Michael Thomas Thread: Still a WR1?

[Cameron Giles]

I can understand that volume idea.
But I'm still looking for at least one other exemple of a stud WR with a volume as low as Thomas volume.
It might be unprecedented and therefore brings legitimate doubts.

The closest comparable I think of right now is DeVante Parker:

Parker (Age 21, Junior): 55 rec, 885 yards, 12 touchdowns, .22% market share yards, .36% market share TD, 70 targets
Thomas (Age 21, Junior): 56 rec, 781 yards, 9 touchdowns, .32% market share yards, .47% market share TD, 85 targets

Parker hasn't exactly proven he's a stud yet, but his value is pretty high and he looked really good to close out last season.

[Diti51]

would argue more AJ Green than Parker. Either way, landing spot for him is key.

[ImaRounder]

take this post down now! you're ruining everything!

[hailtoyourvictor]

I'm no college football expert - but Thomas has a very respectable stat line given the Ohio State QB situation and only 325 pass attempts and a measly 204 completions..

Doesn't he?

He had a similar stat line in 2014 when Barrett / Jones combined for 259 of 406 (63.8%) and 41 TDs.

[hailtoyourvictor]

FWIW,

In the past two years:
Treadwell has gone for 100+ yards 9 times in 22 games.
Thomas has gone for 100+ yards 2 times in 28 games.


The two teams Thomas went for 100+ against? Rutgers and Maryland who went a combined 1-13 against the rest of the Big Ten this season.

[themburns]

I'm no college football expert - but Thomas has a very respectable stat line given the Ohio State QB situation and only 325 pass attempts and a measly 204 completions..

Doesn't he?

He had a similar stat line in 2014 when Barrett / Jones combined for 259 of 406 (63.8%) and 41 TDs.

Repeating a stat line with less targets and less opportunities shows he was more efficient and was improving. Also, Devin Smith was there in 2014 eating up the deep looks that look good on the stat sheets. This one won't be settled with statistical arguments. It's going to be NFL draft grade that will move my opinion on Thomas. If the league says he isn't worth a top 50 ish pick in this draft, then he isn't what I thought.

[ImaRounder]

FWIW,

In the past two years:
Treadwell has gone for 100+ yards 9 times in 22 games.
Thomas has gone for 100+ yards 2 times in 28 games.


The two teams Thomas went for 100+ against? Rutgers and Maryland who went a combined 1-13 against the rest of the Big Ten this season.

your picture says it all. *ichigan fans can't turn their blinders off to evaluate a player who was clearly underutilized in urban's system. it's not thomas' fault the bucks have subpar quarterbacks and the best running back in college football.

[Coogan Football]

FWIW,

In the past two years:
Treadwell has gone for 100+ yards 9 times in 22 games.
Thomas has gone for 100+ yards 2 times in 28 games.


The two teams Thomas went for 100+ against? Rutgers and Maryland who went a combined 1-13 against the rest of the Big Ten this season.

your picture says it all. *ichigan fans can't turn their blinders off to evaluate a player who was clearly underutilized in urban's system. it's not thomas' fault the bucks have subpar quarterbacks and the best running back in college football.

He still has a good point though

[ajmyk]

I can understand that volume idea.
But I'm still looking for at least one other exemple of a stud WR with a volume as low as Thomas volume.
It might be unprecedented and therefore brings legitimate doubts.

The closest comparable I think of right now is DeVante Parker:

Parker (Age 21, Junior): 55 rec, 885 yards, 12 touchdowns, .22% market share yards, .36% market share TD, 70 targets
Thomas (Age 21, Junior): 56 rec, 781 yards, 9 touchdowns, .32% market share yards, .47% market share TD, 85 targets

Parker hasn't exactly proven he's a stud yet, but his value is pretty high and he looked really good to close out last season.

Except that... Parker did that in HALF A SEASON while Thomas started all 13 games. Not even close.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

I can understand that volume idea.
But I'm still looking for at least one other exemple of a stud WR with a volume as low as Thomas volume.
It might be unprecedented and therefore brings legitimate doubts.

The closest comparable I think of right now is DeVante Parker:

Parker (Age 21, Junior): 55 rec, 885 yards, 12 touchdowns, .22% market share yards, .36% market share TD, 70 targets
Thomas (Age 21, Junior): 56 rec, 781 yards, 9 touchdowns, .32% market share yards, .47% market share TD, 85 targets

Parker hasn't exactly proven he's a stud yet, but his value is pretty high and he looked really good to close out last season.

