Trade for njoku?

[TroyH]

I would hold and just stick with Clay and RSJ. Njoku hasn't done anything yet and there are a lot of mouths to feed in Cleveland.

[hudini33]

People are paying more than a 2nd for Njoku? What has he done to warrant these prices? Also I'm pretty sure Goodwin's hype is high enough now that most Goodwin owners would expect more than Njoku to trade him.

He was a 1st round pick last year, and there's been nothing to diminish his value, not a chance a future 2 is worth Njoku. And I would happily trade Goodwin for Njoku, he's a decent player but quite frankly WRs at his level of production are relatively common. TEs with Njoku's talents, physical makeup and potential are very rare. Not a chance I'm trading him for Goodwin.

He was not a 1st round pick last year. He was an early to mid 2nd round pick and didn't do anything to improve his value. Now his situation gets more murky because Cleveland has added (regained) more proven pass catchers.

I think he meant NFL draft, where he was pick 29. But I agree, he didn't do anything to hurt his value, but also didn't do anything to improve it

[btv802]

He was not a 1st round pick last year.

2017 Rookie ADP for Njoku
May: 1.12
June: 1.12
July: 1.12
August: 2.01
September 1.12

FWIW I took him at 1.11 in my rookie draft. Only guy I truly regret whiffing on was Hunt.

[bjd5211]

He was a 1st round pick last year, and there's been nothing to diminish his value, not a chance a future 2 is worth Njoku. And I would happily trade Goodwin for Njoku, he's a decent player but quite frankly WRs at his level of production are relatively common. TEs with Njoku's talents, physical makeup and potential are very rare. Not a chance I'm trading him for Goodwin.

He was not a 1st round pick last year. He was an early to mid 2nd round pick and didn't do anything to improve his value. Now his situation gets more murky because Cleveland has added (regained) more proven pass catchers.

I think he meant NFL draft, where he was pick 29. But I agree, he didn't do anything to hurt his value, but also didn't do anything to improve it

No I meant fantasy rookie drafts, he was a 1st round pick in every draft I was a part of, and the vast majority that I saw, bare minimum top 3 pick in the second round. Now he is the #5 TE in startup ADP, was #6 before the Henry injury. So he is absolutely worth a future 1st in value, but it makes little sense to turn around and trade a 22 year old that is still developing, and a couple of years away from his full potential, for a lateral move in draft value. I wouldn't trade Njoku for any less than 1.07 straight up in this years rookie draft.

[Space Cowboy]

There's something about the way he plays that gives me the Eric Ebron vibe. Not sure what it is though

Yeah neither one can catch.

[hudini33]

He was not a 1st round pick last year. He was an early to mid 2nd round pick and didn't do anything to improve his value. Now his situation gets more murky because Cleveland has added (regained) more proven pass catchers.

I think he meant NFL draft, where he was pick 29. But I agree, he didn't do anything to hurt his value, but also didn't do anything to improve it

No I meant fantasy rookie drafts, he was a 1st round pick in every draft I was a part of, and the vast majority that I saw, bare minimum top 3 pick in the second round. Now he is the #5 TE in startup ADP, was #6 before the Henry injury. So he is absolutely worth a future 1st in value, but it makes little sense to turn around and trade a 22 year old that is still developing, and a couple of years away from his full potential, for a lateral move in draft value. I wouldn't trade Njoku for any less than 1.07 straight up in this years rookie draft.

I think him being the #6 TE is ridiculous.

And he was at best the 1.12 in most drafts I saw last year. And Space Cowboy, that's probably it. He had a 10% drop rate. That's pretty bad..

[btv802]

There's something about the way he plays that gives me the Eric Ebron vibe. Not sure what it is though

Yeah neither one can catch.

Ebron has a season with 700 yards and a 70% catch rate on his resume, he can catch just fine

If Njoku can't catch than neither can Engram TBH. They posted a very similar catch rate in their rookie season despite Njoku having the one of the highest aDot among all tight ends last season and catching passes from Kizer and Hogan

[notweswelker]

He was not a 1st round pick last year. He was an early to mid 2nd round pick and didn't do anything to improve his value. Now his situation gets more murky because Cleveland has added (regained) more proven pass catchers.
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I do admit I would have liked to see him do more as he had virtually no competition for targets. A lot up in the air though. I wouldn't be selling him for a 2nd rounder though.

[btv802]

I do admit I would have liked to see him do more as he had virtually no competition for targets. A lot up in the air though. I wouldn't be selling him for a 2nd rounder though.

This is the all time list of TEs that put up at least 300 yards and 4 TDs in their age 21 rookie season.



