Where are we ranking stroud now?

[Anteaters]

As someone who traded away Herbert ( and AJ Dillon technically) earlier this year for Stroud and 2 firsts (1QB), I am pleased to hear this.

That's going to look like highway robbery in a few months. Wow, what a great trade for you!!

Why in a few months?
Haven't you already declared Stroud > Herbert?

Yeah, I already know Stroud>Herbert. My comment was more about how I think the consensus will catch up to me in a few months and agree that trade was great for ThirdWW.

In having these 1:1 comparisons, I always feel I have to add a disclaimer. Just because I think it's clear that Stroud>Herbert, does not mean I think Herbert is a bad QB. There's no shame piled on Herbert if I have him as my #6 or #7 (fantasy) QB. That's a high ranking and the only people who should be upset about it are Herbert's parents and wife.

[Sriracha]

These takes are going to be filled with recency bias.. but I'd put him in whatever tier you have Burrow in with higher upside. He's doing all of this with a rookie WR and a 3rd year guy that many left for dead. If he ever gets a WR like Chase.. we could see some records be broken.

Him and Herbert are probably in the same tier rather than one being higher than the other. Both have insane accuracy and while Herbert's arm strength is on another level Stroud's certainly doesn't limit him in any way.

[tstafford]

Not to hijack this, but why are people still so high on T.Law? I see several folks have him ahead of Stroud and Tua. That makes no sense to me.

T.Law has one of the best sets of weapons around him (Ridley, Kirk, Engram, ETN, etc.) and has done squat. He's QB17 on the season. Are we still waiting for a breakout? Or are we happy with 18 PPG from a first round SF start-up pick?

[CGW]

Not to hijack this, but why are people still so high on T.Law? I see several folks have him ahead of Stroud and Tua. That makes no sense to me.

T.Law has one of the best sets of weapons around him (Ridley, Kirk, Engram, ETN, etc.) and has done squat. He's QB17 on the season. Are we still waiting for a breakout? Or are we happy with 18 PPG from a first round SF start-up pick?

Lawrence already broke out last year, throwing for over 4,100yards, 25TDs and only 8INT (that's Pro Bowl worthy) as a 23 year old. He was QB6 in my leagues in 2022.

And it's not always about the box score. The Jags won the division last year and probably will this year after being the worst in the league over the previous two year span. They have a good RB, decent TE, and they've got two good #2 WRs but I'd love to see them pair Lawrence with a true alpha #1 and see what happens.

Anyway, not arguing he should be top 5, but he's definitely in top 10 discussion after completely turning a franchise around. It's a slow start for one season of his likely 10-15 year career. Plenty to like about Lawrence.

[Jigga94]

Not to hijack this, but why are people still so high on T.Law? I see several folks have him ahead of Stroud and Tua. That makes no sense to me.

T.Law has one of the best sets of weapons around him (Ridley, Kirk, Engram, ETN, etc.) and has done squat. He's QB17 on the season. Are we still waiting for a breakout? Or are we happy with 18 PPG from a first round SF start-up pick?

Lawrence already broke out last year, throwing for over 4,100yards, 25TDs and only 8INT (that's Pro Bowl worthy) as a 23 year old. He was QB6 in my leagues in 2022.

And it's not always about the box score. The Jags won the division last year and probably will this year after being the worst in the league over the previous two year span. They have a good RB, decent TE, and they've got two good #2 WRs but I'd love to see them pair Lawrence with a true alpha #1 and see what happens.

Anyway, not arguing he should be top 5, but he's definitely in top 10 discussion after completely turning a franchise around. It's a slow start for one season of his likely 10-15 year career. Plenty to like about Lawrence.

Yup, definitely still top 10 for me as well. He is basically on that same pace again this year with a little bit of positive TD luck. I don't think he will continue to only throw 1 per game. They are winning games though and middle of the pack in Pass Att. If they started losing/trailing more, I would expect to see that tick up considerably.

[tstafford]

Top-10 for T.Law is one thing, but in this thread folks have him above the likes of Stroud, Herbert, Lamar and Tua.

[CGW]

Top-10 for T.Law is one thing, but in this thread folks have him above the likes of Stroud, Herbert, Lamar and Tua.

I honestly don't see anything egregious in this thread. Seems like all I'm seeing is that TLaw is in that 6-10 tier, which is very fair. There's really a clear 5 for me. Beyond Mahommes, Herbert, Allen, Burrow, Hurts there's an argument for the next 6-8 QBs. Could Stroud be 6th? Absolutely, his start as a rookie is amazing. Could Tlaw be 6th? Sure, he's actually already finished an entire season as the QB6 in his short career. Could Lamar be 6th? Yep, hard to ignore his upside. Could Tua be 6th? I think so, judging by his pace last year when healthy and this year (league leading yards, TDs, and passer rating). Hell, could Murray be 6th? I could see an argument if you look beyond his mental makeup and look just at fantasy stats.

[SteveMaddensShoes]

I’ve got him high but regression will hit unless he is an improved Aaron Rodgers.

Baker Mayfield had thrown 2100+ yards and gone 20/8 td/int halfway through his rookie season. He was such a hot a commodity at that point with many paying up to get him. I think CJ is better, but it’s tough to rank halfway through a rookie season. I do think he will end up top 10 but top 3-5 is a little aggressive for me.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Not to hijack this, but why are people still so high on T.Law? I see several folks have him ahead of Stroud and Tua. That makes no sense to me.

T.Law has one of the best sets of weapons around him (Ridley, Kirk, Engram, ETN, etc.) and has done squat. He's QB17 on the season. Are we still waiting for a breakout? Or are we happy with 18 PPG from a first round SF start-up pick?

He’s playing really well actually, it’s just his td rate is low. Receivers have a lot of drops as well. And let’s not crown engram and Kirk, the teams that drafted them said sayonara, and they’ve had the best seasons of their career in Jacksonville, with Lawrence throwing them the ball. Ridley is a buffoon that was out of football for what, nearly 2 years?

[KingsKing]

Not to hijack this, but why are people still so high on T.Law? I see several folks have him ahead of Stroud and Tua. That makes no sense to me.

T.Law has one of the best sets of weapons around him (Ridley, Kirk, Engram, ETN, etc.) and has done squat. He's QB17 on the season. Are we still waiting for a breakout? Or are we happy with 18 PPG from a first round SF start-up pick?

Been a bit unlucky this year with TD regression , his rushing yards are on pace for over 500 and set to pass for over 4000 easily but a bit unlucky with just 9 tds total . Few more tds and he is a top 7-8 ppg qb

[lukkynumber13]

Not to hijack this, but why are people still so high on T.Law? I see several folks have him ahead of Stroud and Tua. That makes no sense to me.

T.Law has one of the best sets of weapons around him (Ridley, Kirk, Engram, ETN, etc.) and has done squat. He's QB17 on the season. Are we still waiting for a breakout? Or are we happy with 18 PPG from a first round SF start-up pick?

He’s playing really well actually, it’s just his td rate is low. Receivers have a lot of drops as well. And let’s not crown engram and Kirk, the teams that drafted them said sayonara, and they’ve had the best seasons of their career in Jacksonville, with Lawrence throwing them the ball. Ridley is a buffoon that was out of football for what, nearly 2 years?

And if people haven’t been actually watching jaguar games, they might not realize what a conservative offense the Jaguars are running. It’s a lot of dink & dunk, and of course a lot of running.