Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

[Jigga94]

Also, there’s been the majority fantasy analyst take that Maye is a bust in waiting so he seems to be being faded by most though not all.

You seem to be reading different material than I’m seeing. Maye absolutely passes the eye test and should be highly thought of if nothing else than overcoming the O line he was dealt.

I am pretty glad I've stepped back this offseason and missed the pre-draft hype crap.

Maye is still my QB2 and I fully expect him to go to Washington to officially kick off their mega rebuild.

[killer_of_giants]

Having said that, take a look at this chart.
https://x.com/fball_insights/status/1780777102825964031

Relatively close…

... to zach evans

https://x.com/ScottBarrettDFB/status/17 ... 9098208561

I stand by what I said.

me too!

if a couple of strings of numbers that kinda look the same is enough to get your juices flowing, great, fill yer boots!

[murphysxm]

Also, there’s been the majority fantasy analyst take that Maye is a bust in waiting so he seems to be being faded by most though not all.

You seem to be reading different material than I’m seeing. Maye absolutely passes the eye test and should be highly thought of if nothing else than overcoming the O line he was dealt.

I am pretty glad I've stepped back this offseason and missed the pre-draft hype crap.

Maye is still my QB2 and I fully expect him to go to Washington to officially kick off their mega rebuild.

I think Daniels is Washington's pick, but I also am still high on Maye

[Jigga94]

You seem to be reading different material than I’m seeing. Maye absolutely passes the eye test and should be highly thought of if nothing else than overcoming the O line he was dealt.

I am pretty glad I've stepped back this offseason and missed the pre-draft hype crap.

Maye is still my QB2 and I fully expect him to go to Washington to officially kick off their mega rebuild.

I think Daniels is Washington's pick, but I also am still high on Maye

I like Daniels a bit too, more for fantasy though. I think Washington may not want RG3 v2, though it is brand new ownership/management

[ThirdWW]

... to zach evans

https://x.com/ScottBarrettDFB/status/17 ... 9098208561

I stand by what I said.

me too!

if a couple of strings of numbers that kinda look the same is enough to get your juices flowing, great, fill yer boots!

Let’s say he goes 2nd round, how early would you take him?

[Bronco Billy]

https://x.com/ScottBarrettDFB/status/17 ... 9098208561

I stand by what I said.

me too!

if a couple of strings of numbers that kinda look the same is enough to get your juices flowing, great, fill yer boots!

Let’s say he goes 2nd round, how early would you take him?

I’d look at him mid Rd 2. Draft capital and opportunistic situations are all great, but that won’t change his limitations.

[wickerkat1212]

Chris Simms has Maye as his QB5 in this draft. I saw another QB evaluator (forget his name) say he has red flags on Maye for throwing balls in the dirt. So...there are some out there who are fading him.

[murphysxm]

Chris Simms has Maye as his QB5 in this draft. I saw another QB evaluator (forget his name) say he has red flags on Maye for throwing balls in the dirt. So...there are some out there who are fading him.

While I will agree that there are some questions about Drake, I am not sure Simms is the resource I want to lean on. He also had Hendon Hooker as his 3rd best QB in last year's class if I recall correctly.... He comes across to me as somebody looking for clicks.

[wickerkat1212]

Chris Simms has Maye as his QB5 in this draft. I saw another QB evaluator (forget his name) say he has red flags on Maye for throwing balls in the dirt. So...there are some out there who are fading him.

While I will agree that there are some questions about Drake, I am not sure Simms is the resource I want to lean on. He also had Hendon Hooker as his 3rd best QB in last year's class if I recall correctly.... He comes across to me as somebody looking for clicks.

I hear you, and I take it all with a grain of salt, but I did watch his video and another guy, a QB analyst, and they made some good points. I'm really curious to see what happens with Maye, with all of these QBs. I'm not in a position to draft any QBs in my Superflex league (not the top four anyway). Just thought I'd toss out a few POVs on Maye.

[Shcritters]

me too!

if a couple of strings of numbers that kinda look the same is enough to get your juices flowing, great, fill yer boots!

Let’s say he goes 2nd round, how early would you take him?

I’d look at him mid Rd 2. Draft capital and opportunistic situations are all great, but that won’t change his limitations.

@Killer - I don't think you're listening to what I've said. I didn't say he was Bijan, I said he was similar statistically - which is the point of citing those two examples. Absolutely he's well below Bijan, but depending on where he lands he could be a decently valuable RB. I think he could be a Sanders-type player (good comp given he was behind Barkley) that has value in the right situation.

