Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

[YouMightDieTryin]

Michael Pittman comes to mind.

Also, Odunze is still an early declare (r)Junior and broke out last year.

I'd also point out we're seeing a lot of late declares succeed recently; Perhaps because the COVID year threw off historical development/scouting curves.

He was draft eligible last year though as a RS Sophomore. Just lazy food for thought vs the 1st Round TE thing. But overall, I think Bowers as a talent and player is more unique than Odunze and higher upside given the position.

Now, Nabers vs Bowers is a legitimate beef.

Gonna need to wait for the combine with Odunze.

If he is legitimately 6’3 216 I’m intrigued.

I feel a Rashod Bateman coming though based on the way he looks on film

How's Bateman fairing so far in the NFL?

[Cameron Giles]

He was draft eligible last year though as a RS Sophomore. Just lazy food for thought vs the 1st Round TE thing. But overall, I think Bowers as a talent and player is more unique than Odunze and higher upside given the position.

Now, Nabers vs Bowers is a legitimate beef.

Gonna need to wait for the combine with Odunze.

If he is legitimately 6’3 216 I’m intrigued.

I feel a Rashod Bateman coming though based on the way he looks on film

How's Bateman fairing so far in the NFL?

More of an injury issue than anything

[Sriracha]

How's Bateman fairing so far in the NFL?

I'm not comparing them as prospects just that Bateman somehow lost two inches and 20lbs at the combine

[Jigga94]

How's Bateman fairing so far in the NFL?

I'm not comparing them as prospects just that Bateman somehow lost two inches and 20lbs at the combine

Doesn't everyone basically?

[nathanq42]

How's Bateman fairing so far in the NFL?

I'm not comparing them as prospects just that Bateman somehow lost two inches and 20lbs at the combine

Doesn't everyone basically?

That feels like a fair bit more than normal. If I had to hazard a guess most of the time it would fall close to an inch in height and 5-15lbs depending on position. 2 inches and 20lbs at WR is massive

[lic217]

Have not done much scouting and digging yet but my results so far based purely on what I have seen.

Player. Ht My quick film grade so far
Polk J 6'2 60
Mitchell A 6'4 55
Legette X 6'3 70
Egbuka E 6'1 75
Odunze R 6'3 77
Coleman K 6'4 79
Franklin T 6'3 80
Thomas B 6'4 85
Nabers M 6'0 95
Harrison M 6'4 98

RB
Allen B 60
Irving B 60
Edwards D 65
Benson T 67
Sanders R 67
Brooks T 70
Estime A 70
Gordon O 75
Brooks J 76
Corum B 77
Lloyd M 77

TE
Bowers. 90

[Cameron Giles]

Have not done much scouting and digging yet but my results so far based purely on what I have seen.

Player. Ht My quick film grade so far
Polk J 6'2 60
Mitchell A 6'4 55
Legette X 6'3 70
Egbuka E 6'1 75
Odunze R 6'3 77
Coleman K 6'4 79
Franklin T 6'3 80
Thomas B 6'4 85
Nabers M 6'0 95
Harrison M 6'4 98

RB
Allen B 60
Irving B 60
Edwards D 65
Benson T 67
Sanders R 67
Brooks T 70
Estime A 70
Gordon O 75
Brooks J 76
Corum B 77
Lloyd M 77

TE
Bowers. 90

Good grades though Allen is the only one I'd bump up.

Just to note Gordon is 2025.

[lic217]

Have not done much scouting and digging yet but my results so far based purely on what I have seen.

Player. Ht My quick film grade so far
Polk J 6'2 60
Mitchell A 6'4 55
Legette X 6'3 70
Egbuka E 6'1 75
Odunze R 6'3 77
Coleman K 6'4 79
Franklin T 6'3 80
Thomas B 6'4 85
Nabers M 6'0 95
Harrison M 6'4 98

RB
Allen B 60
Irving B 60
Edwards D 65
Benson T 67
Sanders R 67
Brooks T 70
Estime A 70
Gordon O 75
Brooks J 76
Corum B 77
Lloyd M 77

TE
Bowers. 90

Good grades though Allen is the only one I'd bump up.

