Matthew Stafford Thread - Year 13 Rejuvenated in LA?

[stapel0]

What has Calvin Johnson ever done without Stafford? Calvin Johnson's stat line really show the greatness of Stafford. Take out all Stafford's work and Calvin averages less than 1 fantasy point per game!

[ccj]

What has Calvin Johnson ever done without Stafford? Calvin Johnson's stat line really show the greatness of Stafford. Take out all Stafford's work and Calvin averages less than 1 fantasy point per game!

That's not true. Calvin was Calvin in 2007, 2008, and 2010 (Stafford only three games in 2010). Stafford has only two career games without Calvin:
14 for 33, 168 yards, 0 TD, 1 Int, 1 rush TD
25 for 40, 262 yards, 1 TD, 0 Int

However, all that being said, Stafford is a great fantasy QB. There, I said it. I managed to accept that Cam Newton is a great fantasy QB last year (even though I doubted him again coming into this season)... I can accept Stafford is as well. Still wouldn't be super happy with either of them at the helm of my real NFL team, but I'll take them on my fantasy squad.

[voiceofunreason]

Take away Calvin Johnson's production and Stafford's stat line was 19-34 159 0TDs and 2 INTs. Today was an exhibition of Calvin's brilliance, not Stafford's.

Brees is the only guy I can think of that has had big success without great players around him (before Jimmy Graham). But he had a lot of decent players and a great coach. Brady puts up numbers if he has the guys, Manning has always had at least 1 HoFer to throw to and always a ton of talent. Numbers at qb are highly related to the guys around you and the offensive system.

I do admit that Stafford was bad last year though. He's clearly impoved and matured in my eyes this year. I've been a big supporter and felt he never should have been outside of the top 5 dynasty qbs. I love having a young qb who is going to play with the best wr in the game for a long time. Add a better TE and a solid wr2 and they'd be unstoppable.

[Risky bidness]

The throw Stafford made to Durham on the fake spike TD score drive was probably his best ball all day. That was an elite clutch throw.

[KMA]

I still don't get those earlier statements...what the heck does he have to do? Go 20/20 400 3TDs every week of the season without Calvin to finally get props from some people? That final drive was a thing of beauty. Very impressive. Last year, I would have been waiting for that costly interception or drop.

[dm1129]

You're right. Guess we should subtract all of Jerry Rice's yards and ads from Joe Montana and Steve Young. Those guys sucked! They obviously only benefited from playing with the greatest WR of all time.

Montana and Young were outstanding throwing to receivers not named Jerry Rice....

Stafford is simply feeding the ball to Calvin even though he is constantly double or even triple-teamed. Calvin makes the catch because he is the most physically dominant/gifted receiver the NFL has ever seen and he is in his prime. We are witnessing something very special as football fans. To suggest that this is because of Stafford is simply ridiculous. I can think of at least a dozen or more QBs in the league that could achieve the same result with Calvin. Conversely, there is no other receiver capable of doing what Calvin is currently accomplishing.

Yesterday was an exhibition of Calvin's brilliance.

[WZA]

You're right. Guess we should subtract all of Jerry Rice's yards and ads from Joe Montana and Steve Young. Those guys sucked! They obviously only benefited from playing with the greatest WR of all time.

Montana and Young were outstanding throwing to receivers not named Jerry Rice....

Stafford is simply feeding the ball to Calvin even though he is constantly double or even triple-teamed. Calvin makes the catch because he is the most physically dominant/gifted receiver the NFL has ever seen and he is in his prime. We are witnessing something very special as football fans. To suggest that this is because of Stafford is simply ridiculous. I can think of at least a dozen or more QBs in the league that could achieve the same result with Calvin. Conversely, there is no other receiver capable of doing what Calvin is currently accomplishing.

Yesterday was an exhibition of Calvin's brilliance.

I think you're alone on this one...

[WZA]

You're right. Guess we should subtract all of Jerry Rice's yards and ads from Joe Montana and Steve Young. Those guys sucked! They obviously only benefited from playing with the greatest WR of all time.

Montana and Young were outstanding throwing to receivers not named Jerry Rice....

Stafford is simply feeding the ball to Calvin even though he is constantly double or even triple-teamed. Calvin makes the catch because he is the most physically dominant/gifted receiver the NFL has ever seen and he is in his prime. We are witnessing something very special as football fans. To suggest that this is because of Stafford is simply ridiculous. I can think of at least a dozen or more QBs in the league that could achieve the same result with Calvin. Conversely, there is no other receiver capable of doing what Calvin is currently accomplishing.

