How high do you take jonathan brooks

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Re: How high do you take jonathan brooks

Postby Anteaters » Sun May 19, 2024 5:15 pm

TheTroll wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 5:12 pm
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Finfansteve wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 4:06 pm So basically he’ll be in play between 1.05-1.07 in 1QB leagues?
One hour ago, he went 1.2 in a 1qb league draft I was in.
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I get it that rookie WRs are the darlings of dynasty world. But at some point, teams have to draft for need.

This "draft for talent" sounds good on paper, but doesn't always work in the real world. If a team is stacked and ready to contend, but light at RB, I can't think of a good reason to draft a WR who will not play for that fantasy team over a RB who will start from week 1.

I'm in this to win, not have value on paper.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, CWilliams
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, DLloyd; (DE/DL) Sieler; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, VJefferson, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver, Waller
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Re: How high do you take jonathan brooks

Postby frerichs5 » Sun May 19, 2024 5:56 pm

Anteaters wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 5:15 pm
TheTroll wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 5:12 pm
Anteaters wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 5:10 pm

One hour ago, he went 1.2 in a 1qb league draft I was in.
Can’t fix stupid
I get it that rookie WRs are the darlings of dynasty world. But at some point, teams have to draft for need.

This "draft for talent" sounds good on paper, but doesn't always work in the real world. If a team is stacked and ready to contend, but light at RB, I can't think of a good reason to draft a WR who will not play for that fantasy team over a RB who will start from week 1.

I'm in this to win, not have value on paper.
I’d agree if you’re in a league where it’s just nearly impossible to trade. But in general, I’d be pretty confident I’d be able to trade Nabers for a RB I like better than Brooks.

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Re: How high do you take jonathan brooks

Postby Anteaters » Sun May 19, 2024 8:57 pm

frerichs5 wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 5:56 pm
Anteaters wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 5:15 pm
TheTroll wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 5:12 pm

Can’t fix stupid
I get it that rookie WRs are the darlings of dynasty world. But at some point, teams have to draft for need.

This "draft for talent" sounds good on paper, but doesn't always work in the real world. If a team is stacked and ready to contend, but light at RB, I can't think of a good reason to draft a WR who will not play for that fantasy team over a RB who will start from week 1.

I'm in this to win, not have value on paper.
I’d agree if you’re in a league where it’s just nearly impossible to trade. But in general, I’d be pretty confident I’d be able to trade Nabers for a RB I like better than Brooks.
Understandable on a case-by-case basis.

In this case, right or wrong, the manager liked Brooks a lot. Also, the manager (not me) did not want the uncertainty of trying to trade a rookie WR he did not need just to get a RB he did need. He felt he could get the RB he wanted simply by drafting him. In this case, he filled a team need and got the player he wanted to fill a position of need. If he gets to the championship game, I'm sure he'll consider it a win.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, CWilliams
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, DLloyd; (DE/DL) Sieler; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, VJefferson, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver, Waller
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Re: How high do you take jonathan brooks

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun May 19, 2024 9:04 pm

I'd take Benson over him, but I think that he's fine to take anywhere after the QB's and the top 3 WR's, and Bowers. Late first, early 2nd.
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Re: How high do you take jonathan brooks

Postby MacDaddy123 » Sun May 19, 2024 10:36 pm

All depends on how much you value RB's.
I've seen Brooks go anywhere between 1.07 and 2.05 in 12 team SF TEP rookie drafts so far.

I was happy the guy took Brooks at 1.07, because I was sitting at 1.08, and Odunze fell into my lap. :clap:

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Re: How high do you take jonathan brooks

Postby CGW » Mon May 20, 2024 4:49 am

Anteaters wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 5:15 pm
TheTroll wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 5:12 pm
Anteaters wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 5:10 pm

One hour ago, he went 1.2 in a 1qb league draft I was in.
Can’t fix stupid
I get it that rookie WRs are the darlings of dynasty world. But at some point, teams have to draft for need.

This "draft for talent" sounds good on paper, but doesn't always work in the real world. If a team is stacked and ready to contend, but light at RB, I can't think of a good reason to draft a WR who will not play for that fantasy team over a RB who will start from week 1.

I'm in this to win, not have value on paper.
To be fair, Brooks probably won't start week 1 either. At this point he is 6 months removed from ACL surgery. Wouldnt be surprised if he starts the season on PUP, and when he does play, they will ease him into a committee early on.

