DawgYouMightDieTryin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:16 am This report definitely moves Odunze to #3 for me. Tough grit is always an added bonus.
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FWIW - Kiper has Odunze #2 over Nabers. Kiper is what he is, but he at least watches the tape and has a perspective.YouMightDieTryin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:16 am This report definitely moves Odunze to #3 for me. Tough grit is always an added bonus.
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I thought Kiper's #2 was Coleman?tstafford wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:21 pmFWIW - Kiper has Odunze #2 over Nabers. Kiper is what he is, but he at least watches the tape and has a perspective.YouMightDieTryin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:16 am This report definitely moves Odunze to #3 for me. Tough grit is always an added bonus.
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Kiper will always be a valuable resource. That said, I'm taking Nabers over Odunze without blinking.tstafford wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:21 pmFWIW - Kiper has Odunze #2 over Nabers. Kiper is what he is, but he at least watches the tape and has a perspective.YouMightDieTryin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:16 am This report definitely moves Odunze to #3 for me. Tough grit is always an added bonus.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/101 ... vs-arizona
There will be some interesting opinions on this class. Dane Brugler heard from some scouts who think Brian Thomas Jr. is as good if not better than Nabers.
Obviously, without knowing who these scouts are and their credibility, it's just a simple opinion. After all, we saw a GM take Quentin Johnston over Zay Flowers and Jordan Addison in real time.
Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
Agreed on all of that. It's a really good WR class. And for whatever reason it seems folks are disappointed by that. Should be the opposite - build around WR (and QB in SF). Makes this a very fun draft IMO.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:39 pmKiper will always be a valuable resource. That said, I'm taking Nabers over Odunze without blinking.tstafford wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:21 pmFWIW - Kiper has Odunze #2 over Nabers. Kiper is what he is, but he at least watches the tape and has a perspective.YouMightDieTryin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:16 am This report definitely moves Odunze to #3 for me. Tough grit is always an added bonus.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/101 ... vs-arizona
There will be some interesting opinions on this class. Dane Brugler heard from some scouts who think Brian Thomas Jr. is as good if not better than Nabers.
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The 2024 Draft:tstafford wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:44 pmAgreed on all of that. It's a really good WR class. And for whatever reason it seems folks are disappointed by that. Should be the opposite - build around WR (and QB in SF). Makes this a very fun draft IMO.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:39 pmKiper will always be a valuable resource. That said, I'm taking Nabers over Odunze without blinking.
There will be some interesting opinions on this class. Dane Brugler heard from some scouts who think Brian Thomas Jr. is as good if not better than Nabers.
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Dane and friends aren't the only ones hyping Brian Thomas Jr.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:39 pm Kiper will always be a valuable resource. That said, I'm taking Nabers over Odunze without blinking.
There will be some interesting opinions on this class. Dane Brugler heard from some scouts who think Brian Thomas Jr. is as good if not better than Nabers.
Gonna borrow the post on Reddit about it - but Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rodgers just posted their WR ranks:
NFLSE just had an end of season video for looking at WRs. Here are the Top 15 WR rankings from two of our favorite draft analysts. LINK to the video. If you want to see how they break down each prospect then I highly recommend you go watch the video.
Trevor Sikkema
1. Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State
2. Malik Nabers, LSU
3. Rome Odunze, Washington
4. Devontez Walker, North Carolina
5. Brian Thomas Jr., LSU
6. Troy Franklin, Oregon
7. Ladd McConkey, Georgia
8. Emeka Egbuka, Ohio State
9. Keon Coleman, Florida State
10. Adonai Mitchell, Texas
11. Jermaine Burton, Alabama
12. Xavier Legette, S. Carolina
13. Xavier Worthy, Texas
14. Ja'Lynn Polk, Washington
15. Brenden Rice, USC
16. Ricky Pearsall, Florida
17. Jaylen McMillan, Washington
18. Johnny Wilson, Florida State
19. Roman Wilson, Michigan
20. Tory Horton, Colorado State
Connor Rogers
1. Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State
2. Malik Nabers, LSU
3. Rome Odunze, Washington
4. Brian Thomas Jr., LSU
5. Troy Franklin, Oregon
6. Devontez Walker, North Carolina
7. Emeka Egbuka, Ohio State
8. Keon Coleman, Florida State
9. Xavier Legette, S. Carolina
10. Ja'Lynn Polk, Washington
11. Adonai Mitchell, Texas
12. Ladd McConkey, Georgia
13. Xavier Worthy, Texas
14. Malachi Corley, W. Kentucky
15. Jamari Thrash, Louisville
How do we feel about these rankings? Anything pop out at first glance?
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I think these are pretty good. I don't know about McConkey at 7, but I will say that his tape is very solid. I just don't think he has much upside.mild wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:45 pmDane and friends aren't the only ones hyping Brian Thomas Jr.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:39 pm Kiper will always be a valuable resource. That said, I'm taking Nabers over Odunze without blinking.
There will be some interesting opinions on this class. Dane Brugler heard from some scouts who think Brian Thomas Jr. is as good if not better than Nabers.
Gonna borrow the post on Reddit about it - but Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rodgers just posted their WR ranks:
NFLSE just had an end of season video for looking at WRs. Here are the Top 15 WR rankings from two of our favorite draft analysts. LINK to the video. If you want to see how they break down each prospect then I highly recommend you go watch the video.