Just to note Gordon is 2025.

Thanks for heads up on Gordon. Loved Allen tape but looks like his speed might be problem. He was my hardest to grade. I don’t care about speed much but I think his might be bad enough for concern.

[Shcritters]

Equally deserving, sure. But is this what’s going on? Bowers and Oduntz are equal prospects? This is news to me…

I think a few of us are starting to get there, yeah. Still ages to go in this whole process. Odunze absolutely passes the smell test on first blush. Maybe dive into him a bit more if you're curious? I'd like to hear your take.

The draft capital is sounding like it's going to be relatively equal, both are being talked up as top-half of the draft sort of guys. Happy to re-evaluate if that changes.

Bowers is an amazing prospect, no doubt. But we have no garuantees that he will come in and demand a target share. He might end up being more Michael Mayer than Sam LaPorta - we just don't know, and it's so team-and-offense specific.

At least with a 1st round WR - there is no illusions as to what they are going to be asked to do. And either they can (Addison) or they can't (QJ). You won't die wondering. (Unless he lands on the Falcons)

To the above… I’ve got Mayer pegged on the McBride track. He’s come in, done fine, but that offense is a disaster, and once the game slows down for him a little and they figure out he’s the clear #2 Mayer’s got great upside. FWIW, I took McBride before Olave last year in a TE Super Prem league… and it appears that has turned out in my favor.

I get it - TEs are a bit of a crapshoot… but Bowers has been on people’s radar since his freshman year. My only concern is if he comes in at 6’3’’ and 230… that’s just a bit undersized. 6’4’’ and 240 (what he’s listed at) and we’re good to go.

[Sriracha]

Equally deserving, sure. But is this what’s going on? Bowers and Oduntz are equal prospects? This is news to me…

I think a few of us are starting to get there, yeah. Still ages to go in this whole process. Odunze absolutely passes the smell test on first blush. Maybe dive into him a bit more if you're curious? I'd like to hear your take.

The draft capital is sounding like it's going to be relatively equal, both are being talked up as top-half of the draft sort of guys. Happy to re-evaluate if that changes.

Bowers is an amazing prospect, no doubt. But we have no garuantees that he will come in and demand a target share. He might end up being more Michael Mayer than Sam LaPorta - we just don't know, and it's so team-and-offense specific.

At least with a 1st round WR - there is no illusions as to what they are going to be asked to do. And either they can (Addison) or they can't (QJ). You won't die wondering. (Unless he lands on the Falcons)

To the above… I’ve got Mayer pegged on the McBride track. He’s come in, done fine, but that offense is a disaster, and once the game slows down for him a little and they figure out he’s the clear #2 Mayer’s got great upside. FWIW, I took McBride before Olave last year in a TE Super Prem league… and it appears that has turned out in my favor.

I get it - TEs are a bit of a crapshoot… but Bowers has been on people’s radar since his freshman year. My only concern is if he comes in at 6’3’’ and 230… that’s just a bit undersized. 6’4’’ and 240 (what he’s listed at) and we’re good to go.

For TEs especially I'd wait on combine numbers before annointing anyone an elite prospect.

That position in particular is very atheltically driven. If Mayers finds fantasy success without it he'll be a massive exception given his bottom percentile athleticism.

FWIW I like Bowers a lot and will take some swings on him in TE++ leagues in the 1st if he falls behind the top 4 (CW, MHJ, Maye, Nabers).

The rest is going to be some hodgepodge of Odunze, Coleman, Jayden who all have the potential to move up a tier if things break right for them; Odunze measures in at 6'3 210+ gets top 12 dc, Jayden goes top 10, Coleman goes top 15 and tests as an elite athlete.

People are in a rush to create tier lists but we're missing a lot of information right now. I dropped Mike Mayers to TE3 after his combine given how important that is to the TE position and both LaPorta and Kincaid have made that look like a good move.

[mild]

People are in a rush to create tier lists but we're missing a lot of information right now. I dropped Mike Mayers to TE3 after his combine given how important that is to the TE position and both LaPorta and Kincaid have made that look like a good move.

