What Win Now RB can I get for Stroud?

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What Win Now RB can I get for Stroud?

Postby jobiegermano » Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:10 pm

I’m considering another trade that sends Henry+Hopkins for Mahomes, but that will hurt my “win now” chances… so now considering the idea of doing that deal with the expectation I immediately flip Stroud to replace Henry. Small dynasty league with 10 owners and only 10 keepers year over year so tends to be full of super teams and garbage rebuilding teams.

1. Would you consider giving up Stroud after acquiring Mahomes?

2. Assuming over the two deals I’d be giving Henry, Nuk, and Stroud, what kind of RB can I expect to gain? Do you think I could pull an Etienne, Ekeler, or Breece Hall level for him?
Bling Dyna$ty:
10 Owners, Single QB, Non-PPR, TDs = 6
16 Player Roster, 2 Year Taxi Squad
10 Keepers, 2 Round Rookie Draft, 6 Round Supplemental Auction
$100 Combined Auction/FAAB Dollar Base
Lineup: QB, 2xRB, 2xWR, TE, RWT(FLEX), DEF, K


QB: P. Mahomes, B. Mayfield
RB: C. McCaffrey, D. Montgomery, R. Mostert, Jeff Wilson Jr., R. Dowdle, D'Ernest Johnson
WR: D. Moore, P. Nacua, S. Diggs, K. Allen
TE: T. Kelce, I. Likely
K: B. Aubrey
DEF: Browns
IR: N/A
Taxi: N/A

2024 Rookie (Taxi) Picks: 0 x 1st & 0 x 2nd
2024 Auction/FAAB: $100
2025 Rookie (Taxi) Picks: 0 x 1st & 0 x 2nd
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Re: What Win Now RB can I get for Stroud?

Postby Gator Sens » Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:16 pm

I don't think you will get anywhere near that tier in a 10 team 1 QB format. All TD's being worth 6 points jumps up the value of QBs, but I think this is aiming pretty high unless QBs hold big market value. It's really tough to gauge the value league to league but maybe in the Najee Harris range? He is been okay this year. Montgomery on the gamble or James Conner and hope he comes back well?

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Re: What Win Now RB can I get for Stroud?

Postby jobiegermano » Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:28 pm

Gator Sens wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:16 pm Najee Harris
Oooph… as a life long diehard Steelers fan, I’m not even sure I want Najee! lol

QBs are over valued by sellers in this league… BIG TIME, less so by buyers… I put out feelers and the Breece owner laughed at me, I then replied with “What what a Mixon, Javonte, or Ford +?” and haven’t gotten a reply yet.

The Ekeler owner and the Etienne owner are both trade fiends, but still waiting on reply.

Sounds like if any of those hooks set you’d suggest to reel them in tho.
Bling Dyna$ty:
10 Owners, Single QB, Non-PPR, TDs = 6
16 Player Roster, 2 Year Taxi Squad
10 Keepers, 2 Round Rookie Draft, 6 Round Supplemental Auction
$100 Combined Auction/FAAB Dollar Base
Lineup: QB, 2xRB, 2xWR, TE, RWT(FLEX), DEF, K


QB: P. Mahomes, B. Mayfield
RB: C. McCaffrey, D. Montgomery, R. Mostert, Jeff Wilson Jr., R. Dowdle, D'Ernest Johnson
WR: D. Moore, P. Nacua, S. Diggs, K. Allen
TE: T. Kelce, I. Likely
K: B. Aubrey
DEF: Browns
IR: N/A
Taxi: N/A

2024 Rookie (Taxi) Picks: 0 x 1st & 0 x 2nd
2024 Auction/FAAB: $100
2025 Rookie (Taxi) Picks: 0 x 1st & 0 x 2nd
2025 Auction/FAAB: $100
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Re: What Win Now RB can I get for Stroud?

Postby Gator Sens » Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:32 pm

jobiegermano wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:28 pm
Gator Sens wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:16 pm Najee Harris
Oooph… as a life long diehard Steelers fan, I’m not even sure I want Najee! lol

QBs are over valued by sellers in this league… BIG TIME, less so by buyers… I put out feelers and the Breece owner laughed at me, I then replied with “What what a Mixon, Javonte, or Ford +?” and haven’t gotten a reply yet.

The Ekeler owner and the Etienne owner are both trade fiends, but still waiting on reply.