Yesterday was an exhibition of Calvin's brilliance.

What are your thought about Larry Fitzgerald? Arguably one of the best WRs in the game for a long time. How has he performed without a good QB? I'll answer that for you...Larry sucks.

WRs can't throw the ball to themselves. A WRs value is completely tied to the QB.

[KMA]

You're right. Guess we should subtract all of Jerry Rice's yards and ads from Joe Montana and Steve Young. Those guys sucked! They obviously only benefited from playing with the greatest WR of all time.

Montana and Young were outstanding throwing to receivers not named Jerry Rice....

Stafford is simply feeding the ball to Calvin even though he is constantly double or even triple-teamed. Calvin makes the catch because he is the most physically dominant/gifted receiver the NFL has ever seen and he is in his prime. We are witnessing something very special as football fans. To suggest that this is because of Stafford is simply ridiculous. I can think of at least a dozen or more QBs in the league that could achieve the same result with Calvin. Conversely, there is no other receiver capable of doing what Calvin is currently accomplishing.

Yesterday was an exhibition of Calvin's brilliance.

What are your thought about Larry Fitzgerald? Arguably one of the best WRs in the game for a long time. How has he performed without a good QB? I'll answer that for you...Larry sucks.

WRs can't throw the ball to themselves. A WRs value is completely tied to the QB.

WZA, I was just coming in to post the same EXACT thing. Larry Fitzgerald. But I can't tell if he's just trolling or serious about this. I hope he's trolling. Statements like this can cause serious harm to one's credibility. As if it's Stafford's fault he plays with Calvin.

[WZA]

Look at Calvin's career numbers. His best years have come with a healthy Matt Stafford. Calvin benefits from Stafford and Stafford benefits from Calvin. Same can be said with virtually every great QB-WR combo.

[Never Veto1]

Look at Calvin's career numbers. His best years have come with a healthy Matt Stafford. Calvin benefits from Stafford and Stafford benefits from Calvin. Same can be said with virtually every great QB-WR combo.

^^^^^This all day. Someone has to throw the ball and someone has to catch the ball. They are both playing very well right now. I'm very happy to have Stafford and wish I could get Calvin.

[dm1129]

You're right. Guess we should subtract all of Jerry Rice's yards and ads from Joe Montana and Steve Young. Those guys sucked! They obviously only benefited from playing with the greatest WR of all time.

Montana and Young were outstanding throwing to receivers not named Jerry Rice....

Stafford is simply feeding the ball to Calvin even though he is constantly double or even triple-teamed. Calvin makes the catch because he is the most physically dominant/gifted receiver the NFL has ever seen and he is in his prime. We are witnessing something very special as football fans. To suggest that this is because of Stafford is simply ridiculous. I can think of at least a dozen or more QBs in the league that could achieve the same result with Calvin. Conversely, there is no other receiver capable of doing what Calvin is currently accomplishing.

Yesterday was an exhibition of Calvin's brilliance.

What are your thought about Larry Fitzgerald? Arguably one of the best WRs in the game for a long time. How has he performed without a good QB? I'll answer that for you...Larry sucks.

WRs can't throw the ball to themselves. A WRs value is completely tied to the QB.

If you think Larry Fitzgerald is Calvin Johnson, more power to you. Completely different type of players.

[dm1129]

Look at Calvin's career numbers. His best years have come with a healthy Matt Stafford. Calvin benefits from Stafford and Stafford benefits from Calvin. Same can be said with virtually every great QB-WR combo.

Again, Calvin could be teamed up with at least a dozen other QBs currently in the league and have the same results. Stafford simply throwing the ball to a double/triple teamed receiver and have it end with consistently good results will only happen with Calvin at this level of success.....

[SpaderDude]

If you go back and watch the tape, Stafford doesn't "constantly" throw to a doubled and triple-teamed Calvin. Are there a few times each game, yes. But to deny that Stafford is at all responsible for ANY success that Calvin has is rediculous. Stafford fell into a lot of bad habits last year and had fantasy owners frustrated. He's clearly cleaned some of those things up and has regained the confidence of many who had him in their top 5 dynasty QB rankings. Sounds like pure hating here with very little sound argument.

[Never Veto1]

Yea dm1129, just admit you don't like Stafford, it seems pretty obvious.