beholder, but if there’s a serious discrepancy then I agree with you.

Bronco Billy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:22 pm

moishetreats wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:19 pm @Bronco Bill and @Pac_Eddy:

I agree with you and I should have been more clear -- trading vets at below market value to get them off your team...

Appreciate the clarification. Value is always in the eye of the beholder, but if there’s a serious discrepancy then I agree with you.

Shedding potential points is fine. Nothing wrong with it, unless you can't set a full lineup, as a result. It's hard to get anything for aging vets, when you're a non contender, because people know the reality, that you don't need them, and it hurts your team, so it actually affects "market value".

Dropping players who have you have no need for, long term, and serve no purpose to your build, is fine too. Like Justin Watson. No problems with a team rebuilding dropping the guy, lest he score the odd TD and hurt their draft pick.

FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:30 pm

Bronco Billy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:22 pm

moishetreats wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:19 pm @Bronco Bill and @Pac_Eddy:

I agree with you and I should have been more clear -- trading vets at below market value to get them off your team...

Appreciate the clarification. Value is always in the eye of the beholder, but if there’s a serious discrepancy then I agree with you.

Shedding potential points is fine. Nothing wrong with it, unless you can't set a full lineup, as a result. It's hard to get anything for aging vets, when you're a non contender, because people know the reality, that you don't need them, and it hurts your team, so it actually affects "market value".

In this is in essence what is wrong with potential points. You HAVE to drop or sell players that aren't a sure dynasty asset. Most likely sell at a discount for reasons you mentioned.

I'm in a SF league where 2 teams 'compete' for the 1.02. One of the teams doesn't field a QB and miss 1 RB that is playing this week, and actually have the roster spaces to pick up Flacco and RB to put in the line-up.

Haven’t we had this discussion approximately 75 times already? On an airplane… otherwise I’d go search for those 75 other threads…

trc wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:56 am In this is in essence what is wrong with potential points. You HAVE to drop or sell players that aren't a sure dynasty asset. Most likely sell at a discount for reasons you mentioned.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. I'll take that situation over setting weak lineups every day. Selling or dropping assets means your team IS weaker, not pretending to be for a draft pick.

Even if it's not in the bylaws, sitting stud players to secure draft position opens up a box that you don't want to open and it can ruin leagues very quickly.

Also, there may come a time where you need a team to lose so you can get in the playoffs. It would suck if that team gets to play a team sitting their best players, right?

I don't care for leagues that allow tanking, so I don't participate in them. Just a me preference thing. Not worth getting all worked up about it, I just gravitate away from said leagues.

Victory Points will help avoid bad beats for teams and make the league more fun.
Potential Points keeps people from tanking, as the draft order is set by total potential points, not your starting lineup.

wickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:42 pm Victory Points will help avoid bad beats for teams and make the league more fun.
Potential Points keeps people from tanking, as the draft order is set by total potential points, not your starting lineup.

I just see both as manipulations. Mine as well green light tanking if you take the element of the unknown out of fantasy.

murphysxm wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:30 pm

wickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:42 pm Victory Points will help avoid bad beats for teams and make the league more fun.
Potential Points keeps people from tanking, as the draft order is set by total potential points, not your starting lineup.

I just see both as manipulations. Mine as well green light tanking if you take the element of the unknown out of fantasy.

Unknown? All potential points does is seeds the draft according to how your team would have done in best ball. It isn’t best ball though. The actual wins and losses are still based on your lineup choices, so playoffs and meaningful wins still depend on lineup choice. It just de-incentivizes people from “trying to lose” via a lineup choice, because the pick seeding isn’t based on record, but more so on the talent/production of your entire roster.

trc wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:56 am

FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:30 pm

Bronco Billy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:22 pm

Appreciate the clarification. Value is always in the eye of the beholder, but if there’s a serious discrepancy then I agree with you.