Sounds like if any of those hooks set you’d suggest to reel them in tho.
I hear you on Harris. Hopefully you end up finding a good option.

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Re: What Win Now RB can I get for Stroud?

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:14 pm

You are overvaluing Stroud in a small 1qb league, imo. He is probably a mid 2nd value
TEAM 1 - 12 man SF. ppr, TEP 1.65 ppr

11 starters - QB, RB(2) WR(3) TE, SF, Flex(3)

Stroud, Kyler, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Minshew, Trey Lance, Dalton l, Mike White

Breece, Achane, AJ Dillon, Justice Hill, Evan Hull, Chris Rodgriquez

Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Olave, London Drake, Demario Davis, Jake Bobo

Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Kincaid, Schoonmaker

24 picks - 1x2, 3,4,5

Team 2-
12 man SF, .25ppc, .5ppr rbs, 1 ppr wr, 1.5 ppr TE

Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawerence, Jake Haehner, Jake Browning

JT, Kendre Miller,, K Ingram, Ty Chandler, Michael Carter, Kenny Macintosh, Sean Tucker

Puka, Rondale, Mooney, Wan’dale, Terrace Marshall, DPJ, Justyn Ross, Xavier Hutchinson,

Kyle Pitts, Luke Musgrave, Juwan Johnson, Darnell Washington, Jelani Woods, Elijah Higgins


24 - 1st x 3, 2nd x 2, 4th x 3 ,5

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Re: What Win Now RB can I get for Stroud?

Postby M-Dub » Fri Nov 10, 2023 1:39 am

jobiegermano wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:28 pm
Gator Sens wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:16 pm Najee Harris
Oooph… as a life long diehard Steelers fan, I’m not even sure I want Najee! lol

QBs are over valued by sellers in this league… BIG TIME, less so by buyers… I put out feelers and the Breece owner laughed at me, I then replied with “What what a Mixon, Javonte, or Ford +?” and haven’t gotten a reply yet.

The Ekeler owner and the Etienne owner are both trade fiends, but still waiting on reply.

Sounds like if any of those hooks set you’d suggest to reel them in tho.
I mean, sorry for being harsh, but that’s a laughable offer for Breece Hall, so he was entirely justified in laughing at you. It seems like your valuations are pretty out of whack. In a 10-team, 1QB 10-keeper league, studs rule.

Look at it like this: you’d obviously trade Henry + Nuk for Breece if you could, right? And probably for Etienne too? If so, then you’re essentially trying to sell Stroud at a Mahomes-level price.

Someone like Montgomery, Mixon or Jones is probably a more realistic target, and even then it’d probably have to be a rebuilding team.
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QB: Hurts, Howell
RB: Mixon, Jones, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Roschon, Dowdle, Kelley
WR: Nuk, Godwin, Cooper, Lockett, Flowers, Chark, Collins, Hollins, Tillman, Tolbert
TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
Taxi: Willis, Z. White, M. Mims, T. Palmer

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$450 cap, 60 contract years

QB: Lawrence $5/3, Richardson $5/5, Minshew $1/0, Jones $1/0, Heinicke $1/0, Tyrod $1/0
RB: Achane $4/4, Warren $2/4, Roschon $7/5, Dillon $4/1, Hubbard $2/1, Kelley $1/0
WR: Nuk $78/1, MT $25/1, M. Williams $1/0, JSN $21/5, Reed $4/5, Rice $4/5, M. Wilson $2/5
TE: Thomas $1/0, Hill $1/0, Parham $1/0

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Re: What Win Now RB can I get for Stroud?

Postby tstafford » Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:07 am

SteveMaddensShoes wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:14 pm You are overvaluing Stroud in a small 1qb league, imo. He is probably a mid 2nd value
This.

One for one RB, I think you're looking at Monty, B.Robinson (WAS), Najee, Mixon range of guys. Even that may be hard to get because I suspect most owners already have a serviceable QB. I'd need to feel like Stroud was a big upgrade over my current option to move one of those guys unless I was already done for the season.

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Re: What Win Now RB can I get for Stroud?

Postby TheTroll » Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:51 am

SteveMaddensShoes wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:14 pm You are overvaluing Stroud in a small 1qb league, imo. He is probably a mid 2nd value
For sure this. While SF would be a completely different conversation, Stroud is just a dude among many other dudes. There isn’t much difference between the output of QB 5-12 points wise. This means studs rule at the other positions. And you are not even sniffing one of them dangling Stroud as bait.
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Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def

QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE

Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker

Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex

QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert

Taxi: Willis, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Demercado, Vaughn

Picks
2024: 1.08, 2.02
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
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Re: What Win Now RB can I get for Stroud?