I mean, I got nothing better to do... how about you?

My point in citing Mayer would fit McBride too - we're going to get to the end of his rookie year, and in all likelihood all we'll have to go off is some flashes, and the optimism that it can get better. I reckon I could get Mayer for at least the value he was drafted at (early SF 2nd?) if not a lot less right now. That's the point. Let someone else take the risk with their high capital. With how hard TE is to learn - it's far more likely that you'll get an acquire window on that TE in the future than you'll miss the boat because they're an instant hit. Even my beloved Kyle Pitts (or Hockensen, or McBride, or Ferguson, or... take your pick) has shown us - TE is extremely situationally dependant.

Contrast that to the receivers in that same class - JSN, we've had flashes and a lot of sharp owners are acquiring anticipating a situational shift. Addison and Zay, people are thirsty to acquire and look like hits. QJ was hovering around the dumpster until his big week just been, but that will likely prove the highlight of his season with Herbert going on reserve.

The point being the outcomes are far less ambiguous - because either they can get open and be receiving weapons, or they can't. We have far more tangible answers here.

[Shcritters]

Just saying… the Chargers have a need at TE and are likely a top 10 pick team. They also are $34M over the cap going into next year, so this roster could look very different.

MWilliams is likely gone. Allen is great… but is getting old. QJ looks like a bust so far. If Bowers gets drafted there and is tied to Herbert as the 1b option for 5 years… look out.

[tstafford]

People are in a rush to create tier lists but we're missing a lot of information right now. I dropped Mike Mayers to TE3 after his combine given how important that is to the TE position and both LaPorta and Kincaid have made that look like a good move.

I mean, I got nothing better to do... how about you?

My point in citing Mayer would fit McBride too - we're going to get to the end of his rookie year, and in all likelihood all we'll have to go off is some flashes, and the optimism that it can get better. I reckon I could get Mayer for at least the value he was drafted at (early SF 2nd?) if not a lot less right now. That's the point. Let someone else take the risk with their high capital. With how hard TE is to learn - it's far more likely that you'll get an acquire window on that TE in the future than you'll miss the boat because they're an instant hit. Even my beloved Kyle Pitts (or Hockensen, or McBride, or Ferguson, or... take your pick) has shown us - TE is extremely situationally dependant.

Contrast that to the receivers in that same class - JSN, we've had flashes and a lot of sharp owners are acquiring anticipating a situational shift. Addison and Zay, people are thirsty to acquire and look like hits. QJ was hovering around the dumpster until his big week just been, but that will likely prove the highlight of his season with Herbert going on reserve.

The point being the outcomes are far less ambiguous - because either they can get open and be receiving weapons, or they can't. We have far more tangible answers here.

Hard to argue with this. History has not been kind to dynasty managers who burned high draft capital on TE. Last year I was more or less out on Kincaid at his rookie draft cost. LaPorta seemed like a better value in the early/mid 2nd in SF. Turned out he may also just be the better player - but that part is mostly luck. Happy to have Bowers in my TEP/Devy league because he only cost me a mid-2nd two drafts ago.

100% agree on the situation being incredibly important for TE. I don't think we can accurately predict much about Bowers until after the NFL Draft.

The good news for the folks who are out on Bowers is that he's going to go earlier than not in most leagues. Just makes the middle of the first a little bit better for people who aren't interested.

[BabyChark23]

Just saying… the Chargers have a need at TE and are likely a top 10 pick team. They also are $34M over the cap going into next year, so this roster could look very different.

MWilliams is likely gone. Allen is great… but is getting old. QJ looks like a bust so far. If Bowers gets drafted there and is tied to Herbert as the 1b option for 5 years… look out.

I’ve been thinking they probably go with Nabers and lock in an elite WR for Herbert. Would make most sense to me since, as you said, they will probably part ways with Williams and Keenan is old.

[YouMightDieTryin]

This report definitely moves Odunze to #3 for me. Tough grit is always an added bonus.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/101 ... vs-arizona