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tstafford wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:18 pm I get that MHJR not testing is frustrating. But if the NFL doesn't care (as evidenced by his actual draft capital) then I'd argue we shouldn't either. If he drops, then I'm with you.

During Wednesday's Pro Day, as Stroud performed the throwing portion of his workout, Harrison Jr. ran routes for his former quarterback. While the young wide receiver isn't eligible for the draft until next year, he still managed to earn the attention of everyone in attendance. According to ESPN's Jordan Reid, one NFL scout stated that watching Marvin Harrison Jr. was “Like window shopping at a Lamborghini dealership for the model that doesn’t come out until next year.”

DJB wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:59 am Nabers ran a reported 4.34 at the LSU pro day

Further confirms to me that hes still my WR1

Edit he also has a
• Vertical jump: 42"
• Broad jump: 10'9"

tstafford wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:18 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:01 pm

Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 12:43 pm

Not that Williams was a bad prospect or something, but I just don't ever remember him looking like Harrison or being talked about as a similar level of prospect. He's been marked as the favorite to be the first non QB off the board for two straight years and we've seen nothing to make us question that.

Granted, tape isn't everything, but some players are just so plainly elite that you don't even second guess it because of a lack of testing.

Yeah, all fair. If he had the juice, he’d probably want to show it off though. Chase had nothing to gain either but still showed it off.

Or, maybe not. Maybe he just doesn’t give a crap. Very possible. I’m just saying, Nabers is an electric player. And now he’s backed it up. Why not go with the surer thing. Just my opinion anyway

Edit: here’s another hot take. I’d take Odunze over MHJ as well.

I get that MHJR not testing is frustrating. But if the NFL doesn't care (as evidenced by his actual draft capital) then I'd argue we shouldn't either. If he drops, then I'm with you.

Shoreline Steamers wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:06 pm Maybe not the place for it, but I've been thinking that analytical/statistical modeling of incoming rookies may become increasingly difficult to do in the future. For the top draft eligible players, they've already been informed by NFL scouting departments what kind of draft grade they're sitting on prior to declaring. It's why some athletes decide to return to school versus coming out early if they don't like what they're hearing.

And, if you know you're already highly thought of what do you have to gain by participating in the combine/pro days? You can prove you're worth the evaluation you've already been given, or have a bad day and sow a little doubt. If this trend of non-participation by top athletes continues, or becomes more commonplace, where does the analytic information on these players come from?

tstafford wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:18 pm I get that MHJR not testing is frustrating. But if the NFL doesn't care (as evidenced by his actual draft capital) then I'd argue we shouldn't either. If he drops, then I'm with you.

The key thing with WR draft modeling is that once you add in draft capital, every stat from our spreadsheets add almost zero predictive power. Eat Arby’s.

mild wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:57 pm

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The key thing with WR draft modeling is that once you add in draft capital, every stat from our spreadsheets add almost zero predictive power. Eat Arby’s.

Testing and advanced stats is great and all, but Draft Capital remains the biggest of the big kahuna burgers when we talk about WR's and predictive models.

FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:29 pm

DJB wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:59 am Nabers ran a reported 4.34 at the LSU pro day

Further confirms to me that hes still my WR1

Edit he also has a
• Vertical jump: 42"
• Broad jump: 10'9"

Me too.

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:06 pm

mild wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:57 pm

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The key thing with WR draft modeling is that once you add in draft capital, every stat from our spreadsheets add almost zero predictive power. Eat Arby’s.

Testing and advanced stats is great and all, but Draft Capital remains the biggest of the big kahuna burgers when we talk about WR's and predictive models.

That isn't true though when you break down WR's into subgroups. Shorter and taller WR's are not the same. Valhalla's thread about BMI for example. The talking heads of the draft and of fantasy football don't do this type of stuff because it's time consuming and also requires a bit of creativity.

Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:38 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:06 pm

mild wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:57 pm

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Testing and advanced stats is great and all, but Draft Capital remains the biggest of the big kahuna burgers when we talk about WR's and predictive models.

That isn't true though when you break down WR's into subgroups. Shorter and taller WR's are not the same. Valhalla's thread about BMI for example. The talking heads of the draft and of fantasy football don't do this type of stuff because it's time consuming and also requires a bit of creativity.

But isn't the prevailing thought that draft capital already assumes all of this information anyway? The NFL has every stat that we have and more.

I get the frustration from people who love data, but at some point if the league is saying it doesn't matter, then...it probably doesn't matter. We know he's not Mike Williams, because we watch football. We just don't have any tangible combine metrics to know for sure that he's Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, etc.

Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:29 pm

tstafford wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:18 pm I get that MHJR not testing is frustrating. But if the NFL doesn't care (as evidenced by his actual draft capital) then I'd argue we shouldn't either. If he drops, then I'm with you.

Also, keep in mind that NFL scouts saw him last year at Ohio State's pro day.

During Wednesday's Pro Day, as Stroud performed the throwing portion of his workout, Harrison Jr. ran routes for his former quarterback. While the young wide receiver isn't eligible for the draft until next year, he still managed to earn the attention of everyone in attendance. According to ESPN's Jordan Reid, one NFL scout stated that watching Marvin Harrison Jr. was “Like window shopping at a Lamborghini dealership for the model that doesn’t come out until next year.”

Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:38 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:06 pm

mild wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:57 pm

via Winks:



Testing and advanced stats is great and all, but Draft Capital remains the biggest of the big kahuna burgers when we talk about WR's and predictive models.

That isn't true though when you break down WR's into subgroups. Shorter and taller WR's are not the same. Valhalla's thread about BMI for example. The talking heads of the draft and of fantasy football don't do this type of stuff because it's time consuming and also requires a bit of creativity.

But isn't the prevailing thought that draft capital already assumes all of this information anyway?

DJB wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:59 am Nabers ran a reported 4.34 at the LSU pro day

Further confirms to me that hes still my WR1

Edit he also has a
• Vertical jump: 42"
• Broad jump: 10'9"

mild wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:36 pm

DJB wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:59 am Nabers ran a reported 4.34 at the LSU pro day

Further confirms to me that hes still my WR1

Edit he also has a
• Vertical jump: 42"
• Broad jump: 10'9"

FWIW his 40 looks a lot more like a 4.5 than a 4.34.

https://twitter.com/jacoblogginsnba/sta ... 20806?s=46

Doesn't change a thing, of course. The tape is the tape.