Except that... Parker did that in HALF A SEASON while Thomas started all 13 games. Not even close.

Senior year not Junior. But I agree I don't think Thomas is close to Parker and the comparison is slightly misleading.

[ImaRounder]

FWIW,

In the past two years:
Treadwell has gone for 100+ yards 9 times in 22 games.
Thomas has gone for 100+ yards 2 times in 28 games.


The two teams Thomas went for 100+ against? Rutgers and Maryland who went a combined 1-13 against the rest of the Big Ten this season.

your picture says it all. *ichigan fans can't turn their blinders off to evaluate a player who was clearly underutilized in urban's system. it's not thomas' fault the bucks have subpar quarterbacks and the best running back in college football.

He still has a good point though

barely. take the time to actually watch an ohio state game against a worthy opponent this past year. what was stressed more than anything with their game plan this year was ball control. they believed in bubble screens, zone reads, and stretch plays. getting their skill guys in space while minimizing the risk of a turnover. not saying it was a smart game plan. the coaches didn't believe their quarterbacks could make the right read/throw. hard to blame a player on the outside for that.

put on the tape. numbers don't always translate.

[Coogan Football]

[ take the time to actually watch an ohio state game against a worthy opponent this past year. what was stressed more than anything with their game plan this year was ball control. they believed in bubble screens, zone reads, and stretch plays. getting their skill guys in space while minimizing the risk of a turnover. not saying it was a smart game plan. the coaches didn't believe their quarterbacks could make the right read/throw. hard to blame a player on the outside for that.

put on the tape. numbers don't always translate.

I agree, the game plan was very conservative and ball-control'ish


PS, I've watched every bit of the OSU tape, I wrote an article on Zeke Elliott that came out a few weeks ago.

http://dynastyleaguefootball.com/2016/0 ... l-elliott/

[ImaRounder]

[ take the time to actually watch an ohio state game against a worthy opponent this past year. what was stressed more than anything with their game plan this year was ball control. they believed in bubble screens, zone reads, and stretch plays. getting their skill guys in space while minimizing the risk of a turnover. not saying it was a smart game plan. the coaches didn't believe their quarterbacks could make the right read/throw. hard to blame a player on the outside for that.

put on the tape. numbers don't always translate.

I agree, the game plan was very conservative and ball-control'ish


PS, I've watched every bit of the OSU tape, I wrote an article on Zeke Elliott that came out a few weeks ago.

http://dynastyleaguefootball.com/2016/0 ... l-elliott/

don't worry I read the article.

disagree with the trusting blockers part, but hey, zeke is perfect in my eyes.

[Cameron Giles]

I can understand that volume idea.
But I'm still looking for at least one other exemple of a stud WR with a volume as low as Thomas volume.
It might be unprecedented and therefore brings legitimate doubts.

The closest comparable I think of right now is DeVante Parker:

Parker (Age 21, Junior): 55 rec, 885 yards, 12 touchdowns, .22% market share yards, .36% market share TD, 70 targets
Thomas (Age 21, Junior): 56 rec, 781 yards, 9 touchdowns, .32% market share yards, .47% market share TD, 85 targets

Parker hasn't exactly proven he's a stud yet, but his value is pretty high and he looked really good to close out last season.

Except that... Parker did that in HALF A SEASON while Thomas started all 13 games. Not even close.

That was in 12 games as a junior. Parker was on pace to kill those numbers as a senior.

I think Parker and Thomas have different styles, but that's the closest statistical/situation comparison that came to mind.

[Cameron Giles]

your picture says it all. *ichigan fans can't turn their blinders off to evaluate a player who was clearly underutilized in urban's system. it's not thomas' fault the bucks have subpar quarterbacks and the best running back in college football.

He still has a good point though

barely. take the time to actually watch an ohio state game against a worthy opponent this past year. what was stressed more than anything with their game plan this year was ball control. they believed in bubble screens, zone reads, and stretch plays. getting their skill guys in space while minimizing the risk of a turnover. not saying it was a smart game plan. the coaches didn't believe their quarterbacks could make the right read/throw. hard to blame a player on the outside for that.

put on the tape. numbers don't always translate.

Exactly. It's not like Thomas received a huge volume of opportunity and did nothing with them.

Ole Miss has a much more prolific offensive attack.