Dynasty League Football Forum

maxhyde wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:09 pm

skip wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:22 pm

GridironGuerilla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:23 pm No IR designation by NFL/MFL, no IR eligibility.

Exactly how my leagues have always done it. Players out for other reasons (PUP, SUS, etc.) are not eligible and as soon as they are no longer on IR they must be activated or dropped.

This should always be the way it is if you have an IR at all

x4 whenever the player goes on IR in the NFL, and the hosting site allows it, is when you can do it.

skip wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:40 am

DLF3000 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:17 am We allow "Out" in ours for more flexibility, so it's really an IR/Out slot. Henry is already slotted in.

We had plenty of discussion on "Injured" players vs. IR slot usage. I know I always hated how some guys would be out for multiple weeks or months in a row, but not put on IR, which isn't fair or fun at all.

So you allow for a player to go on IR for a single week listed as out? So say it's 30 minutes before game time and a player who was questionable changes to an out status... He can go on IR?

This sounds like a nightmare lol.

I would love to hear from some more opinions and reasoning from the people who voted "yes". I'd also like to know what percentage of them commission leagues and would therefore be responsible for constantly policing the IR.

skip wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:40 am

DLF3000 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:17 am We allow "Out" in ours for more flexibility, so it's really an IR/Out slot. Henry is already slotted in.

We had plenty of discussion on "Injured" players vs. IR slot usage. I know I always hated how some guys would be out for multiple weeks or months in a row, but not put on IR, which isn't fair or fun at all.

So you allow for a player to go on IR for a single week listed as out? So say it's 30 minutes before game time and a player who was questionable changes to an out status... He can go on IR?

That's the standard IR setting on ESPN, so that's how my league does it as well. Yes, you can put a guy in the IR slot minutes before a game starts if he's ruled out. Once the week is over and he goes back to questionable, he's gotta come out or else you can't make any roster moves (the system doesn't allow it until your lineup is "legal").

skip wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:40 am

DLF3000 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:17 am We allow "Out" in ours for more flexibility, so it's really an IR/Out slot. Henry is already slotted in.

We had plenty of discussion on "Injured" players vs. IR slot usage. I know I always hated how some guys would be out for multiple weeks or months in a row, but not put on IR, which isn't fair or fun at all.

So you allow for a player to go on IR for a single week listed as out? So say it's 30 minutes before game time and a player who was questionable changes to an out status... He can go on IR?

Yep. Sure, some "Out" injuries are longer than others.

But yeah, we manage it more like an "injured X weeks up to and including actual IR" slot, which is more flexible for fantasy.

No solution is perfect, but this works for us.

I'm in the gang of people waiting to IR Hunter Henry and then adding some waiver TE to backup Rudolph. Commish feels bad for me, but it is what it is. We have deep enough rosters I could always drop one of my dart throw flyers for a TE but I'll wait it out. No good looking TEs on waivers anyway or maybe I would

If it's a roster limit issue, I would (and have) expanded roster limits during the off-season, just for such cases. Then when it's time to make roster cuts, by then, the IR should be available, and you can put your legit IR guys on there.

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GridironGuerilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:47 am
This sounds like a nightmare lol.

I would love to hear from some more opinions and reasoning from the people who voted "yes". I'd also like to know what percentage of them commission leagues and would therefore be responsible for constantly policing the IR.

Not sure why it's any more nightmarish than guys who are out forever never being designated IR and just taking up roster space.

No need to police on MFL either - all the settings already exist. Select other injury designations besides IR, force activation, etc.

It's simply another, more flexible way to handle injuries, instead of only "official" IR injuries.

If your league philosophy is that the IR isn't really just IR and is also a place to stick guys who have an "Out" designation, it is pretty simple and doesn't require policing, but it isn't really an IR at all in that case. It's an inactive roster.

If you have other "gray" areas in your league bylaws that allow IR designation, then you HAVE to select the "Any player may be placed on IR at any time" option as that, "IR", "IR or OUT", and "IR, OUT, and Doubtful" are the only other options. That will absolutely require policing by the commissioner.

That being said, I still disagree with allowing "Out" players on IR because, well... they're NOT on IR. It seems to me that an increase in roster size might make sense so you can roster enough backups you don't need to immediately IR a player so you can waiver wire hunt.

While there is often a lag between an NFL IR designation, and MFL picking it up, but it inevitably happens. If players are out, and the team decides not to IR them, that's just the way the cookie crumbles. I think we have all experienced these situations and it's driven us nuts! Hpwever, my opinion remains that IR is for IR, and to me that is as simple as it gets. I suppose that from my perspective, anything else is a nightmare lol.