I'll maybe take a lower ADP RB if it's the same tier player and I really need a RB, but I won't bump an RB up a tier. I'd be much more likely to trade my pick for vet if I'm a true contender and need production now. I never want to depend on rookies unless it's a can't miss prospect like Bijan, Barkley, etc. Brooks isn't that.

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Re: How high do you take jonathan brooks

Postby Anteaters » Mon May 20, 2024 4:54 am

CGW wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 4:49 am
Anteaters wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 5:15 pm
TheTroll wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 5:12 pm

Can’t fix stupid
I get it that rookie WRs are the darlings of dynasty world. But at some point, teams have to draft for need.

This "draft for talent" sounds good on paper, but doesn't always work in the real world. If a team is stacked and ready to contend, but light at RB, I can't think of a good reason to draft a WR who will not play for that fantasy team over a RB who will start from week 1.

I'm in this to win, not have value on paper.
To be fair, Brooks probably won't start week 1 either. At this point he is 6 months removed from ACL surgery. Wouldnt be surprised if he starts the season on PUP, and when he does play, they will ease him into a committee early on.

I'll maybe take a lower ADP RB if it's the same tier player and I really need a RB, but I won't bump an RB up a tier. I'd be much more likely to trade my pick for vet if I'm a true contender and need production now. I never want to depend on rookies unless it's a can't miss prospect like Bijan, Barkley, etc. Brooks isn't that.
I basically agree with most of that.

Slightly disagree with "can't miss" being ironically applied to Bijan who, for contenders who drafted him expecting instant RB1 production, was something of a miss as his ppg was not among the top 14 RBs. Great talent, no doubt, but he didn't deliver instant stud production. Even the greats can disappoint.

Mainly, I guess I just don't find it criminally negligent for a dynasty manager to take a RB before the 3rd or 2nd best rookie WR if his roster needs a RB.

In a vacuum, I agree with you almost completely.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, CWilliams
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, DLloyd; (DE/DL) Sieler; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, VJefferson, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver, Waller
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Re: How high do you take jonathan brooks

Postby CGW » Mon May 20, 2024 5:24 am

Anteaters wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 4:54 am
CGW wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 4:49 am
Anteaters wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 5:15 pm
I get it that rookie WRs are the darlings of dynasty world. But at some point, teams have to draft for need.

This "draft for talent" sounds good on paper, but doesn't always work in the real world. If a team is stacked and ready to contend, but light at RB, I can't think of a good reason to draft a WR who will not play for that fantasy team over a RB who will start from week 1.

I'm in this to win, not have value on paper.
To be fair, Brooks probably won't start week 1 either. At this point he is 6 months removed from ACL surgery. Wouldnt be surprised if he starts the season on PUP, and when he does play, they will ease him into a committee early on.

I'll maybe take a lower ADP RB if it's the same tier player and I really need a RB, but I won't bump an RB up a tier. I'd be much more likely to trade my pick for vet if I'm a true contender and need production now. I never want to depend on rookies unless it's a can't miss prospect like Bijan, Barkley, etc. Brooks isn't that.
I basically agree with most of that.

Slightly disagree with "can't miss" being ironically applied to Bijan who, for contenders who drafted him expecting instant RB1 production, was something of a miss as his ppg was not among the top 14 RBs. Great talent, no doubt, but he didn't deliver instant stud production. Even the greats can disappoint.

Mainly, I guess I just don't find it criminally negligent for a dynasty manager to take a RB before the 3rd or 2nd best rookie WR if his roster needs a RB.

In a vacuum, I agree with you almost completely.
I don't either, unless it's a big tier change...like MHJ, Nabers, Odunze vs Brooks/Benson. Too big of a talent gap to jump a tier for need for me.

But any league mates that may be reading this - I'm all for you taking Brooks at 1.01 because you need RBs!

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Re: How high do you take jonathan brooks

Postby SoftwoodGrampian » Mon May 20, 2024 6:40 am

Scarcity at RB makes the RB1 in this class the obvious choice directly after the blue chips. 1.9 sounds exactly right to me.

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Re: How high do you take jonathan brooks

Postby Nordiques » Mon May 20, 2024 8:54 am

Hi Everyone! new here

i took him at 1.9 in my dynasty league. Sflex

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Re: How high do you take jonathan brooks

Postby cowboysfan » Mon May 20, 2024 9:27 am

As crazy as this sounds, Brooks went 1.2 and Benson went 1.4 and I got Udanze at 1.5 in one of my drafts this weekend and I just saw Xavier Worthy go 1.2 in another league I’m in that’s drafting now. Crazy stuff and both leagues are 1 QB leagues.

