Thanks for all the opinions so far. I agree with most of what everyone on both sides says. I know, from the value perspective, I'm giving up "more." The bottom line is what my threshold for gambling is.
There's the gamble on my team... If I'm a playoff team, the deal (in a vacuum) is a win. If I miss the playoffs, the deal will be a loss. But even with that, everything will be moot if I make the move, and the player I get at 6 is a stud... the other gamble.
The one thing I did do, as a result of all the opinions, was go back to let the owner know that I'm holding firm on getting back 2025 2nd. So the deal would be 1.06 + 2025 2nd for 1.12 + my 2025 1st + Conner, which was the initial counter that he waivered on before we went down the negotiation rabbit hole.
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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06
This was my thought as well for trying to make the move up. While there are no guarantees, the top 6 seem to have a greater chance of being impactful than who I might get at 12. I've tried with those holding the 7th and 8th picks and they are not willing to move.abloom wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:41 amNot all first round grades are the same. 1.06 guarantees a first round graded pick, 1.12 does not. I also believe there will be a significant drop off at either 1.07 or 1.08 depending on McCarthymoishetreats wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:21 amIMO, this is another reason *not* to make the trade. Let's say that there end up being 10 players you have with a 1st-round grade. It's almost never the exact same 10 players as everyone else in the league. There'd be a damn good chance one (or even two) would be available with the 12th pick.abloom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:31 pm I'd take the deal in a SF league. This is cheap to me. Conner may take a hit to value and late firsts are overvalued in my opinion. Your 2025 first is not a random first, it's likely late. Your team could use both a young QB or wr which is what you will get at 1.06. no clue what you are gonna get at 1.12 but right now I'm pretty sure I only have 10 players with a first round grade for fantasy. That number could go up or down after the NFL draft.
And, as you noted, there's a chance more -- even 12 -- could end up with a first-round grade.
Of course, fewer could, as well. That would certainly make it tough for one to fall to 12, and having 1.06 would be nice. I wouldn't make this trade now, as I mentioned before, and certainly not until after the draft (and, yes, you do run the risk of it not being available then).
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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06
Makes sense.Bay City Original wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:19 am Thanks for all the opinions so far. I agree with most of what everyone on both sides says. I know, from the value perspective, I'm giving up "more." The bottom line is what my threshold for gambling is.
There's the gamble on my team... If I'm a playoff team, the deal (in a vacuum) is a win. If I miss the playoffs, the deal will be a loss. But even with that, everything will be moot if I make the move, and the player I get at 6 is a stud... the other gamble.
The one thing I did do, as a result of all the opinions, was go back to let the owner know that I'm holding firm on getting back 2025 2nd. So the deal would be 1.06 + 2025 2nd for 1.12 + my 2025 1st + Conner, which was the initial counter that he waivered on before we went down the negotiation rabbit hole.
I'll add one other consideration: As a contender, having your 2025 1st available is HUGE. You might need to plug a hole in-season, and that's the best way to do it.
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Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball
QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble
2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th
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WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
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TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble
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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06
In Superflex you want to be in the top eight for sure. 1.12 + 2025 1st feels fair. Conner seems like a lot. But you have the depth. I initially thought it was too much, but with your RB depth and the 1.01 I think giving up two late 1sts + Conner seems like a good deal. You want to get into the top six.
I also have the 1.02 and 1.06 in a SF TEP (2 total PPR) league and I'm hoping to come away with Harrison/Williams at 1.02 and Bowers at 1.06. You're probably looking at Harrison and JJM/Bowers/Odunze.
I also have the 1.02 and 1.06 in a SF TEP (2 total PPR) league and I'm hoping to come away with Harrison/Williams at 1.02 and Bowers at 1.06. You're probably looking at Harrison and JJM/Bowers/Odunze.
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QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL
D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT
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QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
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QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL
D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT
Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
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QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06
Conner will almost certainly get competition in the draft given his injury history and looking at the Cardinals having 3 third round picks this year, in addition to 1.04, 1.27, and an early 2nd. After they plug the more glaring holes with their first 3 picks. I’m betting they draft someone in round 3.
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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06
While he will still have some value, I agree with you about Conner. That's why I was willing to add him to a deal as a "sweetener" who's value is probably at its peak at this time.BabyChark23 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:43 pm Conner will almost certainly get competition in the draft given his injury history and looking at the Cardinals having 3 third round picks this year, in addition to 1.04, 1.27, and an early 2nd. After they plug the more glaring holes with their first 3 picks. I’m betting they draft someone in round 3.
Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06
Agreed and Connor’s big competition is the blue medical tent first and foremost.Bay City Original wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 1:36 pmWhile he will still have some value, I agree with you about Conner. That's why I was willing to add him to a deal as a "sweetener" who's value is probably at its peak at this time.BabyChark23 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:43 pm Conner will almost certainly get competition in the draft given his injury history and looking at the Cardinals having 3 third round picks this year, in addition to 1.04, 1.27, and an early 2nd. After they plug the more glaring holes with their first 3 picks. I’m betting they draft someone in round 3.
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1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
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2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
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1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
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2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06
I have 1.06 and 1.12 pus next yr isn't enough... the talent drop is too steep. You gotta throw in a mid player (better than Connor) or the 2.12
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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06
Agreed.kellysheroes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:39 pm I have 1.06 and 1.12 pus next yr isn't enough... the talent drop is too steep. You gotta throw in a mid player (better than Connor) or the 2.12
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