I don't have the official language we used in the bylaws handy right now (because we changed this particular rule a couple years ago), but the league I commish used to have what we called a PUP spot.

One of our two IR spots was for players only on the official IR, but the other IR spot was for players who had a "significant injury" or worse but weren't on the official NFL IR. (Both spots could be used for IR players if desired)

So in the off-season, that spot was for guys like Hunter Henry who everyone knew was out for the year but it wasn't technically official yet. During the season however, that rule was for players who sprained their knee or ankle, or something that would knock them out for a good chunk of the season, but wasn't enough for their NFL team to put them on IR or even the IR-return.

Players with 4+ weeks of expected recovery time were eligible to be placed in that spot. Our rule mentioned that the official place to refer back to for recovery time frame was Rotoworld. (You couldn't slip a guy on there who was only out for one week, or scratched right before game time)

Once a player with a "significant injury" was placed on the PUP spot, they could not be removed for a minimum of 4 weeks. Once that 4-weeks had passed that player could be removed, and had to be removed once they no longer had an injury designation.

Since their were only 12 of those spots, it was not difficult at all to police.

I submitted a help ticket to MFL about creating a separate designated spot (apart from the IR spots MFL currently has) for players like this, but was shot down in the reply.

GridironGuerilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:44 am That being said, I still disagree with allowing "Out" players on IR because, well... they're NOT on IR. It seems to me that an increase in roster size might make sense so you can roster enough backups you don't need to immediately IR a player so you can waiver wire hunt.

Oh I'd rather we got rid of IR and taxi slots and all the "not worth it" I've now learned comes with those once-cool super-simulationist slots. And just give us a massive roster size bump instead.

For example, instead of 21 active, 4 taxi, and 2 IR/Out, give us 30-32 active roster slots, nothing else, done and done. Yes, please.

But just like the sacred cows of K and Def I've been fighting to kill off for years (not to mention annoying positional roster limits) this simple idea will take a lot of fighting for... and might never happen.

So I'll take roster flexibility any way I can get it.

DLF3000 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:47 pm

GridironGuerilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:44 am That being said, I still disagree with allowing "Out" players on IR because, well... they're NOT on IR. It seems to me that an increase in roster size might make sense so you can roster enough backups you don't need to immediately IR a player so you can waiver wire hunt.

Oh I'd rather we got rid of IR and taxi slots and all the "not worth it" I've now learned comes with those once-cool super-simulationist slots. And just give us a massive roster size bump instead.

For example, instead of 21 active, 4 taxi, and 2 IR/Out, give us 30-32 active roster slots, nothing else, done and done. Yes, please.

But just like the sacred cows of K and Def I've been fighting to kill off for years (not to mention annoying positional roster limits) this simple idea will take a lot of fighting for... and might never happen.

So I'll take roster flexibility any way I can get it.

I guess that depends on your league and set-up. If your dynasty league doesnt have contracts or years of service (and therefore more of a 40 man keeper league) then the taxi squad really doesn't matter and larger rosters are likely just as do-able. However if you have contracts (of x many years) and your taxi squad is designed to give you a better idea of the player prior to assigning a contract then no , you need the ts spots.

DLF3000 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:54 am

skip wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:40 am

DLF3000 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:17 am We allow "Out" in ours for more flexibility, so it's really an IR/Out slot. Henry is already slotted in.

We had plenty of discussion on "Injured" players vs. IR slot usage. I know I always hated how some guys would be out for multiple weeks or months in a row, but not put on IR, which isn't fair or fun at all.

So you allow for a player to go on IR for a single week listed as out? So say it's 30 minutes before game time and a player who was questionable changes to an out status... He can go on IR?

Yep. Sure, some "Out" injuries are longer than others.

But yeah, we manage it more like an "injured X weeks up to and including actual IR" slot, which is more flexible for fantasy.

No solution is perfect, but this works for us.

Two of my leagues use this as well. We have zero problems with allowing players listed as "out" going on the IR, but it's also specified in the bylaws of the league. Doubtful and suspended are not allowed on IR.

I get that it could cause a headache or cause the commissioner to make gut decisions, which some wouldn't want to happen.

DLF3000 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:47 pm
Oh I'd rather we got rid of IR and taxi slots and all the "not worth it" I've now learned comes with those once-cool super-simulationist slots. And just give us a massive roster size bump instead.

Right, good one. No matter how massive your roster size is, after a season or two, you and several other owners will be grumbling about carrying IR players and begging for an IR!!

Embrace it!!

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