It's crazy rare for TEs that young to be ready to be fantasy contributors.

[hudini33]

There's something about the way he plays that gives me the Eric Ebron vibe. Not sure what it is though

Yeah neither one can catch.

Ebron has a season with 700 yards and a 70% catch rate on his resume, he can catch just fine

If Njoku can't catch than neither can Engram TBH. They posted a very similar catch rate in their rookie season despite Njoku having the one of the highest aDot among all tight ends last season and catching passes from Kizer and Hogan

If you want honesty, engram might see a regression here too. He had great numbers last year because he was pretty much the only guy there. Now OBJ is back, Shephard is back, Barkley is there.

It's more that I watched Njoku last year, and I've watched Ebron, and they don't look very good to me. Things can change, I know, especially when Njoku is still 22, but I saw nothing to increase his value.

[btv802]

If you want honesty, engram might see a regression here too. He had great numbers last year because he was pretty much the only guy there. Now OBJ is back, Shephard is back, Barkley is there.

It's more that I watched Njoku last year, and I've watched Ebron, and they don't look very good to me. Things can change, I know, especially when Njoku is still 22, but I saw nothing to increase his value.

I don't really have a big problem with anything you've said in this post. Agree Engram is an easy regression candidate. Agree Njoku shouldn't have gained value after his rookie season. Neither Ebron or Njoku have done anything particular exceptional in their careers yet.

I'd bet most Njoku owners value him about the same place where they took him last year and that's in the late 1st-early 2nd range. When most people reference Njoku as being "worth a 2nd" I assume they mean a "random" mid '19 2nd which is def worth less than a player valued in the late 1st-early 2nd range by most owners. For me that's a gap closed by another 2nd rounder which is basically what I paid this offseason.

The guy I traded with took Gallup and Goedert with those two 2nds. Gallup feels kinda JAG-like in a bad situation with early opportunity so whatever...Goedert is staring at a ceiling of 300 yards and 4 TDs for the entire duration of his rookie contract in Philly unless Ertz gets hurt. I'd make the trade for Njoku again no questions asked.

[bjd5211]

I think Ebron is being overblown how "bad" he is. Not saying he's not been disappointing, but that was almost inevitable as a TE drafted in the top 10. He's still only 25 years old, TEs typically take longer to develop and he was very raw. His stats have actually been decent, but because he's not putting up Gronk numbers he's a considered a failure due to his enormous draft investment. I think he's a serious breakout candidate this year and great buy low option.

[BigBawseRoss]

Yeah neither one can catch.

Ebron has a season with 700 yards and a 70% catch rate on his resume, he can catch just fine

If Njoku can't catch than neither can Engram TBH. They posted a very similar catch rate in their rookie season despite Njoku having the one of the highest aDot among all tight ends last season and catching passes from Kizer and Hogan

If you want honesty, engram might see a regression here too. He had great numbers last year because he was pretty much the only guy there. Now OBJ is back, Shephard is back, Barkley is there.

It's more that I watched Njoku last year, and I've watched Ebron, and they don't look very good to me. Things can change, I know, especially when Njoku is still 22, but I saw nothing to increase his value.

this is a false narrative that has been debunked on this forum probably 10,000 times (i am exaggerating obviously)

[hudini33]

Ebron has a season with 700 yards and a 70% catch rate on his resume, he can catch just fine

If Njoku can't catch than neither can Engram TBH. They posted a very similar catch rate in their rookie season despite Njoku having the one of the highest aDot among all tight ends last season and catching passes from Kizer and Hogan

If you want honesty, engram might see a regression here too. He had great numbers last year because he was pretty much the only guy there. Now OBJ is back, Shephard is back, Barkley is there.

It's more that I watched Njoku last year, and I've watched Ebron, and they don't look very good to me. Things can change, I know, especially when Njoku is still 22, but I saw nothing to increase his value.

this is a false narrative that has been debunked on this forum probably 10,000 times (i am exaggerating obviously)

Debunked how? OBJ there will eat into Engram's targets. No?

[BigBawseRoss]

I think Ebron is being overblown how "bad" he is. Not saying he's not been disappointing, but that was almost inevitable as a TE drafted in the top 10. He's still only 25 years old, TEs typically take longer to develop and he was very raw. His stats have actually been decent, but because he's not putting up Gronk numbers he's a considered a failure due to his enormous draft investment. I think he's a serious breakout candidate this year and great buy low option.

bro, he has been that for the past however many years lol. there hasnt bee a season since he was drafted where he wasnt a great buy low and a serious breakout candidate. seriously