Trevor Sikkema
1. Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State
2. Malik Nabers, LSU
3. Rome Odunze, Washington
4. Devontez Walker, North Carolina
5. Brian Thomas Jr., LSU
6. Troy Franklin, Oregon
7. Ladd McConkey, Georgia
8. Emeka Egbuka, Ohio State
9. Keon Coleman, Florida State
10. Adonai Mitchell, Texas
11. Jermaine Burton, Alabama
12. Xavier Legette, S. Carolina
13. Xavier Worthy, Texas
14. Ja'Lynn Polk, Washington
15. Brenden Rice, USC
16. Ricky Pearsall, Florida
17. Jaylen McMillan, Washington
18. Johnny Wilson, Florida State
19. Roman Wilson, Michigan
20. Tory Horton, Colorado State
Connor Rogers
1. Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State
2. Malik Nabers, LSU
3. Rome Odunze, Washington
4. Brian Thomas Jr., LSU
5. Troy Franklin, Oregon
6. Devontez Walker, North Carolina
7. Emeka Egbuka, Ohio State
8. Keon Coleman, Florida State
9. Xavier Legette, S. Carolina
10. Ja'Lynn Polk, Washington
11. Adonai Mitchell, Texas
12. Ladd McConkey, Georgia
13. Xavier Worthy, Texas
14. Malachi Corley, W. Kentucky
15. Jamari Thrash, Louisville
How do we feel about these rankings? Anything pop out at first glance?
Interesting that they both feel similarly about Keon Coleman. I like Coleman, but I've enjoyed Thomas's tape much more.
Tez Walker has also looked very good.
Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
I just won the 2nd spot in our draft and I am so excited about Nabers (from watching highlights), the guy reminds me a lot of CeeDee Lamb, routes, hands, contested/acrobatic catches, not the fastest but great YAC regardless (runs with that dawg in him when he has the ball in his hands like Deebo).
I will say the popular WR3 in Odunze is nasty in his own right
I will say the popular WR3 in Odunze is nasty in his own right
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It's that 12th percentile separation statistic over the last 2 years that's scaring them.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 6:14 pm Interesting that they both feel similarly about Keon Coleman. I like Coleman, but I've enjoyed Thomas's tape much more.
For a guy as athletic as he is, it's very bad that his separation skills are basically non-existent.
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He's a freak of nature. The good thing about him though is that he plays up to his size and athleticism. His talent pops very often. I don't expect him to win in the ways that Harrison or Nabers do, but he'll have to make strides with his route running either way. His game is going to be one of those receivers who's open because of his size, athleticism and catch radius and not because he's leaving defenders in the dust.mild wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:48 pmIt's that 12th percentile separation statistic over the last 2 years that's scaring them.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 6:14 pm Interesting that they both feel similarly about Keon Coleman. I like Coleman, but I've enjoyed Thomas's tape much more.
For a guy as athletic as he is, it's very bad that his separation skills are basically non-existent.
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Former GM, right... Wonder if such a selection might have been another nail in his now sealed coffin?Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:39 pmKiper will always be a valuable resource. That said, I'm taking Nabers over Odunze without blinking.tstafford wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:21 pmFWIW - Kiper has Odunze #2 over Nabers. Kiper is what he is, but he at least watches the tape and has a perspective.YouMightDieTryin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:16 am This report definitely moves Odunze to #3 for me. Tough grit is always an added bonus.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/101 ... vs-arizona
There will be some interesting opinions on this class. Dane Brugler heard from some scouts who think Brian Thomas Jr. is as good if not better than Nabers.
Obviously, without knowing who these scouts are and their credibility, it's just a simple opinion. After all, we saw a GM take Quentin Johnston over Zay Flowers and Jordan Addison in real time.
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RB: J. Mixon, N. Chubb, A. Dillon, J. Cook, K. Mitchell, J. McLaughlin, Z. Evans
WR: J. Chase, C. Godwin, D. Johnson, J. Reed, C. Tillman
TE: TJ Hockenson, D. Njoku, B. Jordan
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RB: B. Robinson, K. Walker, R. Stevenson, K. Herbertl
WR: C. Olave, T. Higgins, B. Aiyuk, N. Collins, Z. Flowers, M. Mims
TE: K. Pitts, D. Njoku
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RB: J. Mixon, N. Chubb, A. Dillon, J. Cook, K. Mitchell, J. McLaughlin, Z. Evans
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TE: TJ Hockenson, D. Njoku, B. Jordan
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RB: B. Robinson, K. Walker, R. Stevenson, K. Herbertl
WR: C. Olave, T. Higgins, B. Aiyuk, N. Collins, Z. Flowers, M. Mims
TE: K. Pitts, D. Njoku
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It 100% was.Shoreline Steamers wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:24 pm Former GM, right... Wonder if such a selection might have been another nail in his now sealed coffin?
But ultimately, with Telesco - it's exceedingly rare to see a GM in the NFL with a decade of tenure, and as little success as he has had in that time - keep their job.
Selecting Herbert clearly bought him time - but it's one of the few bright spots on an otherwise -extremely- middling performance as the Chargers GM.
Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
McCord to Syracuse. You think he could have done better than that. I wonder how much the paid up for him. Based on the stuff coming out Columbus, sounds like he was looking for more nil money and the buckeyes weren't willing to pay or guarantee the starting job. So long Kyle.
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Re: Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread
As an OSU fan I wasn't especially disappointed when he transferred. He was fine but that's about all he was. My guess is he would have had a real fight on his hands to get the starting job next season.81- wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:47 am McCord to Syracuse. You think he could have done better than that. I wonder how much the paid up for him. Based on the stuff coming out Columbus, sounds like he was looking for more nil money and the buckeyes weren't willing to pay or guarantee the starting job. So long Kyle.
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