Post Draft Rookie Rankings

[Ice]

Hall

Walker
Burks
Wilson
Williams

Watson
London
Olave

Moore
Pickens
Dotson

Really struggling with where to fit in Pickett in SF. Could easily see him in the second tier. Couldn't have him with Hall though.

Our draft boards are very close.

[mild]

I prefer higher draft capital, but if I remember correctly it needs to be top 5 NFL draft to really lock up a near sure thing. So even 1.08 for Drake isn't a lock.

200-plus pound early-declare WRs drafted in the top-10 since 2011:
AJ Green, Julio Jones, Justin Blackmon, Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Amari Cooper, Mike Williams, Ja'Marr Chase, Drake London.

200-plus pound non-early-declare WRs drafted in the top-10 since 2011:
Corey Davis, Kevin White.

And to your specific "top 5" thing - since 2011, that would be:
Corey Davis (5th), Sammy Watkins (4th), Amari Cooper (4th), Justin Blackmon (5th), Ja'marr Chase (5th)

So yeah, maybe go re-check wherever you read that nonsense

[SteveMaddensShoes]

I prefer higher draft capital, but if I remember correctly it needs to be top 5 NFL draft to really lock up a near sure thing. So even 1.08 for Drake isn't a lock.

200-plus pound early-declare WRs drafted in the top-10 since 2011:
AJ Green, Julio Jones, Justin Blackmon, Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Amari Cooper, Mike Williams, Ja'Marr Chase, Drake London.

200-plus pound non-early-declare WRs drafted in the top-10 since 2011:
Corey Davis, Kevin White.

And to your specific "top 5" thing - since 2011, for a profile like Drakes, that would be:
Corey Davis (5th), Sammy Watkins (4th), Amari Cooper (4th), Justin Blackmon (5th), Ja'marr Chase (5th)

So yeah, maybe go re-check wherever you read that nonsense

Man, the Board of Disinformation Governance will be knocking on my door soon.

My apologies. So I am wrong there. Drake is in good company.

I’ll stop quoting whatever I imagined I’d read.

Mild, where did you get that information? Did you manually compile it yourself? Good stuff and thanks.

[Pullo Vision]

Watson in the same tier as Drake London (nevermind over him) looks like waaay overvaluing situation over draft capital.

[smbkrypt24]

I adjusted some things, but here is mine:
1. B. Hall
2. G. Wilson
3. K. Walker
4. D. London
5. C. Olave
6. J. Williams
7. T. Burks
8. J. Dotson
9. C. Watson
10. S. Moore
11. G. Pickens
12. W. Robinson
13. J. Metchie
14. A. Pierce
15. T. Thorton
16. J. Cook
17. D. Bell

[mild]

200-plus pound early-declare WRs drafted in the top-10 since 2011:
AJ Green, Julio Jones, Justin Blackmon, Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Amari Cooper, Mike Williams, Ja'Marr Chase, Drake London.

200-plus pound non-early-declare WRs drafted in the top-10 since 2011:
Corey Davis, Kevin White.

And to your specific "top 5" thing - since 2011, that would be:
Corey Davis (5th), Sammy Watkins (4th), Amari Cooper (4th), Justin Blackmon (5th), Ja'marr Chase (5th)

So yeah, maybe go re-check wherever you read that nonsense

Drake is in good company.

Mild, where did you get that information? Did you manually compile it yourself? Good stuff and thanks.

It was only playful admonishment, don't take me too seriously.

Really REALLY good company. Elite b/o age, early declare, elite production, elite draft capital. If analytics play any part in your decision making at all, then this is likely your WR1 in 2022 just like it was the NFL's.

JJ Zachariason compiled the first bit of that at the end of the 1st Round yesterday. You can find that and many of his other excellent opinions here.

And if you want to know why Drake London was already the analytic WR 1.01 lock before he'd even gotten 1st round DC, I highly recommend DFBeanCounters thread right here.

[SteveMaddensShoes]

200-plus pound early-declare WRs drafted in the top-10 since 2011:
AJ Green, Julio Jones, Justin Blackmon, Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Amari Cooper, Mike Williams, Ja'Marr Chase, Drake London.

200-plus pound non-early-declare WRs drafted in the top-10 since 2011:
Corey Davis, Kevin White.

And to your specific "top 5" thing - since 2011, that would be:
Corey Davis (5th), Sammy Watkins (4th), Amari Cooper (4th), Justin Blackmon (5th), Ja'marr Chase (5th)

So yeah, maybe go re-check wherever you read that nonsense

Drake is in good company.

Mild, where did you get that information? Did you manually compile it yourself? Good stuff and thanks.

It was only playful admonishment, don't take me too seriously.

Really REALLY good company. Elite b/o age, early declare, elite production, elite draft capital. If analytics play any part in your decision making at all, then this is likely your WR1 in 2022 just like it was the NFL's.

JJ Zachariason compiled the first bit of that at the end of the 1st Round yesterday. You can find that and many of his other excellent opinions here.

And if you want to know why Drake London was already the analytic WR 1.01 lock before he'd even gotten 1st round DC, I highly recommend DFBeanCounters thread right here.

No offense taken. Error correction is a necessity to improvement!

I’ll check out the threads.

I wish I liked Drake more :/

[Jigga94]

Ordered with tiers
Hall
Walker
London, Burks, Wilson
Pickett, Jameson, Olave
- fairly big drop -
Watson, R White, Cook, Moore, Pickens, Dotson

Not really a set order on these last guys just throwing them in there as my next favorites. I figured they would get day 2 capital, but some of these landing spots solidify them here over the next group of guys. I will say I keep moving Olave and Dotson down and London and Burks up. But not much else has changed.