Postby jobiegermano » Fri Nov 10, 2023 10:05 am

Gator Sens wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:16 pm I don't think you will get anywhere near that tier in a 10 team 1 QB format.
Oh my, so scared! Big trades make me nervous! So he sent the following offer:

Give: King Henry + Nuk + Stroud
Get: Mahomes + Mostart

Thoughts?

I should start a new thread I think.
Bling Dyna$ty:
10 Owners, Single QB, Non-PPR, TDs = 6
16 Player Roster, 2 Year Taxi Squad
10 Keepers, 2 Round Rookie Draft, 6 Round Supplemental Auction
$100 Combined Auction/FAAB Dollar Base
Lineup: QB, 2xRB, 2xWR, TE, RWT(FLEX), DEF, K


QB: P. Mahomes, B. Mayfield
RB: C. McCaffrey, D. Montgomery, R. Mostert, Jeff Wilson Jr., R. Dowdle, D'Ernest Johnson
WR: D. Moore, P. Nacua, S. Diggs, K. Allen
TE: T. Kelce, I. Likely
K: B. Aubrey
DEF: Browns
IR: N/A
Taxi: N/A

2024 Rookie (Taxi) Picks: 0 x 1st & 0 x 2nd
2024 Auction/FAAB: $100
2025 Rookie (Taxi) Picks: 0 x 1st & 0 x 2nd
2025 Auction/FAAB: $100
2026 Rookie (Taxi) Picks: 1 x 1st & 1 x 2nd
2026 Auction/FAAB: $100

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Re: What Win Now RB can I get for Stroud?

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Fri Nov 10, 2023 11:02 am

jobiegermano wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 10:05 am
Gator Sens wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:16 pm I don't think you will get anywhere near that tier in a 10 team 1 QB format.
Oh my, so scared! Big trades make me nervous! So he sent the following offer:

Give: King Henry + Nuk + Stroud
Get: Mahomes + Mostart

Thoughts?

I should start a new thread I think.
What’s the meaning of your replay? Sounds condescending.
TEAM 1 - 12 man SF. ppr, TEP 1.65 ppr

11 starters - QB, RB(2) WR(3) TE, SF, Flex(3)

Stroud, Kyler, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Minshew, Trey Lance, Dalton l, Mike White

Breece, Achane, AJ Dillon, Justice Hill, Evan Hull, Chris Rodgriquez

Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Olave, London Drake, Demario Davis, Jake Bobo

Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Kincaid, Schoonmaker

24 picks - 1x2, 3,4,5

Team 2-
12 man SF, .25ppc, .5ppr rbs, 1 ppr wr, 1.5 ppr TE

Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawerence, Jake Haehner, Jake Browning

JT, Kendre Miller,, K Ingram, Ty Chandler, Michael Carter, Kenny Macintosh, Sean Tucker

Puka, Rondale, Mooney, Wan’dale, Terrace Marshall, DPJ, Justyn Ross, Xavier Hutchinson,

Kyle Pitts, Luke Musgrave, Juwan Johnson, Darnell Washington, Jelani Woods, Elijah Higgins


24 - 1st x 3, 2nd x 2, 4th x 3 ,5

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Re: What Win Now RB can I get for Stroud?

Postby jobiegermano » Fri Nov 10, 2023 11:14 am

SteveMaddensShoes wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 11:02 am
jobiegermano wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 10:05 am
Gator Sens wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:16 pm I don't think you will get anywhere near that tier in a 10 team 1 QB format.
Oh my, so scared! Big trades make me nervous! So he sent the following offer:

Give: King Henry + Nuk + Stroud
Get: Mahomes + Mostart

Thoughts?

I should start a new thread I think.
What’s the meaning of your replay? Sounds condescending.
Oh my no! I in no way meant to be condescending! I was actually feeling stupid because it clear from other offers that I’m overvaluing Stroud (to be fair my league mates tend to all overvalue the QBs they own) so when I got an official offer that included Mostert I got nervous because I assumed the others here would advise I accept it and I get nervous selling off big players like Henry. Year to date Mostert is the #2 scoring RB in my league, but with his injury history and with Achane coming back, I just get nervous I’m going to screw up my chances to win it all.