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Re: How high do you take jonathan brooks

Postby Finfansteve » Mon May 20, 2024 9:59 am

cowboysfan wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 9:27 am As crazy as this sounds, Brooks went 1.2 and Benson went 1.4 and I got Udanze at 1.5 in one of my drafts this weekend and I just saw Xavier Worthy go 1.2 in another league I’m in that’s drafting now. Crazy stuff and both leagues are 1 QB leagues.
Well that’s certainly interesting but goes to show you people will draft for need not necessarily talent many many times. It probably also matters what part of the country you live in (homers) and the skill levels of the drafters earlier in drafts. As a hypothetical example, in my only keeper league I’m sitting at 1.04. Looking at 1.02 and 1.03, 1.02 literally has NO rbs he can start and 1.03 is a bills fan (we live in western ny) and needs wrs. I could see 1.02 taking brooks or benson and 1.03 taking Keon Coleman. We can say take talent over need or whatever but when the actual draft starts literally anything can happen
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Re: How high do you take jonathan brooks

Postby Hankybro21 » Mon May 20, 2024 1:29 pm

I’ve seen him go at 9, 11, 11, 12, and 16 (no idea what happened here). All SF leagues
Team 1
Q: Allen, Lamar
W: Devonta, Nuk, Godwin, Adams, Diontae, MT, Bateman, Toney, Osborn
R: JT, Henry, Ekeler, Gibbs, Mattison, Ford
T: Kelce

Team 2
Q: Allen, Mahomes, ARich
W: Jefferson, AJB, Tyreek, GW, Ridley, Godwin, MT, Downs, Toney
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, Breece, J. Cook, Kamara
T: Kelce, Hock
2024: 1.04, 1.05, Pick 21
2025: 1st (early), 1st (early), 1st (mid)

Team 3
Q: Lamar, Herbert, Goff, Geno
W: Chase, MHJ, AJB, Waddle, Pittman, Ridley, MT, Terrace Marshall, Downs
R: CMC, Bijan, Barkley, JT, Brooks, Ekeler
T: Andrews, Granson

Team 4
Q: Mahomes, Allen, Geno
W: Tyreek, Lamb, Ridley, Pittman, Diontae, MT
R: CMC, Henry, JT, Chubb, Dobbins, Tucker
T: Kelce, Gesicki, Kittle

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Re: How high do you take jonathan brooks

Postby Hankybro21 » Mon May 20, 2024 1:29 pm

I’ve seen him go at 9, 11, 11, 12, and 16 (no idea what happened here). All SF leagues
Team 1
Q: Allen, Lamar
W: Devonta, Nuk, Godwin, Adams, Diontae, MT, Bateman, Toney, Osborn
R: JT, Henry, Ekeler, Gibbs, Mattison, Ford
T: Kelce

Team 2
Q: Allen, Mahomes, ARich
W: Jefferson, AJB, Tyreek, GW, Ridley, Godwin, MT, Downs, Toney
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, Breece, J. Cook, Kamara
T: Kelce, Hock
2024: 1.04, 1.05, Pick 21
2025: 1st (early), 1st (early), 1st (mid)

Team 3
Q: Lamar, Herbert, Goff, Geno
W: Chase, MHJ, AJB, Waddle, Pittman, Ridley, MT, Terrace Marshall, Downs
R: CMC, Bijan, Barkley, JT, Brooks, Ekeler
T: Andrews, Granson

Team 4
Q: Mahomes, Allen, Geno
W: Tyreek, Lamb, Ridley, Pittman, Diontae, MT
R: CMC, Henry, JT, Chubb, Dobbins, Tucker
T: Kelce, Gesicki, Kittle

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Re: How high do you take jonathan brooks

Postby jponte3 » Mon May 20, 2024 5:32 pm

Appreciate everyones feedback!
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QB: D Watson, J hurts., T. Lance, S. howell
RB: Bijan, B Hall, J. Gibbs, A kamara, J. Ford, R. Johnson, K. Mitchell
WR: J. Chase, G. wilson, C. Watson, J. Dotson, , R. shaheed, C. austin, T. Scott, T. Tucker
TE: P. Freurmuth, J. Johnson, C. otton, T. Kraft


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