My guess is he's going to go 2nd round in the NFL draft, and (like I said before) he'll gain value in 2H of the season as well as going into next year, given that it usually takes a year to get back fully from an ACL tear. If he goes into the 3rd then his value drops significantly.

For fantasy you are looking for one of two things in a RB - amazing talent (of which there are few - think Barkley, CMC, Hall, potentially Gibbs), or someone who is capable but is going to get volume. I view him as capable... so it is really going to be situation (volume) dependent. If he goes round 2 and lands in DAL, ARI, BAL, possibly LV... places where he has opportunity to be the RB1 at high volume then he could sneak into the late 1st, but likely early 2nd. I can absolutely see people taking a shot at him if they need a RB over some of the tier 2/tier 3 WR's at the end of the first. If he lands in a bad place with no line-of sight to touches - and if Benson (who many people have ranked #2) goes to a good place - then I see him dropping to the back-half of the 2nd.

Hope that clarifies.

[grandmabetty]

For reference Chris simms also had Zach Wilson as His QB1 in that class. I like the guy and he seems smart but not sure he should be relied upon heavily for QB evaluation lol

In his defense the jets could draft the 2nd coming of Dan Marino and turn him into Ryan leaf

[Dynasty DeLorean]

For reference Chris simms also had Zach Wilson as His QB1 in that class. I like the guy and he seems smart but not sure he should be relied upon heavily for QB evaluation lol

In his defense the jets could draft the 2nd coming of Dan Marino and turn him into Ryan leaf

You can look at it many ways, the Wilson thing wasn’t good but it also showed he was lower on Lawrence than most, which in hindsight was a correct take. Wilson was also buried by that Jets franchise, of course don’t get me wrong if Wilson was good he’d be good and he’s not, but he was actively harmed by the Jets organization as well. Simms got fooled by the level of competition with Wilson, which many people did. It’s never an easy thing to figure out how a player will translate to the NFl. There’s an alternate timeline in which Zach Wilson actually studies the playbook and succeeded in the NFL

From what I can see he had Stroud #1 last year. Simms puts a lot of stock in a QBs tools and how they fair in certain situations, so probably more often than not it works out for him but sometimes it can lead him astray as with Zach Wilson

Bottom line is that if Maye is erratic and inconsistent he’s not going to be ranked high by Simms. But that doesn’t mean he can’t turn into a really good QB eventually

I haven’t watched any Maye tape, but if he has an issue with throwing balls in the dirt then that would remind me a lot of Carson Wentz coming out of college

He also seemed lower than most on Trey Lance, Justin fields, Malik Willis, etc. His actual rankings are not always correct (like everyone else’s), but he’s right a lot of the times with who he’s higher or lower on.

[mild]

Chris Simms has Maye as his QB5 in this draft. I saw another QB evaluator (forget his name) say he has red flags on Maye for throwing balls in the dirt. So...there are some out there who are fading him.

While I will agree that there are some questions about Drake, I am not sure Simms is the resource I want to lean on. He also had Hendon Hooker as his 3rd best QB in last year's class if I recall correctly.... He comes across to me as somebody looking for clicks.

JT O'Sullivan from the QB School has Maye at QB4, and was almost tempted to put him QB5. (He really likes Penix)

https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesotavikin ... _rankings/

Naturally, the limitations of JT's style of analysis are that he's looking at it "right now" and very much from a mechanical and decision making point of view. I think even Maye's staunchest advocates (Nate Tice has him QB1) all agree that he has a lot to clean up mechanically / footwork wise.

But as a toolsy project, he's got the talent - for sure. I don't blame anyone that has him QB2 for having him there after CW.

[wickerkat1212]

Chris Simms has Maye as his QB5 in this draft. I saw another QB evaluator (forget his name) say he has red flags on Maye for throwing balls in the dirt. So...there are some out there who are fading him.

While I will agree that there are some questions about Drake, I am not sure Simms is the resource I want to lean on. He also had Hendon Hooker as his 3rd best QB in last year's class if I recall correctly.... He comes across to me as somebody looking for clicks.

JT O'Sullivan from the QB School has Maye at QB4, and was almost tempted to put him QB5. (He really likes Penix)

https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesotavikin ... _rankings/

Naturally, the limitations of JT's style of analysis are that he's looking at it "right now" and very much from a mechanical and decision making point of view. I think even Maye's staunchest advocates (Nate Tice has him QB1) all agree that he has a lot to clean up mechanically / footwork wise.

But as a toolsy project, he's got the talent - for sure. I don't blame anyone that has him QB2 for having him there after CW.

Thanks, I couldn't remember his name.

[mild]

So long as we're talking about Drake Maye for a second...

I wonder if he's going to be a good locker room guy?