Shedding potential points is fine. Nothing wrong with it, unless you can't set a full lineup, as a result. It's hard to get anything for aging vets, when you're a non contender, because people know the reality, that you don't need them, and it hurts your team, so it actually affects "market value".

In this is in essence what is wrong with potential points. You HAVE to drop or sell players that aren't a sure dynasty asset. Most likely sell at a discount for reasons you mentioned.

I'm in a SF league where 2 teams 'compete' for the 1.02. One of the teams doesn't field a QB and miss 1 RB that is playing this week, and actually have the roster spaces to pick up Flacco and RB to put in the line-up.

Yeah, that's an oversight by the commish, you need to be able to field an active starting lineup, or you suffer penalties. You need to roster a QB, and roster enough players that you aren't starting nobody, or injured players, players on bye's etc. Needs to be defined in the league bylaws.

Valhalla wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:29 pm

murphysxm wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:30 pm

wickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:42 pm Victory Points will help avoid bad beats for teams and make the league more fun.
Potential Points keeps people from tanking, as the draft order is set by total potential points, not your starting lineup.

I just see both as manipulations. Might as well green light tanking if you take the element of the unknown out of fantasy.

Unknown? All potential points does is seeds the draft according to how your team would have done in best ball. It isn’t best ball though. The actual wins and losses are still based on your lineup choices, so playoffs and meaningful wins still depend on lineup choice. It just de-incentivizes people from “trying to lose” via a lineup choice, because the pick seeding isn’t based on record, but more so on the talent/production of your entire roster.

Yep. That's what I'm saying. Thanks.

VPs don't eliminate chance, just takes some of the sting off of being the 2nd best team playing the best team and losing 188 to 175 when the next highest score was 140. I like it, and almost all of my leagues use it. It keeps a "lucky" team out of the playoffs where they are most likely going to get smoked. That "worse" team now gets a "worse" pick.

PPs just help the worst TOTAL team to get a slightly better pick and it helps prevent tanking. In the NFL do you call it? Parity?

As always, play in a league that works for you.

But to give an example, here is one league I'm in where we use Record and PP and how it would be sorted for the bottom six teams:

STANDARD (Record)

07. Yo Mama 022 7-5-0
08. The Fantasy Football Team 4-8-0
09. EverTheAgeist 4-8-0
10. Policy Gronks 3-9-0
11. Medford Mooners 2-10-0
12. WindyCity WindyCity 1-11-0

PPS (Potential Points)

07. EverTheAgeist 1786.02
08. The Fantasy Football Team 1779.18
09. Yo Mama 022 1743.76
10. Policy Gronks 1684.58
11. WindyCity 1668.58
12. Medford Mooners 1573.48

IDK if that makes it better or worse for you, but what it does for me is let me know people didn't tank and the worst team got the best pick.

FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:38 pm

trc wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:56 am

FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:30 pm

Shedding potential points is fine. Nothing wrong with it, unless you can't set a full lineup, as a result. It's hard to get anything for aging vets, when you're a non contender, because people know the reality, that you don't need them, and it hurts your team, so it actually affects "market value".

In this is in essence what is wrong with potential points. You HAVE to drop or sell players that aren't a sure dynasty asset. Most likely sell at a discount for reasons you mentioned.

I'm in a SF league where 2 teams 'compete' for the 1.02. One of the teams doesn't field a QB and miss 1 RB that is playing this week, and actually have the roster spaces to pick up Flacco and RB to put in the line-up.

Yeah, that's an oversight by the commish, you need to be able to field an active starting lineup, or you suffer penalties. You need to roster a QB, and roster enough players that you aren't starting nobody, or injured players, players on bye's etc. Needs to be defined in the league bylaws.

It is in the bylaws, that you should always field a lineup that you believe that can win.
Currently the commish is silent, as there isn't defined penalties in bylaws... Plus it is seemingly due to personal reasons the lineup was lackluster.

The difference between the 2 teams is under 10 points.