I honestly don’t know how to value Mostert right now and need help.

I also didn’t seem to be clear, when offering those trades of Stroud for an RB, I meant as a base starting point. With each owner I asked what would need added to Stroud but I realize I never said that here clearly. For the Etienne owner, I’m waiting to hear, but I offered Stroud+R1 or 2xR1s or Mostert+R1+R2

I didn’t mean to be condescending, honestly.
Bling Dyna$ty:
10 Owners, Single QB, Non-PPR, TDs = 6
16 Player Roster, 2 Year Taxi Squad
10 Keepers, 2 Round Rookie Draft, 6 Round Supplemental Auction
$100 Combined Auction/FAAB Dollar Base
Lineup: QB, 2xRB, 2xWR, TE, RWT(FLEX), DEF, K


QB: P. Mahomes, B. Mayfield
RB: C. McCaffrey, D. Montgomery, R. Mostert, Jeff Wilson Jr., R. Dowdle, D'Ernest Johnson
WR: D. Moore, P. Nacua, S. Diggs, K. Allen
TE: T. Kelce, I. Likely
K: B. Aubrey
DEF: Browns
IR: N/A
Taxi: N/A

2024 Rookie (Taxi) Picks: 0 x 1st & 0 x 2nd
2024 Auction/FAAB: $100
2025 Rookie (Taxi) Picks: 0 x 1st & 0 x 2nd
2025 Auction/FAAB: $100
2026 Rookie (Taxi) Picks: 1 x 1st & 1 x 2nd
2026 Auction/FAAB: $100

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Re: What Win Now RB can I get for Stroud?

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Fri Nov 10, 2023 1:16 pm

jobiegermano wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 11:14 am
SteveMaddensShoes wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 11:02 am
jobiegermano wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 10:05 am

Oh my, so scared! Big trades make me nervous! So he sent the following offer:

Give: King Henry + Nuk + Stroud
Get: Mahomes + Mostart

Thoughts?

I should start a new thread I think.
What’s the meaning of your replay? Sounds condescending.
Oh my no! I in no way meant to be condescending! I was actually feeling stupid because it clear from other offers that I’m overvaluing Stroud (to be fair my league mates tend to all overvalue the QBs they own) so when I got an official offer that included Mostert I got nervous because I assumed the others here would advise I accept it and I get nervous selling off big players like Henry. Year to date Mostert is the #2 scoring RB in my league, but with his injury history and with Achane coming back, I just get nervous I’m going to screw up my chances to win it all.

I honestly don’t know how to value Mostert right now and need help.

I also didn’t seem to be clear, when offering those trades of Stroud for an RB, I meant as a base starting point. With each owner I asked what would need added to Stroud but I realize I never said that here clearly. For the Etienne owner, I’m waiting to hear, but I offered Stroud+R1 or 2xR1s or Mostert+R1+R2

I didn’t mean to be condescending, honestly.

No worries, I was just trying to interpret the tone and it’l can be damn near impossible online. Haha

Mostert just got sold cheap in one of my leagues. For Kyren Williams and 50% BB money. He then spent it all on Keaton Mitchell. So effectively it was Kyren and Keaton for Mostert.
TEAM 1 - 12 man SF. ppr, TEP 1.65 ppr

11 starters - QB, RB(2) WR(3) TE, SF, Flex(3)

Stroud, Kyler, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Minshew, Trey Lance, Dalton l, Mike White

Breece, Achane, AJ Dillon, Justice Hill, Evan Hull, Chris Rodgriquez

Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Olave, London Drake, Demario Davis, Jake Bobo

Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Kincaid, Schoonmaker

24 picks - 1x2, 3,4,5

Team 2-
12 man SF, .25ppc, .5ppr rbs, 1 ppr wr, 1.5 ppr TE

Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawerence, Jake Haehner, Jake Browning

JT, Kendre Miller,, K Ingram, Ty Chandler, Michael Carter, Kenny Macintosh, Sean Tucker

Puka, Rondale, Mooney, Wan’dale, Terrace Marshall, DPJ, Justyn Ross, Xavier Hutchinson,

Kyle Pitts, Luke Musgrave, Juwan Johnson, Darnell Washington, Jelani Woods, Elijah Higgins


24 - 1st x 3, 2nd x 2, 4th x 3 ,5


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