[Jigga94]

Hall

London
Burks
Walker
Wilson

Jameson
Pickett
Olave

Watson
Moore
Dotson
White
Cook??

We agree a lot on here in general I think so I'm not surprised to see our ranks very close.

[Jigga94]

I adjusted some things, but here is mine:
1. B. Hall
2. G. Wilson
3. K. Walker
4. D. London
5. C. Olave
6. J. Williams
7. T. Burks
8. J. Dotson
9. C. Watson
10. S. Moore
11. G. Pickens
12. W. Robinson
13. J. Metchie
14. A. Pierce
15. T. Thorton
16. J. Cook
17. D. Bell

Why so low on Burks?

[Ice]

Watson in the same tier as Drake London (nevermind over him) looks like waaay overvaluing situation over draft capital.

I had Watson over London way before the draft and nothing has changed my mind.

I get many including some scouts like London but players that can’t separate in college don’t last too long in the NFL as a general rule.

London runs like he is in quicksand IMO and has a high bust factor.

Watson and London may be similar in size but only one runs like Calvin Johnson while the other has the speed of a middling TE.

Looking forward to checking back in a few years once they develop in the big boy league.

[YouMightDieTryin]

I don't want to be Kevin White'd again.

[cazzie33]

Watson in the same tier as Drake London (nevermind over him) looks like waaay overvaluing situation over draft capital.

I had Watson over London way before the draft and nothing has changed my mind.

I get many including some scouts like London but players that can’t separate in college don’t last too long in the NFL as a general rule.

London runs like he is in quicksand IMO and has a high bust factor.

Watson and London may be similar in size but only one runs like Calvin Johnson while the other has the speed of a middling TE.

Looking forward to checking back in a few years once they develop in the big boy league.

Brilliant minds think alike ...

London has better ball skills which is huge but it's not to say Watson can't get better to close the gap there as he never saw a huge volume in the run first program in college.

Watson has the much better QB for immediate production and a clear path to being option 1 if he catches on sooner than later. London is still in competition with Pitts to be option 1 .

Breece is the only RB1 so is clear #1 overall. WR has only a few that project to be in line as team #1 anytime soon. London , Watson, Burks and Wilson plus Jameson whenever he gets totally healthy.

Olave , Dotson , Skyy , Pickens , etc... are looking at secondary roles. Pickett I wouldn't bet on beating out Trubisky and no TE is threatening to be a TE1.

PRETTY POOR DRAFT CLASS if you were expecting to add to a contender.Not a whole lot better if in a rebuild.

[dondickenson]

I still maintain this is a below average draft class. But it reminds me of 2019, which did have some big hits, so I do expect a few of these guys to pay off big. But which ones beyond Breece Hall is going to be really hard to figure out. Anyways, here are my initial positional rankings that I’ll use to make my picks in 2 rookie drafts starting later tonight:

QB:
1 Willis
2 Ridder
3 Pickett
4 Corral
5 Howell

RB:
1 Hall
2 Walker
3 R White
4 Spiller
5 Pierce
6 Cook
7 Z White
8 Robinson Jr
9 Davis-Price
10 Allgeier
11 K Williams
12 Strong Jr
13 Ford
14 Haskins
15 Harris
16 Conner

WR:
1 Burks
2 London
3 Wilson
4 Williams
5 Moore
6 Watson
7 D Bell
8 Pickens
9 W Robinson
10 Tolbert
11 Metchie
12 Pierce
13 C Austin III
14 Shakir
15+ Thornton, Gray, Justyn Ross???

TE:
1 McBride
2 Woods
3 Dulcich
4 Likely
5+ Ruckert, Cotten, ?

RD 1 Combined 1QB rank would be:
1 RB Hall
2 WR Burks
3 WR London
4 RB Walker
5 WR Wilson
6 WR Williams
7 WR Moore
8 RB R White
9 WR D Bell
10 RB Spiller
11 WR Pickens
12 RB Pierce

Edit: Damn edited out Dotson and Olave because I am low on them. They are both in the Pickens/Wandale tier for me.

[mgscott]

I still maintain this is a below average draft class. But it reminds me of 2019, which did have some big hits, so I do expect a few of these guys to pay off big. But which ones beyond Breece Hall is going to be really hard to figure out. Anyways, here are my initial positional rankings that I’ll use to make my picks in 2 rookie drafts starting later tonight:

QB:
1 Willis
2 Ridder
3 Pickett
4 Corral
5 Howell

RB:
1 Hall
2 Walker
3 R White
4 Spiller
5 Pierce
6 Cook
7 Z White
8 Robinson Jr
9 Davis-Price
10 Allgeier
11 K Williams
12 Strong Jr
13 Ford
14 Haskins
15 Harris
16 Conner

WR:
1 Burks
2 London
3 Wilson
4 Williams
5 Moore
6 Watson
7 D Bell
8 Pickens
9 W Robinson
10 Tolbert
11 Metchie
12 Pierce
13 C Austin III
14 Shakir
15+ Thornton, Gray, Justyn Ross???

TE:
1 McBride
2 Woods
3 Dulcich
4 Likely
5+ Ruckert, Cotten, ?

RD 1 Combined 1QB rank would be:
1 RB Hall
2 WR Burks
3 WR London
4 RB Walker
5 WR Wilson
6 WR Williams
7 WR Moore
8 RB R White
9 WR D Bell
10 RB Spiller
11 WR Pickens
12 RB Pierce

You must really hate Olave